PVP....Wow...

I have PvP'd in a lot of games.

But I have to say that this game has the WORST PvP I have ever seen.

Hands down the worst, I played 5 games and I will NEVER touch wolves den ever again.




First off, there are no diminishing returns. You can be stunned to death, slept for 30 seconds.....

Sprint is just laughable. Basically like someone shoved a rocket up your backside and you take off warping into walls.




I seriously have no other words to describe PvP in this game other than "The worst offense to Player vs Player since Aion".


That isn't a good place to be either.


wow....just wow.........

I haven't tried it yet, but if it is anything like the pvp in most MMOs, I only find it fun if I don't take it seriously.

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Originally Posted by Nictuswolf

First off, there are no diminishing returns. You can be stunned to death, slept for 30 seconds.....

Sprint is just laughable. Basically like someone shoved a rocket up your backside and you take off warping into walls.

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Diminishing returns means the more you use something, the less it gives you in relation to the first time you used it. PvP in FFXIV has this. You can be slept for 30 seconds, then the next time you get slept it's only for 15 (or so, I don't know the numbers off hand) and then 5 seconds, and then no seconds.

But being slept can be countered by abilities like purify, which cure you of all detrimental status effects and can be used regardless of whether or not you're slept. Fetter ward is also helpful for countering this if you're a melee DPS, it prevents status debuffs, like a vaccine rather than a cure. Along these lines there are also sleep ward potions.

Sprint can be a tricky one to deal with, but it can be countered by debuffing your opponent with heavy or by hitting them with weapon's throw, which is a PvP ability that removes the opponent's sprint effect. There are also strategies you can employ...like ignoring the guy you can't catch and attack someone who you can :P

PvP is rough and has a high learning curve, but it can be fun if you keep trying and learn the tips and tricks.

PvP in this game is amazingly rich & well-balanced actually.

The PvP-exclusive abilities that are unique to each class are extremely well designed too.

WellFooled is right in that the learning curve is steep... the reward is great however.

It takes some time to learn how to beat the cheese-tactics but it's honestly not difficult (don't let BLM's freely cast sleep, it's a simple solution).

And they're just that, cheese-tactics... experienced players know how to crush them & further experienced players know other methods of play/more advanced tactics that otherwise trump them.

Baby steps.. remove SPRINT!

The one place in the game where it can be an advantage to go as your class.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

don't let BLM's freely cast sleep, it's a simple solution.

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Exactly. Just punch them, or keep them moving. It's that easy. If you're a healer, you can remove sleep. If I'm not mistaken Hawk's Eye ignores their Equanimity, allowing you to interrupt. Plenty of ways to counter this.

I don't understand the complaints about sprint, either. It'd be a great quality of life adjustment for TP users, but casters would be completely dysfunctional. We have cast times, and they're interrupted by any damage. We need a tool to put some distance between us, occasionally. I would never queue as healer again knowing I'm just going to be helplessly zerged down, praying that the other healer dies first. That's not fun.

@OP, you can't just try a couple matches and decide PvP sucks. Knee-jerk posts like yours scare people away from an already small PvP community. Especially when you fill them with hyperbole and misinformation.

PvP in this game does kind of feel like an afterthought. Though I'm sure they will continue to make it better.

I hate the PvP in this, I've done it a few times on a tank healer and DD, but it just feels like a game of tag not a duel.

One major thing I think is an issue is that tanks can't tank, if they changed it so abilities with increase enmity instead cause the opponent's target to switch to the user and provoke to cause the enemy to be locked onto the target for a set duration I think it would really go a long way to fix it.

Tanks would be able to be a nuisance that the other team will want to kill first so they stop screwing with them, which would bring both teams together to see who can tank better who can heal better and who can DD faster. rather than running around in circles playing catch the healer!

I sincerely doubt they'll ever invest a great deal of attention to pvp for this game. For one particular and simple reason.

It's not a PvP focused game, the 3 main city-states are not truly against each other, they're unified for the threat of the Garlean Empire and also the Primal Threat/Ascians.

It's a PvE focused game. The only reason PvP even exists at all is because the developers know that a large amount of people who play MMOs enjoy PvP and they need to try to make as many people happy as possible. But still, it's a low priority type of thing - even if/when they release the Battleground thing, which will be large scale battles, don't expect it to rival that of like GW2 WvWvW, or anything even remotely similar on the market. GW2, etc are games which cater more to the PvP minded player base and are consistently feeding their resources into making it better and interesting. XIV is just simply not that type of game and (hopefully) never will be.

Being a healer in pvp is so scary lol. I finally found a perfect use for my 6k hp and that is pvp.
If i put up sacred prism ( enhanced to 30 secs ) and stand in there with divine sealed regen and sometimes medica 2 i'm untouchable in a sense lol.
I use sure cast then just spam stone skin. For some reason even their wholmgang and other stunny stuff gets negated, i believe it's cuz of the stoneskin as it absorbs dmg and is an 18% shield of my 6k hp.
So technically u need to deal around 1050 dmg to break my shield but during tht time i will be reapplying stoneskin over and over and over till the tanks / dps switch targets lol. If that fails for a bit i pop attunement then aura fluid on tank after.
I'll spec my other points into pvp vit so hopefully i'll get around 6.5-7k hp.
It's all about survival now i think..?

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Originally Posted by Akujin

I sincerely doubt they'll ever invest a great deal of attention to pvp for this game. For one particular and simple reason.

It's not a PvP focused game, the 3 main city-states are not truly against each other, they're unified for the threat of the Garlean Empire and also the Primal Threat/Ascians.

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2.3 is looking to change that. Here is the new scenario, World was almost destroyed by Bahamut. The Garlean Empire threat stopped and the nations struggling to survive, it's only a matter of time before they turn on each other, a fact the Ascian are looking to exploit. Hence Frontlines.

Did one PVP match. My first one last night. It was rather enjoyable actually. That being said, I know PVP can get bogged down some times. I hope there are work arounds to this.

Wouldn't it be good just to give people a break stun PVP skill? Hell, put it on a 5 minute GCD. At least it would give you one stun break. And this would be much harder for casting classes. I was playing as a Bard. Feels like Bards have an advantage in PVP. I could be wrong though. Not experienced enough.

lol half the time it isnt even PVP. its PVB, as in Player vs. Bot

>.> Thing I hate about PvP are the massive walls they have in the arena. Blm? Smn? Nope, people just run behind it, screwing you over. If I remember right, the trailer back during it's release didn't show the walls, so it's kind of a let down when you go in as one of those jobs only to find out they have them lol

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

2.3 is looking to change that. Here is the new scenario, World was almost destroyed by Bahamut. The Garlean Empire threat stopped and the nations struggling to survive, it's only a matter of time before they turn on each other, a fact the Ascian are looking to exploit. Hence Frontlines.

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Actually from what I understand 'Frontlines' is much like the Wolves Den lore-wise - it's combat training. The three nations are not going to war against each other (as that violates the pledge the three leaders made at the end of Operation Archon, to uphold the alliance and that the Grand Companies would be eventually united under one banner) - the whole point of the Grand Companies and the Alliance is for that very reason after all, so that the nations would not end up fighting one another while the Garleans invade.

Basically Frontlines is just a training exercise - a large scale one to be sure, but training none the less. Think of it like wargames rather than actual war.

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Originally Posted by Nictuswolf

Hands down the worst, I played 5 games and I will NEVER touch wolves den ever again.

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Someone got owned.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

>.> Thing I hate about PvP are the massive walls they have in the arena. Blm? Smn? Nope, people just run behind it, screwing you over. If I remember right, the trailer back during it's release didn't show the walls, so it's kind of a let down when you go in as one of those jobs only to find out they have them lol

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And what about sprint? Casters can use sprint freely while melee have to spend all of their tp in order to attempt to catch up.

It's SE, did we really expect them to be good at PvP, I guess you never experience ballista in FF11 OP.

Wellfooled and Gesser pretty much made a simple point about PvP. All these complaints on how unbalanced a particular class/job is, only exist in low ranks (this will be fixed in a coming update where you immediately get all the skills), where people are still working out on how PvP actually works. Once you get more experience, and get more PvP skills, you'll see how balanced and how steep the learning curve is, the fun factor is subjective to each individual, but for me, who is only rank 14, while I know I'm not as experienced as the others, I can definitely see how PvP just keeps getting better and better as you rank up.

5 matches isn't enough to judge PvP, I'd say even 100 matches isn't enough to judge PvP, especially if you're only after the wolf marks for glamours. PvP can be a lot of fun, but only if you work hard for it, for some, getting to rank 40 is gonna be a grind, but for me, it's just a trophy you get, for working hard and having fun along the way.

On a side note, you might want to do level 40 pvp first, else you'll get destroyed by rank 30+ (don't know if they changed it yet, haven't bothered to look lmao)

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Originally Posted by Decrith

5 matches isn't enough to judge PvP, I'd say even 100 matches isn't enough to judge PvP, especially if you're only after the wolf marks for glamours.

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Why would it take over 100 matches to judge how bad pvp is when other mmos you know right away if it's good or not? The fact that less than one percent of the population even pvps and that no one that I know of does it at all should be a good indicator that it's terrible.

PvP in the game IS pretty good. But the main problem is that as a newcomer you have to be farmed in order to get skills that will make you usefull :/

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Originally Posted by Doo

Why would it take over 100 matches to judge how bad pvp is when other mmos you know right away if it's good or not? The fact that less than one percent of the population even pvps and that no one that I know of does it at all should be a good indicator that it's terrible.

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That might simply be down to apathy though. I for one don't care about PvP, so I don't play PvP. I can't speak for how balanced or imbalanced it is simply because I've never once set foot in the arena. I doubt I'm alone either. There's probably others who simply look at PvP with indifference and don't really consider it worth their time.

That so few PvP might not be an indication that it's bad, but just that people don't care. Either way it baffles me that they're releasing Frontlines given how empty PvP seems to be.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

That so few PvP might not be an indication that it's bad, but just that people don't care. Either way it baffles me that they're releasing Frontlines given how empty PvP seems to be.

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Oh I know there're many players that don't care for pvp at all but the players that I know that do enjoy pvp from other mmos are not even doing it at all. You should still see pvp groups setup once in awhile on PF and shouts for a more pvp focus ls/fc once in awhile. On my server at least no one ever mentions pvp at all.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Oh I know there's many players that don't care for pvp at all but the players that I know that do enjoy pvp from other mmos are not even doing it at all. You should still see pvp groups setup once in awhile on PF and shouts for a more pvp focus ls/fc once in awhile.

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I've played dozens of PvP-oriented games, but I think that's really the point. This game isn't very PvP centric. Games like DC Universe Online, World of Warcraft or Perfect World have PvP at their core gameplay. Even Guild Wars 2 has a huge PvP core to its gameplay, despite the central game revolving around PvE.

FFXI was PvE, FFXIV is PvE. It's going to be hard to coax players into it without PvE rewards.

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Originally Posted by MagicJohnson

And what about sprint? Casters can use sprint freely while melee have to spend all of their tp in order to attempt to catch up.

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>.> None of what I said was about running from melee, it was about how they can easily interrupt your casting by simply stepping to the side behind a huge wall, plus theres ways around mages running.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

FFXI was PvE, FFXIV is PvE. It's going to be hard to coax players into it without PvE rewards.

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So like if pvp was good in this game, do you think there would be more buzz around it even though it's just an afterthought?

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

>.> None of what I said was about running from melee, it was about how they can easily interrupt your casting by simply stepping to the side behind a huge wall, plus theres ways around mages running.

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Oh no there isn't, at least not for a tank lol :C. I was doing some PvP today and I simply couldn't touch the healer. He popped his sprint and got so far away that by the time I catched up, he used it again. I know this isn't WoW, but if you're a healer there and a warrior decides to charge you while you're alone... I feel fucking ridiculous running around as a Paladin trying to catch the healer, sprint should be something everyone could use in every situation, or consume all of the casters mana :p.

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Originally Posted by MagicJohnson

He popped his sprint and got so far away that by the time I catched up, he used it again

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Run the opposite direction :P Now before you say, they could too. Someone else in your pt could do the same, cut them off, maybe try stunning as they go by. Then again, with how people in mmos are these days, no one cares about teamwork, only me me me lol

But...Aion was the only PvP that I LIKED >.>

The PvP system from Ragnarok Online is amazing. :3

I honestly wish the PvP was good, but after being a hardcore PvPer in other games I simply cannot like it here. It's nothing in comparison. The GCD just kills it for me and it's "growing pains" (aka the time it's taking to improve) is... extremely slow, as expected.

Another issue is I'm one of those fans of open world PvP, which I doubt will ever happen in FF14.

what do you guys expect? pvp in MMO's is usually pretty terrible anyways. i have yet to PVP in an MMO that was actually balanced and legit. then theres the MMO pvp community.... "OMG IM SO LEET I JUST WALL HACK TELEPORT KILLED YOUR NOOB ASS ROFLPWNED BITCH"

ya, ill pass

on the topic of FFXIV pvp specifically, i got to r6 and realized it was joke even by MMO standards

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

2.3 is looking to change that. Here is the new scenario, World was almost destroyed by Bahamut. The Garlean Empire threat stopped and the nations struggling to survive, it's only a matter of time before they turn on each other, a fact the Ascian are looking to exploit. Hence Frontlines.

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Actually, I see Frontlines as more like Military Exercises to get large groups of players together, each representing themselves, their FC's or their GC's and working on strategies that will hopefully help them in future wars against the Empire. No actual tension between the 3 City-States themselves, but going into it full tilt to get the most potential scenarios that could potentially occur in an actual war. Going along that same thought - it'd be kinda cool if they included some iconic NPCs for these Frontline battles as well.

Such as, let's say, if they make it so a GC takes particular interest over the the field, then maybe at some point you can actually go head to head against the Leaders of the GCs themselves.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

I use sure cast then just spam stone skin. For some reason even their wholmgang and other stunny stuff gets negated, i believe it's cuz of the stoneskin as it absorbs dmg and is an 18%

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Kassiekane Ravenheart uses One Ilm Punch.
>You take 368 damage.
>You lose the effect of Stoneskin.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

...tank-y healing...

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