did FF14 fail because they used FF11 as a "beta"

many people have said over and over again that ff11 was always being seen to see what works and not so they can implement it on ff14 "better". but the main flaw thier is that for FF11 they got a niche crowd and then went for the casual gamer for FF14 so what they ultimatly did was test something on the niche players if they liked it, it looked like a good idea and then implemented it into ff14
i know im confusing but this might be y it failed so hard

What exactly from FFXI did they implement in FFXIV? I thought it was well-established that FFXIV "failed" because it tried to distance itself from FFXI as much as possible.

You say this like ffxiv is exactly the same as 11, which it is nowhere near, yes you can see similaralities but there are similarities between all ff games, just like any game franchise, with your logic ff1 must have been a "beta" for the rest of the series because alot of other ff games are based around saving the world, and saving the crystals.

just a few things from 11 (they rly dont have much so this is actually most of the game :|)
leves are just spammable BCNM's with worse rewards
behest is just an hourly campagin
same crafting jobs
same "job" concept just more freedom with it
outpost teleports ect ect

If you are really going to make those kinds of stretches to create similarities between XIV and XI, then all MMOs ever created are exactly alike.

Not really, it failed because it didn't even transfer over the basics, let alone what was transferred wasn't fully incorporated properly.

If it resembled XI on the basics of levels it would have done a lot better.

Here's what actually were the "testing" items, which when you get down to it only one of them actually made its way into this game:

Grounds/Fields of Valor = Guildleves

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Originally Posted by danny52844

just a few things from 11 (they rly dont have much so this is actually most of the game :|)
leves are just spammable BCNM's with worse rewards
behest is just an hourly campagin
same crafting jobs
same "job" concept just more freedom with it
outpost teleports ect ect

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leves arent BCNMs because they arent battlefields, they arent designed to get items there designed for sp.

Behest is about killing all mobs, not defending somwhere, I know the lore is to defend the camp, but if you dont do em mobs dont coverge on the camp. Oh and behest is every 30 mins now, been that way for a few months.

There arent more crafting jobs, ffxi had the same jobs and most of ff 1-6, so were they all a beta for ffxi?

The class system is completly differant, if this is the same, that means ffxi has the same job system as ffv because you could equip abilities from other jobs.

Teleport is a big thing in the ff series, most of them have it, older ones its just to get out of dungeons, then later on it goes on to the exact same as ffxi outpost teleport.

Appart from races you need somthing that is exactly the same as ffxi to say ffxi was a "beta" for 14.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

leves arent BCNMs because they arent battlefields, they arent designed to get items there designed for sp.

Behest is about killing all mobs, not defending somwhere, I know the lore is to defend the camp, but if you dont do em mobs dont coverge on the camp. Oh and behest is every 30 mins now, been that way for a few months.

There arent more crafting jobs, ffxi had the same jobs and most of ff 1-6, so were they all a beta for ffxi?

The class system is completly differant, if this is the same, that means ffxi has the same job system as ffv because you could equip abilities from other jobs.

Teleport is a big thing in the ff series, most of them have it, older ones its just to get out of dungeons, then later on it goes on to the exact same as ffxi outpost teleport.

Appart from races you need somthing that is exactly the same as ffxi to say ffxi was a "beta" for 14.

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what a bcnm is get this thing go somewhere kill these get reward
what a leve is get this leve go to a camp kill these things get reward

what behest is go to this camp monsters specificly for who signed up are spawned and u kill them
what campaign is go to this camp monsters spawn and go to the camp kill them

meh on crafting maybe unavoidable copypasta

FF11 jobs level this job get skills be able to use some of those skills on another job
FF14 jobs level this weapon get skills you can use any skill on any other weapon

any real diff? u cant get anally retentive just the basic idea

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Originally Posted by danny52844

what a bcnm is get this thing go somewhere kill these get reward
what a leve is get this leve go to a camp kill these things get reward

what behest is go to this camp monsters specificly for who signed up are spawned and u kill them
what campaign is go to this camp monsters spawn and go to the camp kill them

meh on crafting maybe unavoidable copypasta

FF11 jobs level this job get skills be able to use some of those skills on another job
FF14 jobs level this weapon get skills you can use any skill on any other weapon

any real diff? u cant get anally retentive just the basic idea

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Leves are the same as FoV/GoV, not BCNMs, and if they were instanced battlefields have been in loads of games.

With campaign its all about defend the outpost or we loose influance, they are part of the WotG story, kind of, behest is not linked with anything and there are no consiquences if you dont do em, dynamis is go to these markings, go in if you have a glass and kill things, is that the same as campaign or behest?

As I said in ffv you can level this job and use skills on another job, does that mean before the internet on the SNES that was a "beta" for the ffxi job system, as you say they are the same.

Its basic ideas that have been in other ff games and what have been in other mmos, most mmos have a go to this place and kill things kind of content.

By your logic all ff games are "betas" for ffxiv, even the NES and SNES ones.

The job system has been in all ff games to some extent, even if its not visible, its there.

I rly don lik se cuz tey make bigg phail n I ned 2 no y. ffxi is beta is ffxiv so y u no XD?

FOV= Guildleves behest= Wing of the godness where you go and sign up and you get attack by mobs. SE team said while working on ffxiv they use a lot of stuff they thought that ffxi players may like so it took them time to find a way to make it work with ffxi system and a few idea did come from it and became leves and behests sadly tanaka did not have time to show the rest of his version which i think would have been great but now we never know.

yoshi-p is making this game more for casual and pointing it at wow players with the new interviews i been reading.

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FOV= Guildleves behest= Wing of the godness where you go and sign up and you get attack by mobs. SE team said while working on ffxiv they use a lot of stuff they thought that ffxi players may like so it took them time to find a way to make it work with ffxi system and a few idea did come from it and became leves and behests sadly tanaka did not have time to show the rest of his version which i think would have been great but now we never know.

yoshi-p is making this game more for casual and pointing it at wow players with the new interviews i been reading.

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If it was the "best of ffxi" it wouldnt have failed, while leves are the same as FoV/GoV and from the point of view of somone who doesnt care about lore behest is similar to campaign, it wouldnt have failed as badly because its things the ffxi crowd are used to, alot of people quit cos of no content yet they would FoV and campaign all day with no complaints. and some others quit because its not enough like ffxi.

Leves and behest dont make ffxi a beta for 14, because its 2 things out of many.

Finally Yoshi-P doesnt want to make the game more casual, his view now is casual during the week (when people are working and dont have much time to play) and hardcore during the weekend when people have more time to play. Tanaka wanted to make the game more casual with leves the main way to get SP with the cooldown time, and with fategue which are both going to change in the next few patches

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Originally Posted by danny52844

just a few things from 11 (they rly dont have much so this is actually most of the game :|)
leves are just spammable BCNM's with worse rewards
behest is just an hourly campagin
same crafting jobs
same "job" concept just more freedom with it
outpost teleports ect ect

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behest is 30 min last i played >.>
Leves are more like fov pages

have you actually played ff14 OR ff11?

Final Fantasy 14 failed?

This is news to me.

AND THIS IS SEWIOUS.

WE GOT TO HEWP HERRRR.

dis 4um haz so many bad threadz u shud call it a cosbee sweater lolz

wow, was the OP really thinking people will agree with the rant?

My initial thoughts on FF14 when i first started and such:

Behest = Garrison/Campaign
Guildleves = Fields of Valor with BCNM-esque feeling/timer slapped on
Crafting = Upgraded Synergy
Gathering = It's own thing, but with VNM system slapped on.
Task Board & NPC (!) Icons = FF12~
Riding the boat = FF11 (other than not being able to physically board it).
Story progression & CS's = FF11~ but not as seemingly stale & stuck to the ground

Xiv took a nose dive at launch because they didn't just kick it out on stage unprepared. the poor thing was wrapped in a towel still dripping wet from the shower it was snatched out of, to add to this train wreck it did not know half of its lines and knew bugger all about the scenes it was going to perform.

Ok i think i have stretched that metaphor to its limits.

XIV is nothing like XI. Did you recently get lobotomized or did you only play FFXI for ten minutes? The only similarities are the races, the rest of your comparisons don't even make any sense unless you strip each element down into extremely vague terms.

Even if XIV was similar, which it isn't, FFXI was not exactly "niche". At its peak during ToAU it reached 1 million subs and it stayed fairly consistently at 500,000+ for years and years. When it comes to MMOs, that is very successful.

no it failed because of the anti social players

It failed for a lot of reasons.

Sincerely?

I don't give a sh*t.
You don't give a f*ck.
We don't give a F*ck.

What we have to know is: It has rushed out, been released when it was at the embyro state. Why that happened is not what we gamers care, and we aren't some CSI, FBI, Gossip lurkers or whatever.

This thread is mindless. Not only is FFXIV far away from FFXI. But its nowhere even near what FFXI should have led a developer to. It just lacks. Please stop FFXI bashing.

Some parts of XI were specifically being created with XIV in mind, like Abyssea and the crystals you had to go to are aetherytes and such. Guildleves are FOV mixed with the flexibilty of MMM. These aren't stretches. I think it isn't because FFXI had concepts from XIV tested on them, I think this game failed because their main market was always gonna be those niche gamers and they alienated them.

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Some parts of XI were specifically being created with XIV in mind, like Abyssea and the crystals you had to go to are aetherytes and such. Guildleves are FOV mixed with the flexibilty of MMM. These aren't stretches. I think it isn't because FFXI had concepts from XIV tested on them, I think this game failed because their main market was always gonna be those niche gamers and they alienated them.

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Another popular thing i see from usual MMO gamers is the infamous: "If i wanted to play WoW, then i'd play WoW", anytime another MMO tries to copy/paste too much. The same is true with FF14 & FF11.
IDK about you, but virtually no one i knew in FF11 moved over to FF14, lol.

have you ever seen a man eat his own head?

The games has thus far failed to attract large numbers of players because they built it around stopping RMT rather than making an enjoyable gaming experience. Every single system in place at launch seemed to be designed to do nothing but slow people down.

*stares at the random group of clone lalafells sitting at horizon @ R43*

Yeah, that worked well....

I thought 14 failed cause they put tanaka in charge 0.0

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Originally Posted by Kimowar

no it failed because of the anti social players

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You should probably shout this opinion in ul'dah . . . oh wait . . .

biggest fail thread evar /facepalm

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

What exactly from FFXI did they implement in FFXIV? I thought it was well-established that FFXIV "failed" because it tried to distance itself from FFXI as much as possible.

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I agree completely and people saying that is just them showing their ignorance towards XI.

You know all those awesome features XI has? OP yeah well XIV has none of them.

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Originally Posted by Greencactaur

I thought 14 failed cause they put tanaka in charge 0.0

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That's just what they wanted you to believe.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

What exactly from FFXI did they implement in FFXIV? I thought it was well-established that FFXIV "failed" because it tried to distance itself from FFXI as much as possible.

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xiv failed because they designed the game around what they didn't want players doing rather than actually making a good game.