Where is the social part

Ok so the game have be out for quite a few months(almost a year) but what happened to the social part of MMO`s ?
I have been a member of quite a few guilds(FC`s) but it`s always the same doesn`t matter how many people are on it`s always dead silent, rarely anyone ever says anything in guild chat( the same on the Linkshells).
Even the bigger FC that I have been a part of that normally have 20/30 on you hardly see anyone speak.
I remember a few years ago when you log on even if you were part of a small guild with 15 member total everyone was always talking about something not to mention the bigger ones which was totally crazy since you hardly could follow the conversation.
Is it because the games changed or was it the time ?

It sounds more like your just in the wrong FC, one I'm in is extremely social and even when just a few on the chat is hard to keep up with sometimes.

It's not exactly the game, it's the FCs you've been in.

Is it possible that no one is talking because the majority just happen to be on a TS/Mumble server?

I know my FC is usually quiet in game because we all tend to just speak to each other rather then type anything out.

Answer is: VoIP
Also this isn't FFXI, were everything is slow enough for you to type as things are happening.
Also take into consideration that it is harder for those that use controllers to text chat.

So if you aren't willing to compromise and find a way to communicate with other players than you are just as much in fault.

The social part relies on you. You have to make an effort to be social in modern MMOs these days. But, it also sounds like your FC is either all in TS or everyone is just antisocial and you need to find a new FC.

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Originally Posted by Codek

Is it possible that no one is talking because the majority just happen to be on a TS/Mumble server?

I know my FC is usually quiet in game because we all tend to just speak to each other rather then type anything out.

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100% this! most of the FC is usually on mumble talking and we always encourage others to jojn us from the FC! some don't like too and like to keep to themselves

My FC has a moderate amount of in-game chat, but 90% of our communication while we are playing FFXIV comes from voice chat via Skype. So if someone were to be outside looking in, it would probably seem we were being silent too.


EDIT: Sorry, didn't see that the post above mine pretty well said the exact same thing as I did. :P

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Originally Posted by Ryuki

Ok so the game have be out for quite a few months(almost a year) but what happened to the social part of MMO`s ?
I have been a member of quite a few guilds(FC`s) but it`s always the same doesn`t matter how many people are on it`s always dead silent, rarely anyone ever says anything in guild chat( the same on the Linkshells).
Even the bigger FC that I have been a part of that normally have 20/30 on you hardly see anyone speak.
I remember a few years ago when you log on even if you were part of a small guild with 15 member total everyone was always talking about something not to mention the bigger ones which was totally crazy since you hardly could follow the conversation.
Is it because the games changed or was it the time ?

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It's the community, don't worry. VOIP or not, they have their silly cliques. Hard to get in unless you perform some kind of outdated ritual. I've been in so many FCs already I can pretty much call myself a FC adventurer.

See that's the problem, if you don't invest social wise into an FC and hop, how can you ever become part of that community, people that FC hop all the time I don't give the time of day, because I know they are they type that when they need help, they have to have it now or they will leave.

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

See that's the problem, if you don't invest social wise into an FC and hop, how can you ever become part of that community, people that FC hop all the time I don't give the time of day, because I know they are they type that when they need help, they have to have it now or they will leave.

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Like 3 months + and realize it was a waste of time? I don't give the time of the day when people have FC fetishes.

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

Like 3 months + and realize it was a waste of time? I don't give the time of the day when people have FC fetishes.

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Seems more your in the wrong FCs then, I've been in a total of 2, first one disbanded after FC leader quit the game and rest went to other FCs, and my current one which I absolutely love, their was no weird clique on rituals , everyone just got on, sure some people are close friends and acquaintances with others, but that's same as real life, their will always be some you get on better with than orhers

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

It's the community, don't worry. VOIP or not, they have their silly cliques. Hard to get in unless you perform some kind of outdated ritual. I've been in so many FCs already I can pretty much call myself a FC adventurer.

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Maybe the problem is you not the FC's?
See, the way i went around it was get a couple linkshells but not join any random FC.
I waited a bit and see if any gave me that "that group is something for me" feeling. One did a month after i started playing. I made a application and now it feels like a second home.

Joining one of those ingame recruitment fc's is more then likely going to bite you back later.

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Originally Posted by Codek

Is it possible that no one is talking because the majority just happen to be on a TS/Mumble server?

I know my FC is usually quiet in game because we all tend to just speak to each other rather then type anything out.

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same here. tho more ppl in my fc speak in fc chat. all have access to that.
some of us, like me, do not want to talk to ppl on vent for whatever reason i may have.
i hate feeling forced or outside my comfort zone. my fc doesnt do that but encourages me..i may someday. ^^;
also, this game is not very social friendly.
you have to be a in a fc coz most things do not require any talking in the game lol. u can essentially
run all content w/o talking. im very picky with fcs but i think i found my home one.
you just gotta hop around a bit and find one that suits you. :eek:

Awww, OP needs friends.

Yes, hop into VOIP and talk to all the teenagers.. stoners.. or kids talking slowly and acting like stoners....

Be careful what you wish for....

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Maybe the problem is you not the FC's?
See, the way i went around it was get a couple linkshells but not join any random FC.
I waited a bit and see if any gave me that "that group is something for me" feeling. One did a month after i started playing. I made a application and now it feels like a second home.

Joining one of those ingame recruitment fc's is more then likely going to bite you back later.

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Or maybe is this community? Never had these problems in my previous MMOs (Ragnarok Online, Everquest, Maple Story, etc.)

It's partly to blame on how mmos are made mostly for casual people lately, so more people end up joining, which results in a lot of people who have never played a mmo before or are used to single player games. A lot of people these days play mmos as single player games that just happen to have people :/

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

See that's the problem, if you don't invest social wise into an FC and hop, how can you ever become part of that community, people that FC hop all the time I don't give the time of day, because I know they are they type that when they need help, they have to have it now or they will leave.

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Those types of people bug me :/ I've had a few who go "My old FC never talked" or something and they join mine. Well, mines a bit of a small/medium and it can get quiet, but we do talk a bunch. Yet the person who claimed their FC never talked, makes it sound like they want to join in conversations, yet they stay dead silent, then one day they're just gone.

Honestly, I've never been in a FC(or guild) that uses voice chat primarily. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people in any FC/guild I've ever been in has been people that DON'T want to use voice chat. Maybe it's because I tend to stick to roleplay guild, but that's been my findings.

In the end, you need to look for and find a guild that actually has a community and family feel to it. There's so many that just throw out random invites to people to bolster their membership numbers and couldn't care less about you. If you can't find one, make on yourself. Especially if you aren't doing roleplay or something to that effect that requires much more commitment.

Build a FC and advertise it as a place for the people that want a little family of friends to hang out with. You shouldn't have much trouble finding people. From there it's just a matter of making the group be the way you want. Be talkative, cheerful, and make a point to get to know everyone!

Definitely sounds like you are in the wrong FC.

My FC is very talkative and social c:

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Answer is: VoIP
Also this isn't FFXI, were everything is slow enough for you to type as things are happening.
Also take into consideration that it is harder for those that use controllers to text chat.

So if you aren't willing to compromise and find a way to communicate with other players than you are just as much in fault.

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yar. typing sucks. our chat channels are usually dead as well cause we're all gabbin' away in the TS.

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Originally Posted by cearka

yar. typing sucks. our chat channels are usually dead as well cause we're all gabbin' away in the TS.

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how hard is it to get a keyboard lol.
[this is to gormogon i cant find his post for some reason]

I noticed you're on Balmung, Ryuki. Give USH a look. Very large, social, and active.

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@OP I'm sorry but you remind me of someone from the FC last night complaining how we were ignoring him/her.
you see, I do my best to pay attention to people in chat but when you're questing and all, then passing by zones where the channels are busy (esp with gold sellers) you do tend to miss stuff.
and I think it's inconsiderate to demand the FC to pay attention to everyone all the time, when there's always something to do in-game all the time, given that FFXIV is not like those old Korean MMOs *coughROcough* which are glamorized chat programs, because nobody plays it and people just go online to chat!
I think the social aspect of FFXIV:ARR as an MMO is not completely gone, it's just different. having played MMOs for 11 years I dare say the community I've encountered here is definitely unlike the gaming communities of the days of yore.
basically, in this game almost everyone has had an MMO/multiplayer background and/or is pretty much experienced with RPGs, and chose to play this game because of a) the franchise or b) the genre it belongs in. I don't think gamers play MMOs to look for friends anymore (or expect to make friends, but rather enemies) as there are now social media sites to cater to that need.
so what I'm trying to say is, just don't take it personally. as others have advised, go look for an FC that suits you (maybe when they say friendly, hopefully it's because most of them are online just to chat), and always consider that people on the other line have different personalities, interests, and use of their time so it might take more effort on your part.

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Originally Posted by duvvvv

@OP I'm sorry but you remind me of someone from the FC last night complaining how we were ignoring him/her.
you see, I do my best to pay attention to people in chat but when you're questing and all, then passing by zones where the channels are busy (esp with gold sellers) you do tend to miss stuff.
and I think it's inconsiderate to demand the FC to pay attention to everyone all the time, when there's always something to do in-game all the time, given that FFXIV is not like those old Korean MMOs *coughROcough* which are glamorized chat programs, because nobody plays it and people just go online to chat!
I think the social aspect of FFXIV:ARR as an MMO is not completely gone, it's just different. having played MMOs for 11 years I dare say the community I've encountered here is definitely unlike the gaming communities of the days of yore.
basically, in this game almost everyone has had an MMO/multiplayer background and/or is pretty much experienced with RPGs, and chose to play this game because of a) the franchise or b) the genre it belongs in. I don't think gamers play MMOs to look for friends anymore (or expect to make friends, but rather enemies) as there are now social media sites to cater to that need.
so what I'm trying to say is, just don't take it personally. as others have advised, go look for an FC that suits you (maybe when they say friendly, hopefully it's because most of them are online just to chat), and always consider that people on the other line have different personalities, interests, and use of their time so it might take more effort on your part.

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^^^ Very accurate. True open socializing online is a thing of the past. The days when AIM/AOL chatrooms were still well-known or participated in. These days, with online play being as widely available as it is, people often play online games with the same mentality as one would to play an offline one. It's such a common thing that we don't need to experience it as though it were new. The majority of long term or frequent socializing occurs between cliques or existing close-knit relationships. There are many people online who do still want to randomly socialize, but they're just among the sea of players just mentioned.

It is never anyone's responsibility to make friends but your own.

as ps3 user its so hard to talk by my controller in a dungeon to give direction or tips leave aline starting a conversation or follow one kinda more tiring , even if I tried I find my self taking way much time typing where people in fc/ls moved to another subject so I have to delet that long stuf that I wrote, even after I bought a keyboard it didnt change much b/c I have to get up of my chair to the keyboard to type then back again .

So ya that maybe b/c pc and ps3 players play togther or maybe its only me .

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Originally Posted by duvvvv

@OP I'm sorry but you remind me of someone from the FC last night complaining how we were ignoring him/her.
you see, I do my best to pay attention to people in chat but when you're questing and all, then passing by zones where the channels are busy (esp with gold sellers) you do tend to miss stuff.
and I think it's inconsiderate to demand the FC to pay attention to everyone all the time, when there's always something to do in-game all the time, given that FFXIV is not like those old Korean MMOs *coughROcough* which are glamorized chat programs, because nobody plays it and people just go online to chat!
I think the social aspect of FFXIV:ARR as an MMO is not completely gone, it's just different. having played MMOs for 11 years I dare say the community I've encountered here is definitely unlike the gaming communities of the days of yore.
basically, in this game almost everyone has had an MMO/multiplayer background and/or is pretty much experienced with RPGs, and chose to play this game because of a) the franchise or b) the genre it belongs in. I don't think gamers play MMOs to look for friends anymore (or expect to make friends, but rather enemies) as there are now social media sites to cater to that need.
so what I'm trying to say is, just don't take it personally. as others have advised, go look for an FC that suits you (maybe when they say friendly, hopefully it's because most of them are online just to chat), and always consider that people on the other line have different personalities, interests, and use of their time so it might take more effort on your part.

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^Pretty much this. MMOs in earlier times still kept well within their MUD predecessor traditions of just being glorified online chat rooms with some fighting in it - times have changed though and there are far more ways to meet people online than through an online game. The emphasis now is on the 'game' side rather than simply the 'online multiplayer' aspect.

Because when the social aspect overbalances the equation, gameplay suffers as a result (FFXI is an example of this - it's well known how FFXI was virtually designed to require multiple players as a party to accomplish anything in that game, even to level grind, which although players hated the actual grind aspect, enjoyed it simply because it was a form of socializing, they got to meet other players and chat with them - helped by FFXI's abysmally slow battle system. It was virtually a gaming equivalent of chatting with schoolmates or coworkers in a school or workplace setting - if given the chance most people would be elsewhere but being there was helped by the social aspect.).

The fact is though, using a game purely to socialize isn't everyone's ideal way of playing the game as there are now better means of talking to people online (Facebook, Twitter, Skype etc). But you can still definitely socialize within the game via FCs and lses, as Duvvv said, you just have to not expect random people who come together in a DF party now to resemble a 'dooms' party from FFXI and start chatting about random stuff while you fight Titan EX - players now are focused on the task ahead to care about socializing.

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Originally Posted by Moriix

maybe its only me .

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It is. You just need to invest in a wireless keyboard, or change your setup so you can reach it more readily. The problems you listed are only experienced by people with no keyboards, or people who didn't account for how far away their PS3 is from their chair.