New Class/Job Suggestion List -- Please Critique

FFXIV:ARR SUGGESTED JOBS


DISCLAIMER1: I designed this with how I believe these Classes/Jobs 'should' be implemented (not necessarily how they will be, e.g. no Corsair/Thief)
DISCLAIMER2: all Job prerequisites & Cross-Classes are equally represented


Archer (ARC)
Musketeer – MSK (30 ARC, 15 SBL), X-Class = THM, #supportdps #ranged #hybrid #debuffer #dex
Bard – BRD (30 ARC, 15 PGL), X-Class = LNC, #supportdps #ranged #physical #buffer

Gladiator (GLD)
Mystic Knight – MYK (30 GLD, 15 ACN), X-Class = SBL, #tank #melee #hybrid #buffer #debuffer #str/pie*
Paladin – PLD (30 GLD, 15 CNJ), X-Class = MRD, #tank #melee #physical #buffer

Lancer (LNC)
Soldier – SLD (30 LNC, 15 GLD), X-Class = ARC, #dps #melee/ranged #physical #str/dex*
Dragoon – DRG (30 LNC, 15 MRD), X-Class = PGL

Marauder (MRD)
Dark Knight – DRK (30 MRD, 15 LNC), X-Class = SBL, #dps #melee #hybrid #str/int*
Warrior – WAR (30 MRD, 15 GLD), X-Class = PGL

Pugilist (PGL)
Ninja – NJA (30 PGL, 15 ARC), X-Class = MRD, #dps #melee #physical #str/skillspeed
Monk – MNK (30 PGL, 15 LNC), X-Class = GLD

Arcanist (ACN)
Summoner – SMN (30 ACN, 15 THM), , X-Class = ARC
Scholar – SCH (30 ACN, 15 CNJ) , X-Class = THM

Conjurer (CNJ)
Time Mage – TMM (30 CNJ, 15 THM), X-Class = SBL, #healer #ranged #magical #buffer #int/skillspeed
White Mage – WHM (30 CNJ, 15 ACN), X-Class = THM

Thaumaturge (THM)
Red Mage – RDM (30 THM, 15 SBL), X-Class = ACN, #supportdps #melee/ranged #hybrid #debuffer #str/int*
Black Mage – BLM (30 THM, 15 ARC), X-Class = ACN

Spellblade (SBL)
Blue Mage – BLU (30 SBL, 15 PGL), X-Class = CNJ, #supportdps #melee #hybrid #buffer #str/mind*
Samurai – SMR (30 SBL, 15 MRD), X-Class = LNC, #tank #melee #physical #str/parry


*features unique stat-scaling (e.g. strength increased by 30% of intelligence, etc.)

Musketeer is supposed to be a class not a job last I checked.

Tbh, they should just get rid of the class/job system and just have a flat class type system. All classes should be equally playable, more choices are available to people and the notion of "classes are always weaker than jobs" will fly through the window. Future classes can also be easily implemented because there would not be any 2nd class prerequisites.

Gladiator and Paladin are both tanks for example. But Gladiator tanks focus more on the physical side and Paladin tanks combine magical attributes and the like.
Arcanists can focus on the dots. And summoners can actually be summoners.
Lancers can focus on the art of the spear. Dragoons can utilize spears but not as well as Lancers but they can use tamed abilities like Lightning breath.
Pugilists can be the melee that focuses on enhancing their strength and sharpness. Monks can be masters of human body and can perform intricate but deadly abilties.
So on, and so on.

As it stands now, when you get to a job, the classes are forgotten. Shame that those classes are badasses on previous FF series like Gladiator in Tactics advance, one my favourite to play with their elemental blades and the like. But somehow, they managed to turn them to tanks!

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

Musketeer is supposed to be a class not a job last I checked.

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Read Disclaimer 1 please.

For more context, I cut out Corsair/Thief as from a design perspective... they would seem to be too redundant and unnecessary.

Just as a Marauder might find favor with a Great Sword & forsake it's axe... I figure so too could a Pugilist or an Archer exchange arms.

Spellblade, in my opinion, is far more suitable to the game in terms of cross-classing & opening up meaningful job paths.

...Why is Red Mage coming from Thaumaturge? Since when did Samurai have anything at all to do with magic, even sword magic? Musketeers use pistols, not bows. Lolsoldier. Dark Knight should really go to Gladiator, give it a DPS option. Marauder could get something like Viking instead for its DPS option. Conjuror should really get Geomancer rather than Time Mage, which should go to Thaumaturge.

I do like the idea of Ninja coming out of Pugilist, though.

Soldier with a spear ? Even with disclaimer #1, I can't agree. I love their little swords and their rock throws

Right here's mine judging from what we've already seen in 1.0 and 2.2 through speculation.

Assassin
Ninja - Damage dealer using critical hits and backstabs to inflict damage with some spell-like abilities.
Thief - Damage dealer with quick agility who can shift enmity around and cause more damage working with party members (FFXI example).

Marauder
Warrior - tanky tanktank
Beastmaster - Damage dealer who fights alongside beasts to deal damage. These pets are tamed in the open-world and then summoned later into battle. The role of the "pet" during a fight depends on the type of beast tamed. The pet's moveset can be based off the moveset that the monster originally had when fighting it normally. [In case you're wondering, Beastmaster was alluded to back in 1.0. There exists a group of women in Ishgard who have the ability to tame wild beasts.]

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

...Why is Red Mage coming from Thaumaturge? Since when did Samurai have anything at all to do with magic, even sword magic? Musketeers use pistols, not bows. Lolsoldier. Dark Knight should really go to Gladiator, give it a DPS option. Marauder could get something like Viking instead for its DPS option. Conjuror should really get Geomancer rather than Time Mage, which should go to Thaumaturge.

I do like the idea of Ninja coming out of Pugilist, though.

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About right on all accounts. Its nice to dream something, but some things are just not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

...Why is Red Mage coming from Thaumaturge? Since when did Samurai have anything at all to do with magic, even sword magic? Musketeers use pistols, not bows. Lolsoldier. Dark Knight should really go to Gladiator, give it a DPS option. Marauder could get something like Viking instead for its DPS option. Conjuror should really get Geomancer rather than Time Mage, which should go to Thaumaturge.

I do like the idea of Ninja coming out of Pugilist, though.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Soldier with a spear ? Even with disclaimer #1, I can't agree. I love their little swords and their rock throws

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

About right on all accounts. Its nice to dream something, but some things are just not going to happen.

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For more context, I cut out Corsair/Thief as from a design perspective... they would seem to be too redundant and unnecessary.

Just as a Marauder might find favor with a Great Sword & forsake it's axe... I figure so too could a Pugilist or an Archer exchange arms.

Spellblade, in my opinion, is far more suitable to the game in terms of cross-classing & opening up meaningful job paths.

How can you like Ninja coming out of Pugilist if PGL doesn't use daggers but criticize a weapon switch for ARC->MSK & so forth. P.S. I didn't mention it but Soldier would use a Gunblade.

Let me give better descriptions...

For Samurai - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Samurai_(Tactics)

For Dark Knight, why can’t a Marauder choose to wield a different heavy blade & gain some magical prowess… and Dark Knight should NOT go to Gladiator, it’s not a sword-and-board Job, ever.

For Soldier, they are often depicted as highly acrobat, it’s a literal part of their fighting style so they most naturally come from Dragoon if they’re to be in the game at all (which I think this game deserves a Gunblade class). It’s a small stretch ultimately.

For Conjurer/Time Mage… that’s your opinion & that’s cool, but telling me their ‘should’ in regard to my rendition… that’s just pompous, haha sorry man.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

For more context, I cut out Corsair/Thief as from a design perspective... they would seem to be too redundant and unnecessary.

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Unfortunately, SE/Yoshida disagrees that THF would be redundant from a design perspective. Not only does the new storyline hint at it coming in, Yoshida even said that THF was one of the first new jobs he wanted to bring in, along with things jobs like Red Mage, Blue Mage and Samurai.

RE: Archer -> Musketeer; it's unlikely that will be case, even if you don't think so and are basing this on your own thoughts of what should be (all subjective) and not what is likely/speculative (a mix of subjective and objective). Archer will likely go into Ranger, which would be a pure DPS branch from Archer, and Bard will continue to become more and more support/dps hybrid as the level cap increases. Now, I'd be quite happy seeing Ranger be a pet type class, and that would work quite well.

That, or further the field/trap based abilities like Flaming Arrow.
Musketeer, however, is a class, and can be seen as such because it has it's own guild in the Coral Tower (which is now also home to the Marauders).

How weapons will come into things, I have no idea. But I'd expect a gunblade type class/job to come out of Garlemald, as part of an expansion that goes into the heart of the Empire. The technology of a gun/weapon hybrid seems very much theirs.

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Originally Posted by Themis

Unfortunately, SE/Yoshida disagrees that THF would be redundant from a design perspective. Not only does the new storyline hint at it coming in, Yoshida even said that THF was one of the first new jobs he wanted to bring in, along with things jobs like Red Mage, Blue Mage and Samurai.

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Read Disclaimer 1...

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Originally Posted by Erana

Right here's mine judging from what we've already seen in 1.0 and 2.2 through speculation.

Marauder
Warrior - tanky tanktank
Beastmaster - Damage dealer who fights alongside beasts to deal damage. These pets are tamed in the open-world and then summoned later into battle. The role of the "pet" during a fight depends on the type of beast tamed. The pet's moveset can be based off the moveset that the monster originally had when fighting it normally. [In case you're wondering, Beastmaster was alluded to back in 1.0. There exists a group of women in Ishgard who have the ability to tame wild beasts.]

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Bring on Beastmaster i think it was one of the best jobs in FFXI.

I've got an idea for new jobs people can play. It's called a "Tank" type class, maybe 2 of them. One can be "Paladin", a sword and board, enmity generating, high mitigation job. Another one I call "Warrior", an axe wielding MRD class that is awesome "tanking" multiple adds at a time, high DPS and high HP. I bet DF que-up times would dramatically decrease if these jobs were leveled.

Please look forward to it.

Offer me any sword dps class and i'll bite your hand off basically.

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Originally Posted by Rizzo_

Offer me any sword dps class and i'll bite your hand off basically.

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Positive thing... or? Haha. Well, between Katana & multiple spellswords you'd be set.

I suppose I just don't see the point of having a base-class for Jobs like Corsair or Ninja.

You have perfectly good base templates for them already... and Jobs will further distinguish themselves come their release as Yoshida has gone on record to say the level-cap will be increased upon Job Releases.

PGL>NJA seems to be a perfect fit... you can give Ninja their mechanics through Job-specific Abilities.

ARC>MSK as well... why recreate the wheel when you can just enhance the archetype of a ranged damage-dealer.

From a design-perspective, redundancies will occur... too many base-classes will just water down the uniqueness & create massive gear-bloat.

For every single new Class, if they stick with the current iteration, they'd need to implement 2-3 Jobs each... a Relic for each, and Job-specific gear for each.

Whereas you could cut the fat & implement just Ninja, just Musketeer (no Corsair, no Thief) and put those additional resources to better use.

Also, as far as Musketeers & weapons are concerned... you could permit the class to equip a 2h Rifle or dual 1h Pistols, just as how a CNJ & THM can equip 1h/shield or 2h.

These forums topics being done to death.

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Originally Posted by Beetle

These forums topics being done to death.

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Please provide something constructive if you're going to post.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Positive thing... or? Haha. Well, between Katana & multiple spellswords you'd be set.

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Haha yes it's a positive. I was a bit disappointed when there was no sword DPS class. I think the game would have benefited more if you could make any class play any role you want. Like sword being a dps, spear being a tank and so on. I think the classes are quite limited, maybe it's just me.

Huh, guess I was mistaken when I thought you would be willing to let other people express their opinions. Oh well.

Also, why I dislike Musketeer coming from Archer but don't mind Ninja from Pugilist: I must've missed the bit where you said that if you were in charge of class/job design you'd be giving extra weapon types to each class and job. I was going off the idea that Musketeers have nothing to do with Bows, but it's perfectly reasonable to believe that a Ninja could have extensive training in unarmed combat.

Anyway, guess I'll be avoiding this topic from now on...

Feel free to critique him, unless you disagree, then disclaimer.

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Huh, guess I was mistaken when I thought you would be willing to let other people express their opinions. Oh well.

Also, why I dislike Musketeer coming from Archer but don't mind Ninja from Pugilist: I must've missed the bit where you said that if you were in charge of class/job design you'd be giving extra weapon types to each class and job. I was going off the idea that Musketeers have nothing to do with Bows, but it's perfectly reasonable to believe that a Ninja could have extensive training in unarmed combat.

Anyway, guess I'll be avoiding this topic from now on...

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Nah... It's more having to do with your written style. Phrases like "lolsoldier" & beginning a critique with "..." as well as saying an ideation 'should be' as your opinion suggests comes off as both condescending and pompous.

My iPhone won't let me edit my post for character limit changing... so here is the rest of my reply:

"You're welcome to critique me, but to insult me as your written form would imply... it appears disrespectful & has the feeling of rudeness. While this may not have been your intent, I reiterate that is has the appearance of having been so."

Personally I have been thinking about this alot

There's a handful of jobs that would fit the game but if i was to take into the next expansion into account of being the theme of "1000 year old war"

DoL - Archaeologist - Surveying for ancient items such as ancient metal etc

But the jobs i would like to see make an entrance really soon is Blue Mage and Ninja and Corsair
Ninja i would like to be able to switch between DPS class and Tank class as this would be a great way to play the game that allows us to have the diversity that we want between our class.
I suppose the same could apply to Blue mage as some people would enjoy tanking or DPS or Healing on that job and it also's a great way how the spells we learn could have Blue mage spells tied to that specific role and how gears could be changed between the roles we wanna undertake.
Cos that what i kinda hate about FF14, there's no flexibility between our roles for some jobs

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Read Disclaimer 1 please.

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This is a critique to a suggestion right? It would be like saying geomancer job should be based on the lancer class. Not going to happen. So here was an honest critique.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

This is a critique to a suggestion right? It would be like saying geomancer job should be based on the lancer class. Not going to happen. So here was an honest critique.

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Read Disclaimer 1... honestly there's no critique in telling a person 'not gonna happen', you haven't reviewed my idea(s) at all. There's a difference between critiquing and being a naysayer just for the sake of it.

Anyone have good ideas for another tank and healer job?

.....Ok, I can't say any constructive aside of that more classes and job will be welcome and that.... I... I want a double yielding class, damn it! and pugilist/monk doesn't count...

First thing that attracted me of gladiator was that the symbol was like two swords crossed, so I thought it would be a cool user of two swords but no....Why there are no classes/jobs wearing two swords? Or two weapons at all. If at least it would be compensated with .... Oh, wait, yes...

Add a tank Samurai, with a cool katana, maybe, only, possibly, who knows, that way.... We would see more tanks in the game, I'd surely try it, I don't mind tanking even with PLD...

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

I've got an idea for new jobs people can play. It's called a "Tank" type class, maybe 2 of them. One can be "Paladin", a sword and board, enmity generating, high mitigation job. Another one I call "Warrior", an axe wielding MRD class that is awesome "tanking" multiple adds at a time, high DPS and high HP. I bet DF que-up times would dramatically decrease if these jobs were leveled.

Please look forward to it.

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Your new jobs ideas are awesome too, Chibi-san!... I hope they'll be implemented

I can't see us getting blue mage.
There just aren't the mobs with useful abilities to learn in ARR. Haste maybe from the garleans or maybe vulnerability down from kobolds but I can't think of nearly enough to base a class on. Without blue magic you aren't a blue mage.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Anyone have good ideas for another tank and healer job?

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New healer job is easy. The game is crying out for dancer. Melee healer, yes please.

Also the reason musketeer needs to be a class of its own rather than coming from arc is because the community would go opo opo shit if ranger isn't the next arc job.

My class list:

Shaman > Beast Master / Blue Mage (Hybrid Caster/Melee DD that uses primal mysticism to acquire beast skills and leads a path to either master the beasts of Eorzea, or embody them.)

Inquisitor > Red Mage / Dark Knight (Hybrid DD, possibly tank Dark Knight, a magical warrior that serves in Ishgard who walks a fine line of his inquest against the dark houses that threaten Ishgard, or giving in to the void and wielding it's power)

Musketeer > Corsair / Engineer ( Modeled after Setzer and Edgar from FFVI )

Existing Classes

CNJ
Geomancer

THM
Time Mage

GLD
Mystic Knight or Dark Knight (Single blade or dual wield)

ARC
Ranger

MRD
Berserker or Viking, or alternate weapon Greatsword Dark Knight

PGL
Dancer, Thief or Ninja

I would hope ARC would get Ranger as its next job.

Muskateer will prob get Fusilier and/or Corsair as their jobs.

THM could do with a healing job (something like drain/asper/expel skill cycle), CNJ could do with a DPS job.

They should make the armoury system revolve around soul crystals instead of weapons, it would make more sense and be less restrictive, don't see that happening though.