SE Please

Stop making tank,healer, and dps sets for both tanks/heals/dps, please give a separate set for warriors, a separate set for paladins, a separate set for white mage, a separate set for scholars, a separate set for black mage, and a separate set for summoner.. my main reason for this, is so that both classes can have thier beneficial stats without having to sacrifice for the other class, like healer gear with critical but no determination something a scholar would go after and a white mage would feel lacking or a paladin stuck with critical something a warrior would find beneficial. please try in the future to do this it would be extremely helpful and i think something alot of people would like. not to mention it cripples glamour/vanity uniqueness between these classes

They do offer this, with the AF sets (which we're getting another of in 2.3)

But for now you'll have to mix-match, they're very aware of what they're doing in terms of shared gear sets.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

they're very aware of what they're doing in terms of shared gear sets.

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i highly doubt that with the stats they are giving especially for tanks because they a really bad same for healers white mages were basically gimped out of det for crit on almost all the body gear

I'm really not sure why people have an obsession with getting full sets. I really don't see anything wrong with mixing and matching, especially since there's no set bonus like some games offer.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

I'm really not sure why people have an obsession with getting full sets. I really don't see anything wrong with mixing and matching, especially since there's no set bonus like some games offer.

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its not the that there is a need for a set its so that a paladin can have thier own beneficial stats and a war thiers even whn u mix/match as of now in 2.2 tanks a gimped with alot of crit something tht is not really needed since they are not dps, best thing for tanks is high parry and acc, det is gd too but crit is all but useles

I have to agree... Every Single DD got their own gear Set (except BLM/SMB) But tank and healers have only one to Share. Im both, WHM and SCH. I would like to Focus on different stats, but this is not with this options.
And...im a girl... So... I want them to look different XD. Even with Vanity System or not, i dont want my WHM looking the same as my SCH.

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Originally Posted by Danima

I have to agree... Every Single DD got their own gear Set (except BLM/SMB) But tank and healers have only one to Share. Im both, WHM and SCH. I would like to Focus on different stats, but this is not with this options.
And...im a girl... So... I want them to look different XD. Even with Vanity System or not, i dont want my WHM looking the same as my SCH.

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ty for sayin blm/smn i conpletely forgot about that. although i belive thier stats are gd i do see where it is bad but all in all each class deserves thier on set and for the most part i think se needs to stop movin around the stats so dam much, jus stick with the stats that work for each class, (pld, parry acc det,) (war parry acc crit,) (sch crit det) (whm Det piety ss) (smn crit det acc) (blm crit ss acc) if they did that it would make things less of a pain in the ass. and the vanity a big thing too forgot to mentin in my op thnx >.<

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

its not the that there is a need for a set its so that a paladin can have thier own beneficial stats and a war thiers even whn u mix/match as of now in 2.2 tanks a gimped with alot of crit something tht is not really needed since they are not dps, best thing for tanks is high parry and acc, det is gd too but crit is all but useles

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That's exactly my point though. Why do you feel there is a need for a clean-cut cookie-cutter type set? This gear in this game is already about as linear and bland as it gets. For example, it's not even like crit is a bad thing on WHM, it's simply not optimal. I see trade-offs as a good thing; even now, if you look at the healer subsection, there is still some debate about balancing all the stat increases with the decreases in PIE.

Now, if you were complaining about how alternative pieces are obtained (e.g. most WHM BiS DET gear coming from Coil and nowhere else while SCH gets a free ride), then I would agree.

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

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Honestly, i'd rather they DIDN'T make job specific gear. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

That's exactly my point though. Why do you feel there is a need for a clean-cut cookie-cutter type set? This gear in this game is already about as linear and bland as it gets. For example, it's not even like crit is a bad thing on WHM, it's simply not optimal. I see trade-offs as a good thing; even now, if you look at the healer subsection, there is still some debate about balancing all the stat increases with the decreases in PIE.

Now, if you were complaining about how alternative pieces are obtained (e.g. most WHM BiS DET gear coming from Coil and nowhere else while SCH gets a free ride), then I would agree.

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crit is not a bad thing i do agree with you on that but crit is more beneficial towards sch while on whm it is not, det is reliable for both classes but it works more for whm. and anyways all gear in every game is cookie cutter/bland its how it is and will always be, no need to ruin the stats while they are at it. if it works it works why fix somethin that isnt broken u know, it just sounds like u want it to be difficult whn it shouldnt, thats why we got raids raids should be difficult not the gear

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Originally Posted by ispano

Honestly, i'd rather they DIDN'T make job specific gear. Sorry.

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jus wonderin is it because you dont wanna do the extra work for it?

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

jus wonderin is it because you dont wanna do the extra work for it?

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I don't care about the extra work. I don't like Job specific gear, and this includes relics. Also when I say job specific people only think WAR vs PLD(And the others of course), they always forget something else. Plus using that example of WAR vs PLD, they honestly want the same stats in reality.

I play WHM and I prefer crit over deter but the lack of piety annoyed me, altho I also prefer them separated set just for vanity :(

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Originally Posted by ispano

I don't care about the extra work. I don't like Job specific gear, and this includes relics. Also when I say job specific people only think WAR vs PLD(And the others of course), they always forget something else. Plus using that example of WAR vs PLD, they honestly want the same stats in reality.

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ok was wonderin, and actually about pld/war yes they want parry and acc but thier 3rd benificial stat is diff, war would go for crit or skill speed (i dont know why skil sped was jus what a war friend said was gd) while plds det

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

i highly doubt that with the stats they are giving especially for tanks because they a really bad same for healers white mages were basically gimped out of det for crit on almost all the body gear

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Are you taking into account the High Allagan Gear as well as the Solidery?

Because it sounds like a repeat of the Myth/Allagan for 2.0 where you simply had to balance between the two, full myth would completley useless on some classes (where as others it was fine).

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Are you taking into account the High Allagan Gear as well as the Solidery?

Because it sounds like a repeat of the Myth/Allagan for 2.0 where you simply had to balance between the two, full myth would completley useless on some classes (where as others it was fine).

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yes i have takin them into account but the balance difference mainly for tanks is quite lopsided, all im askin for tanks is dnt mess with wht is broken if they kept the stats like they were in 2.1 i woud be quite happy as well i belive alot of ppl would, i mean go look up all the tank armor and u will see alot of trashy stats for one class but not the other, and the blancing will end up gimping the classes harshly

If your artifact+1 gear gave you all the beneficial stats you needed, no one would do coils. They would already have everything they need without having to raid.
While it may not match to have AF+1 and Allagan gear, the glamour system provides you with the alternative :D

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Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth

If your artifact+1 gear gave you all the beneficial stats you needed, no one would do coils. They would already have everything they need without having to raid.
While it may not match to have AF+1 and Allagan gear, the glamour system provides you with the alternative :D

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This is pretty much the point I was getting at here.

You aren't going to get the most appropriate or beneficial gear without going into coil, that's just the way it goes even if it is heavily lopsided for some classes (it shuffles around a lot).

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Originally Posted by Shioban

They do offer this, with the AF sets (which we're getting another of in 2.3)

But for now you'll have to mix-match, they're very aware of what they're doing in terms of shared gear sets.

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Where did you get the "which we're getting another of in 2.3" part from? Can you back this up???

I'm quite happy about the stats of the sets. I main BLM honestly and both SMN and BLM BiS is a mix of both and they usually don't share the same BiS. i do have to agree the tank gear stats tend to be silly.... Wave Battleaxe is the perfect example, crit and det. Gogo WAR DPS.

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Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth

If your artifact+1 gear gave you all the beneficial stats you needed, no one would do coils. They would already have everything they need without having to raid.
While it may not match to have AF+1 and Allagan gear, the glamour system provides you with the alternative :D

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then you misundersood wht i meant i was sayin, in my post i did say giv us beneficial but i never said make every piece beneficial becuase i know what u said would happen, i want the be be a better way to mix an match to each classes trangretion so they can do it without havn to go oh well now my sch will be better but my whm will be gimped vise versa for [;d war smn blm, there is gunna be mix match no matter wht, all im sayin is with seperate sets u are able to mix and match at a better dagree thn before cause atm we are verylimited on benificial and really it aint hard gettin gear and the way they have it set is even if we got the all the gear ud still have to do coil to upgrade it as well. but all in all each class should have thier own set bottom line

I'm more disappointed they keep making just a couple of models then recolor them and call it a day. Royal/Crimson, Onion/Ballad, Gloam/Auroral, especially this last one, it's just plain lazy.

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Originally Posted by Roris

I'm more disappointed they keep making just a couple of models then recolor them and call it a day. Royal/Crimson, Onion/Ballad, Gloam/Auroral, especially this last one, it's just plain lazy.

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i wholeheatedly agree with u there