I don't really know how common is the essue or if this is something that just happened to me. Last night I was doing a Brayflox HM on the DF. Everything was going great, everyone knew what have to be done until the second boss. After we beat it one of the dps said that it had to go. The other dps the tank and me ( the healer) just continue normally waiting for him to drop so we could get another dps. Then he said to vote kick him. The dps and me was like "why?, just leave if you have to go". Then he said that if we didn't wanted to 3 man the rest of the dungeon we had to vote kick him, and we were like fine we doing without you. Thats when he said like good free drops i'm just going to be here watching netflix and a bunch of stuff.
The point is I don't care if you are myth farming brayflox HM but please don't do it on the DF and then demand a vote kick and don't be helpful the rest of the run b/c we didn't kick you. I would propose a suggestion that the vote kick had an option to put half the penalty for leaving dungeon ( 15min for me if fine ) to the AFK reason. I know is not the best option and some people might abuse it, but this thing of people demanding a vote kick to not get the penalty for leaving and then procede to do nothing and afk till they got it had to stop.
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04-15-2014, 09:26 PMMyrhnVote kick
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04-15-2014, 09:28 PMTimethiuas
It has already been stated that this is illegal and that person should be reported.
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04-15-2014, 09:28 PMSadana
The pre-existing, front page thread is here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...arming-service.
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04-15-2014, 09:28 PMXandim
It's because brayflox HM is the new farming dungeon, where people only go as far as to 2nd boss to farm myth. That DPS probably said "i need to afk" thinking you guys were going to kick him, and when he noticed you wouldnt he asked to be kicked so he wouldnt get the 30m penalty for leaving a dungeon. It happens pretty often sadly, that's why I tend to make pre-made partis for sold/myth farm. Problem happens when you are doing roullettes... =P
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04-15-2014, 09:38 PMMyrhnThanks didn't see that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadana
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04-15-2014, 11:02 PMNekodar
The person "had to go" so he could jump into the next brayflox hm and do the same there.
If he really "have to go", he'd leave and eat the penalty since he wouldn't need to join any more dungeons at the moment.
Next time tell the person that he/she/it will be reported for harassment... and don't listen to any explanation of why he has the right to do what he does... -
04-15-2014, 11:14 PMMyrhnThat is basically what we did but we still had the problem of that person not helping on the rest of the run. A countermeasure for those behavior would be a nice addition,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekodar
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04-15-2014, 11:16 PMGerolan
In a vote kick side story...
Last night thought I would run low level roulette.
Got in I was the only one who had done it before, not an issue everyone's gotta start somewhere,
So since tank said first time tanking, I tried to help them , marking mobs for kill order (always ignored) placing marker where to pull the pirate guy to second time to where the adds came out (ignored) killing clams before the shades (ignored)
So just after the guy runs off the second time tank said in party "don't tell me what to do I'm in charge in the tank"
I replied I'm just trying to help because I know how daunting a dungeon can be first time around.
Then I got kicked...
I know different from what the OP is on about tho that is an issue but saves making another vote kicked post. -
04-15-2014, 11:24 PMJaykosIllegal as in you can be charged for it and go to jail???Quote:
Originally Posted by Timethiuas
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04-15-2014, 11:27 PMGerolan
Oops forgot to add to get back to OPs post, yeah Saturday in Bray HM, last boss, the SMN refused to go over the purple line, and I mean outright refused, so we 3 manned it, drop that I needed dropped and they won.....
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04-15-2014, 11:31 PMArcFinixOffering advice is an insult.. and offering a good advice is sacrilege... well at least in terms of these noob.. newbie learn and noob don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Gerolan
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04-15-2014, 11:32 PMArcFinixillegal in terms of EULA or the agreement when u accept to play the game..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaykos
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04-15-2014, 11:33 PMArcFinix
Personally, I think a vote kicked person should be warranted a full 30min penalty. along with everyone else having 15min. prevent abuse allows u to kick idiots who do such.... tricks.
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04-15-2014, 11:35 PMGerolanLol i wouldn't mind if I was aggressive or arrogant about it, but I really couldn't of been more friendly because I hate how daunting a new dung can feel, usually people say thanks for the advice so I was totally taken a back by the tank, assuming the other 2 are friends with tank as they all had same surnameQuote:
Originally Posted by ArcFinix
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04-15-2014, 11:38 PMVersiroth
The funny thing is, there's what? One trash pack after the second boss before the last boss? These people could spend another 5-10 minutes and finish the dungeon. Instead, they make an ass out of themselves by demanding a vote kick.
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04-15-2014, 11:40 PMKingOfAbyss
Heya all ^^
You know what would be the easiest to implement? No vote kick. + Give all myth and Soldiery (and next tomes) at the END of the completed dungeon / Trial / Whatever..
Once you are in a dungeon, it is made to be completed. If you leave on your own, Penalty. No one is forcing you to get in, and if you are in, it's your intent to do so. Where is the FUN factor into that? Social aspect, nah, we need 13500 Myth tomes ASAP else we will rage/quit.
Really, Lots are overlooking as well the random Opo Minion that will drop (no need/greed) into a random player from that Brayflox HM.. You don't want it? I've heard it can fetch a very nice price on MB..
It won't be today, when people will play for fun versus playing to be the über best with the 1337 gear.. guess what? It's an MMO.. everyone can have the same as everyone else.. longer for some, but still the same.
TL;DR - you are wasting your time and others trying to ask to be kicked out. I would wait till the entire time if it would happen to me. When I get there, I specify that we are doing the complete run (some still want/need DL gear) so if you are not happy, you can leave. By your own means.. Oh! and you'll be reported by 3 person, hopefully. Stop acting like a kid, and if you're a kid, stop acting.
Play = fun. Fun for everyone, not just your own.
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04-15-2014, 11:58 PMKelvani
Its a real shame when temper tantrums worthy of preschoolers are used to try to control other players. I am so glad I have only run into a few bad troll runs so far since 2.2 came out. I guess the best thing to do is refuse to vote kick them, then stand around while the rest of you send harassment reports. That sucks though when all you want to do is spend another 5 minutes playing that dungeon then get out and do something else. I guess it really comes down to if its worth it to YOU to spend 3-4 times the amount of playtime left arguing with a selfish entitled brat in order to try to teach them to be considerate of others (something their parents should have done LONG before).
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04-16-2014, 12:12 AMKingOfAbyssWell, seems that was a bit contradicting.. So I wouldn't let myself get angry/depressed about it. Not worth a sec of your time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerolan
We are short of tanks, but we got the rage all over us.. lol and some got bitter, and then gets rude themselves.. what a happy virtual world ^^ -
04-16-2014, 12:14 AMGerolanMore annoyed I had to reque for roulette lol, I do however feel sorry for tanks in DF the amount of rage directed at them all because a single mob in a pack might of ran off to hit someone once due to that person not killing the same thing everyone else isQuote:
Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss
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04-16-2014, 01:23 AMVladislav
Devs need add option report+kick , after initiated that kind of kick GM's have to "check" whole situation about kick (to prevent abuse) . Also add penality (what left of time inside dungeon) to those who got kicked & to those who just leaved . Like Brayflox : 75~ min left and player leaved , he getting 75 mins , if gets kicked by "special report + kick" = getting 75 again :D
(tho if Vote to Abandon all goes as normal w/o penality)
Whatleft time penality i think can be best solution to prevent Abandons on AV , Brayflox , EX primals etc. -
04-16-2014, 01:49 AMKimikryoAre you ... serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaykos
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04-16-2014, 02:00 AMCap75That\'s just stunning to me. As a tank who just reached end game stuff I have, since my first dungeon, 1) read a guide first 2) say "Hello. I'm new to this dungeon. Any and all advise welcome." Only once did that ever illicite a bad response, something sarcastic like "Oh, that's just great", the first time I did SV story. And once he realized just because I hadn't done the dungeon didn't mean I didn't know how to tank he changed his tune and threw me a com at the end. Every other time has resulted in people being really cool and showing me the ropes. Why oh why would you not want input from people who have already ran the dungeon before? It just makes everyone more comfortable and makes things go smoother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerolan
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04-16-2014, 03:03 AMKaela
I think that the boot kick system needs to be redone a bit. If that person is being booted because of harassment and whatnot, then yes they should get a 30 minute penalty. However, if the booted person is being booted because they are offline. Then I honestly don't think that they should get a penalty. Cause seriously, with lag and connection issues that people tend to have during dungeons. That is not nessisarily their fault they shouldn't be punished, as in if someone is being a jerk, yeah give them a penalty.
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04-16-2014, 03:10 AMMusashidon
report them for harassment, i had this happen in t4 the reason was different but the player refused to help in the battle and refused to take the penalty and just sat down we all reported them we got replys in less then 10 minutes.
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04-16-2014, 03:35 AMLord_Zlatanseriously its no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Versiroth
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04-16-2014, 03:42 AMMackaSomeone doesn't know the meaning of the word illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaykos
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04-16-2014, 03:52 AMMurakumoMillenniumWell for what it's worth, it's not the person you quoted :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macka
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04-16-2014, 04:38 AMWicc
It sounds like he was doing it for the myth, and instead of taking a penalty and waiting he wanted to be kicked.
They should make a penalty for if you get kicked. They made alot of adjustments to the kicking policy so now most of the unlawful kicks are hard to do.
I've only vote kick someone once: That was a healer in Aurem Vale that when I was giving him advice on how to play whm (he was new and we couldn't make a pull without dying) he flat out said "I'm just doing this on purpose."