New relics

Just wanna say what a slap in the face the new quests are to the loyal final fantasy crowd that got you guys to where you are today.weve been playing 20 years, investing our cash and atma is what you give us? So by comparison since most of us are in our 30s with jobs and families we can't get the best weapons because it takes no skill just hours upon hours of wasted time? Thanks for introducing me to mmo's, hopefully I'm not giving my money to elder scrolls in a week or two

12 atma fates 12 hrs+/- 36 leves 8 hours, 720 monsters 8hrs, 27 single fates 12 hrs, 27 dungeons 12 hrs. Wtf

13500 myth tomes 50x6min 500 hr 27 hrs

Long term goals are long term

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Originally Posted by Gelesto

Long term goals are long term

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how is random rng long term goal? What takes you 15secs to do might take someone else forever. Thats the nature of RNG its pure chance a roll of the dice. Making something RNG based only punishes players it does not control how fast something happens.

when Elder Scrolls comes out........i'll be playing this game.

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Originally Posted by Killabye

we can't get the best weapons because it takes no skill just hours upon hours of wasted time

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skill? why not start doing trying BC5(has echo and in the DF), Levi EX, or getting the weathered wep?

atma=zenith.. just a color, name, and ilvl change.

There are many other options for you and all of them take time to obtain.

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Originally Posted by hotroderx

how is random rng long term goal? What takes you 15secs to do might take someone else forever. Thats the nature of RNG its pure chance a roll of the dice. Making something RNG based only punishes players it does not control how fast something happens.

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Did you even read the thread? he wasnt just QQing about Atma's like every other person on the forums he was complaining about the time invested through atma and the completion of books

Honestly I just don't do T5 and some EX because I can't :( I'm not good enough yet. Sometimes they tell me things and idk wtf they're even talking about lol. Tried T5 and it didn't seem too hard, we got to 50% or so but DF is just people like me that wanna learn the fight mixed with elites that don't have a raid group and are assholes. Ive had raid groups but people don't have much love in this game and I can't stand dragging 7 FC friends down. If my party wipes I try and help and usually we can get it done even 3 bangin or when we don't know mechanics. Throw an elite asshole in and you can't get rhythm when they quit after 1 wipe

They gave echo, I don't like that. Now you can just suck hard enough and beat it lol. Why not instead give the option of running with the scions? Make them like a real party so people can run with computer and get mechanics if they need to? I'd much rather that than an echo buff, I'd bet a lot of noobs would get better if they could have a npc learning party so there's only the option of you failing. Idk just what I think would help me

If you add up all the atma books it's around 450 hours getting the atma stones in only 12 hours a set. That's 11 full work weeks lol

I got an atma after my first 15 minutes...

Didn't see one again for 6+ hours. I don't really care because I know at some point the drop rate will be upped. I just won't be the first person with the newest of the new shiny. I don't really care though, ill still have my sanity.

I see where u are coming from but I think the approach is wrong. You are breaking it down into mathematics that make it seam like its just an hours long slog. the ATMA farming part sucks. Everything else (the books) is essentially done by playing the game normally. its not going to take that long to kill the random mobs... a levequest here or there is a joke.. can be done in a few minutes. The FATEs are... meh. The dungeons give you tomes which you will use eventually to get a new book.

This is just ONE option for gearing up. I personally would rather dedicate the time to learning T5, passing it, and working on getting Burtgang. It is still luck based with drops, but at least were talking about doing fun, current content (and still getting geared through coil!)

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Originally Posted by Killabye

They gave echo, I don't like that. Now you can just suck hard enough and beat it lol. Why not instead give the option of running with the scions? Make them like a real party so people can run with computer and get mechanics if they need to? I'd much rather that than an echo buff, I'd bet a lot of noobs would get better if they could have a npc learning party so there's only the option of you failing. Idk just what I think would help me

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MMO doesn't sound like your thing if you dread playing with others that much. You might not like echo but others, including me does. It helps people with less-than-optimal rotations push through phases easier and eventually beat it.
The thing about your idea is that people like to develop their own strategies instead of being shoe-horned into something. That's important in an MMO where everyone plays different roles and classes. What works for one might not work well for others.

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Originally Posted by Killabye

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Originally Posted by Killabye

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Wronger than the wrongest tunnel worm.

Having the echo does not make you immune to death. you still have to learn the mechanics, as they one-shot ones are still one-shot. The echo only makes the fight shorter overall.

ATMA WEAPONS ARE NOT THE BEST WEAPONS FOR EVERY SINGLE CLASS

The truest statement that pretty much every single one of the QQers has yet to realize. Once you realize that you will see how silly and pointless your QQing is. You want the easy as hell and no skill required way to get higher level weps? go ahead, do ATMA quests. Want to better yourself and get good weapons without much time? DO LEVIATHAN! i95 wep to start (better than atma immediatly) and if you get lucky you can get a mirror to get an i100 weapon that is the SAME strength as a fully completed animus.

And to all the people who QQ that primals are too hard either A) dont want to learn the fight properly, or B) Dont care to push themselves.

tl;dr: Quit crying, man up, and try and get better at the game in different ways. if you dont want to do that then that is your fault and yours alone. SE is doing the right thing here by making atma a low drop rate.

I am Axle Ten, and i approve this message.

Well I disagree with the op. I have a family and full time job and the only reason that keeps me playing MMO's is that you have a game that can last years, that everything you do keeps adding and evolves all the time, last patch was really frustrating, because of all the weekly lockouts and besides the Binding Coil and Crystal tower there was nothing else worth to do, relics could be completed in a couple of days or in one day if you had the static and tombstones, so i ended up taking a break until patch 2.2. So no more content that can be zerged fast and easily. I do agree that if they're making time sinks at least be enjoyable and can be completed without depending to luck.

If you want to progress faster then do the BC or BC2 to upgrade your gear and weapons

Learning the mechanics of the EX and coil would take less time, and net better gear/weapons any day. Worse case scenario, if you can't be cutting edge, whatever your reason may be, SE will nerf it during the next patch making it easier to 'catch up' to the point of leading edge again.

The hardest part of ATMA is the grinding required for FATEs. After that, it's all baby cakes.

The thing about your idea is that people like to develop their own strategies instead of being shoe-horned into something. That's important in an MMO where everyone plays different roles and classes. What works for one might not work well for others.[/QUOTE]


That's the opposite of what I've seen. I started trying t5 yesterday. Four groups and never once over two runs and all about the same exact result. We get going and someone doesn't do the stack right or something. Someone quits. Done, 5-10 min in DF and somebody quits after 1 run. Which is exactly what I'd expect. We had one where the guy told us how someone sucked (oddly haven't been targeted in the anger game yet) then proceeded to die first and quit out instantly. Another the pet wasn't in the right area and dude told us our mothers were waiting for him then quit. 1 run. I guess if that is how mmo's are maybe you're right it ain't my thing

Friday night actually got worse :/ they were trolling so maybe 2 hours and three runs. Theyd let everyone talk strat then quit on first pull. The three runs we did get in idk what OT was doing but he'd pull the mob as far from where I needed it as possible, he was prolly trolling too since he made fun of everyone there before quitting. I'd really like to beat it before going in with my FC but that doesn't even look like it can happen

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Originally Posted by Killabye

with elites that don't have a raid group and are assholes

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I knew this was going to make a pop up somewhere in this thread lol, if you don't want to teach and/or carry ppl every single moment you are logged in, you are an elitest. Well guess what, sometimes we just want to get our win and move on to other things just like you. Grow up dude.

Its an MMO, you are able to play and progress this game for literally years, there is no reason to QQ about something that takes hours, If you were a true ff fan that played xi you would be amazed at how easy these weapons are to get. And SE cant just design a game around your schedule or the handful of ppl who want to rage cause they have jobs and families that don't mix with their gaming addictions and will quit long before those of us you consider "elitest". Plus you have 3 months before next patch. That's ample time to get at least 1 zodiac done and then you have years after that to complete more.

My only qualm is that they put them as FATE drops and I find fates horrendously boring and lazy game design. My first set took me 50 hrs, but I did it, and Im doing it 3 more times for other weapons.

50+ hours for my 12 ATMA. Pretty much all I've done since 2.2 besides a handful of Levi's.

It was rough but it's done. The books are much more quantifiable and I plan on doing 1 book max a week so I can get back to enjoying the game.

The are not the best weapons but because they will continue to evolve everyone should be working on one even if it's just a few hours a week.

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I knew this was going to make a pop up somewhere in this thread lol, if you don't want to teach and/or carry ppl every single moment you are logged in, you are an elitest. Well guess what, sometimes we just want to get our win and move on to other things just like you. Grow up dude.


My only qualm is that they put them as FATE drops and I find fates horrendously boring and lazy game design. My first set took me 50 hrs, but I did it, and Im doing it 3 more times for other weapons.

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It's not just the elitist. Idc if an elitist is a team player. They're not. It's the others too, that can't do it. I've been running T5 and tried Titan just now. The elitists bully the bad players and the bad players quit out too. I'll never get where you guys equate being good to winning at this. Being really good is being able to go in with a noob party and direct the show. I guess it's hard to take charge if all you've ever done is supersized a big Mac meal though

For someone like me who's just behind cause I've leveled a lot of players learning mmo its near impossible unless you go with people you know. Twintania I haven't had a single problem. Titan I didn't know to provoke but after 1 run I'm not the problem. I feel bad for the guys that quit too, you try and convince them to stay and they've been kicked around so much they blame it all on themselves. Too bad it's such an awesome game, didn't realize the type of people that would be playing it lol. Guess I didn't think it through too much, they gotta bully someone lmao just wish i didn't have to deal with it in a game

Just ran again, watched em just obliterate the poor MT. Nice guy, came in and said he was new. Let hi MT cause its easier for me to MTso I figured it'd be for him. By second run everyone was calling him an idiot. He quit out cause he felt bad. It's actually pretty funny when people quit out on me, I get to a problem I handle it as best I can. Kinda why I six figure it. Then you play a game and have a bunch of French fry baggers talking shit cause they got cover behind a screen lmao they wouldn't say a damn word in real life

The irony in this thread.

Is so thick.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

The irony in this thread.

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Really? I can't get past the smell.

For someone so dissatisfied with parts of this game, the OP sure is ranting to themselves a lot.

Just have to keep in mind that DF is usually a crap shoot used to learn mechanics. Like titan HM be4 patch... u gunna die! So I recommend joining/starting a learning party in pf. More reliable.

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Originally Posted by Killabye

Just wanna say what a slap in the face the new quests are to the loyal final fantasy crowd that got you guys to where you are today.weve been playing 20 years, investing our cash and atma is what you give us? So by comparison since most of us are in our 30s with jobs and families we can't get the best weapons because it takes no skill just hours upon hours of wasted time? Thanks for introducing me to mmo's, hopefully I'm not giving my money to elder scrolls in a week or two

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Or you can stop crying and wait until they nerf the requirements. No son you can't have everything others have. The sooner you learn that the sooner you'll be happy.

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It's actually pretty funny when people quit out on me, I get to a problem I handle it as best I can. Kinda why I six figure it. Then you play a game and have a bunch of French fry baggers talking shit cause they got cover behind a screen lmao they wouldn't say a damn word in real life

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If anything's ironic, it's this.

Atma/Animus isn't even needed. Hell, I've only got Zenith and I'm still able to MT over OT trying to MT, even when he's got Animus gear [insert irony here]. So anyone complaining that we NEED upgraded relic needs to re-evaluate how their spending their days. I see more Dragoon atmas than any other, last runs of Turn 1 I've done, it's been nothing but Dragoon gear. Go do Turn 1 and finish up through Turn 5, then we'll see how much you love your atmas. ¬_¬

Yeah is the High Allagan weapons still not the best? Atma Weapons are on par with Zenith (just different ilv) just the animus is higher weapon. However this being a long term weapon upgradeable over time (seen interface screenshot) i am thinking this weapon may be the best so why not get the grind out of the way unless of course SE continue on course of having them in fates, even future upgrades. I have been doing a few hours pretty much every night since 2.2 has been out and have 6 atmas.
Tedious yes but it is a player's decision if they want the weapon or not. Maybe they added them to fates because players were not doing them anymore?
I have absolutely very little luck well it being rng but keeping at it.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

If anything's ironic, it's this.

Atma/Animus isn't even needed. Hell, I've only got Zenith and I'm still able to MT over OT trying to MT, even when he's got Animus gear [insert irony here]. So anyone complaining that we NEED upgraded relic needs to re-evaluate how their spending their days. I see more Dragoon atmas than any other, last runs of Turn 1 I've done, it's been nothing but Dragoon gear. Go do Turn 1 and finish up through Turn 5, then we'll see how much you love your atmas. ¬_¬

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Fighting with the OT? Wtf are you playing, labrynth of the ancients? Lol