This past week, I finally decided to start leveling a tank class, GLD to be exact, and never realized how difficult it was. Alerting the people in my party with me on my first tanking Guildheist that I was a new tank and may not do a good job was smart, because sure enough, I had no trouble letting the enemies run straight to the healer.
As a SCH main and WHM secondary, I now know the pain of trying to keep aggro off of the healer and DPS. It's certainly not that easy at low levels, and I have a new found respect for tanks out there.
Hopefully it gets easier as I level up more! :D
From Healer to Tank
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04-08-2014, 01:13 AMGaiaGuardianFrom Healer to Tank
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04-08-2014, 02:02 AMVargasVermillion
Pretty much what happened to me but the other way around. When I tried leveling healer in the DF and ended up with titan. I was so not prepared for it..then i realized afterwards that I should of unlocked WHM first lol.
Holding hate does get easier as you level since you get more tools, as a GLA you'll find it easier once you get the full combo, shield lob and provoke. The rest is flash and there's also circle of scorn at level 50. Warrior is easier to hold hate with since you get overpower and you get it early. -
04-08-2014, 03:08 AMFile2ish
I went from DPS(bard) to healer (whm, my main), then tank (pld). The jump from bard to whm to pld was easy for me, especially the jump to whm. I generally was a healer for multiplayer games with my friends (FFXI RDM and DNC, my main jobs, would be off[support] heals). Going to tank was daunting because of how the tank gets blamed most of the time though.
It get's easier once you get the full combo (rage of halone). Shield Oath becomes a must as a main tank for PLD level 40, holding hate becomes so much easier with it.
EDIT removed false information, see Lemon8or's reply to clarify. -
04-08-2014, 05:06 AMLemon8orThis is false. Provoke only puts you 1 enmity above the highest enmity person, does NOT reset enmity whatsoever. I have my off-tank provoke off me in twintania for a second so he'd be second place on enmity bar and still outscale other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by File2ish
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04-08-2014, 01:47 PMFile2ishAh, thanks for the clarification. I haven't tanked anything that required two tanks yet. I was kind of saying from what I've experienced (provoke a mob off the healer and all of a sudden that mob is on a DPS who wasn't as high up on the enmity gauge as the healer was).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon8or
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04-08-2014, 01:54 PMSpookyGhost
I wish Provoke was that amazing. :(
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04-08-2014, 01:59 PMCitizen_ThomI had SCH at 50... have i79 equipment. I'm always up for healing... but, a lot of the end game content is easier to learn as a tank, because you can off tank... and by the time you have the equipment, you'll be a very solid main tank from seeing it done by others. You don't get that chance to learn as a healer in end game. And while you get quicker queues than DPS as a healer, you don't get 1 minute queues like tanks do. So I leveled my PLD from 37 to 50 in a few weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaiaGuardian
I expect you already have stoneskin from Scholar. I found that having stoneskin as a subskill let me assist healers when boss fights grew a bit hairy. Start off with a couple of flashes, and try to rotate between mobs, provoke, shield bash, shield lob, and cover (for melee dps) all help you accumulate hate. Sometimes, when a whm runs low on mp, I'll toss in stoneskins on the entire party while they recharge. Other than that, just do your best to remember what you saw as a healer and apply it to your tanking... the only thing I had to learn was positioning in the end. -
04-08-2014, 05:23 PMabzoluut
Playing more jobs makes your main(s) better. I really suggest having at least 1 healer, 1 tank and one dps (if you have the time/motivation to lvl). I also like the game far better because now I can choose which job I'll pick for a fight, fun!!
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04-09-2014, 06:52 AMVargasVermillionCurrently leveling a WHM and a MNK. I have to admit leveling a healer isn't the funnest thing in the world but i'll stick with it till endgame, plus it's be nice to be able to fill any slot when helping people out.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
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04-09-2014, 11:55 AMCitizen_ThomI just can't pick a dps to level yet. My free company says that I should take blm from 26 to 50. I have SMN, but my stats are geared for my SCH. DRG or MNK would be fun... but that queue wait....Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
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04-09-2014, 02:01 PMSetIt gets much much easier at later levels. Only time anyone gets anything off me is when there is a weird pull issue like a Cure 2 on pull and even then I get it back instantly. Glad/Pld is not so hot on group threat till 40+ when you get shield oath.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaiaGuardian
the only "issue" I ever have is when DPS decides to split up on 2 targets (not counting AOE). I don't usually lose threat but it does hurt the party and make you have to tab through your rotation unless you want to dump MP on flash or TP on overpower.
a bit of advice as well, create this macro to help pulling fast and getting DPS to target the correct item. This doesn't always work as mentioned above but I guess numbers are hard for some people.
/marking attack1 <t>
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04-11-2014, 02:11 AMSummonerSenahFor what it's worth, melee DPS queues are a bit faster than ranged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen_Thom
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04-11-2014, 05:41 AMDositoDF actually sorts the dps according to their range? I did not know thisQuote:
Originally Posted by SummonerSenah
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04-12-2014, 12:52 AMLord_Zlatansame, except DRG. Its tough in the 30s with WHM cuz its kind of boring but I wanna see what being a healer is like at 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by VargasVermillion
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04-13-2014, 12:37 AMgivemeraptorsI believe it tries to diversify parties. This is perhaps why you rarely see two SCH or two WHM sharing a full DF party. Instead 90% of the time I seem to get mixed WHM/SCH parties. The only exception seems to be Duty Roulette: Trials, and the Relic Quests in DF. But that is a clearly skewed group (relic progression). So my guess would be there are a lot more ranged DPS than melee DPS. Shrug. Dunno for sure though, just conjecture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dosito
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04-16-2014, 01:53 AMLeigaon
That's what I did, went from healer to tank and it's for the best. I better understand tanks and are more in sync with them than ever as a healer after leveling and enjoying Warrior. It will get easier as you level up more, I tank as PLD also now and it's not so bad gets easier. I enjoy warrior too and have easier time playing it but..paladin looks so much more cool...that's it..I got no in depth reasoning mechanics wise why just "looks..so..cool"
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04-17-2014, 12:28 AMPetiteMalFleur
What? I've been doing roulettes everyday and it seems like all I ever get are 2 bards.
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04-17-2014, 05:21 AMariaandkia
I went from healer to tank (though I'm back to working on my healers for now) and had no trouble tanking because I took what I saw as a healer and applied it to my tanking. I watch the aggro lines, I follow the DPS if needed in terms of attacking a mob, I have macros that help me inform my party of what I'm doing, etc.
Main thing is that you have to pay especially close attention to what you are doing and understand enmity.