Tank in Leviathan EX

well i played with a Tank in Leviathan EX

he was OT and i was MT

we made it to the guy who cast hysteria

at first i thought OT wasnt stunning at all so i asked him after the wipe if he was stunning or not

he answered as yes so i gave him another shot while i was focusing on him to see how he was stunning

and that guy was trying to stun dreadwash ( yea dreadwash the un-stunnable move )

i said to him you have to stun before he start casting dreadwash he refused as dreadwash stunnable

i told him i know the fight and killed leviathan 10 times while i was OT other members of the party were saying the same

and that guy was still insisting that its possible then quit and i was like -_-

i never thought giving advices is bad idea or am i imagining?

advice is frowned upon, same as not taking all points of the game seriously.

Some people don't wish to clear content I guess :(

If they get mad at you, its only because you are probably right and they don't want to admit it. Its common human behavior.

To give unasked advice is bad, to give unasked good advice is fatal.

Dreadwash is not unstunnable per se.
The add just happens to build a stun resistence really quick while not stunned, after a while he just becomes immune to it which it usually is by the time it casts Dreadwash.
We usually stunlock it and never have trouble. We start it like 5 seconds after it spawns, then just stun again 2 secs after it wears off, by the time the 3rd is done the add dies without getting anything off.
If something goes wrong you can always have a summoner or white mage knock the add away to interrupt his cast.
I'm well above 70 kills now and so far it always worked. The mirror has yet to drop...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Atreides

Dreadwash is not unstunnable per se.
The add just happens to build a stun resistence really quick while not stunned, after a while he just becomes immune to it which it usually is by the time it casts Dreadwash.
We usually stunlock it and never have trouble. We start it like 5 seconds after it spawns, then just stun again 2 secs after it wears off, by the time the 3rd is done the add dies without getting anything off.
If something goes wrong you can always have a summoner or white mage knock the add away to interrupt his cast.
I'm well above 70 kills now and so far it always worked. The mirror has yet to drop...

---

of course thats what i do

the add follow a certain rotation before it cast dreadwash

Ruin -> Ruin -> Darkness ( not always so sometimes it skip it ) -> dreadwash

so the best bet is to stun it after the 2nd ruin to give your team as much time as you can before stuns wear off

Dreadwash is technically stunnable. Dreadstorm is not. If Dreadstorm starts to be cast, the hysteria puddle will not be stopped unless you manage to burn down the add before the cast finishes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Avalon_Albrook

Dreadwash is technically stunnable. Dreadstorm is not. If Dreadstorm starts to be cast, the hysteria puddle will not be stopped unless you manage to burn down the add before the cast finishes.

---

both are un-stunnable by the moment the add start casting it unless you missed wash word

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

both are un-stunnable by the moment the add start casting it unless you missed wash word

---

no, he is correct, I can confirm dreadwash (unavoidable mass hysteria) is stunnable but dreadstorm (aoe hysteria) is not, when you try to stun dreadstorm you'll get a "Invulnerable" warning. Getting dreadwash stunned is much more important when the guard rails are down during the last 15% phase of the fight.

the easiest way to deal with that add is do it like dreadknights in T5, stunlock and burn it down. Only start stunning when it's below 80% health, too early and you'll end up getting resists, other melees should refrain from stunning until after the 3rd stun.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dano

no, he is correct, I can confirm dreadwash (unavoidable mass hysteria) is stunnable but dreadstorm (aoe hysteria) is not, when you try to stun dreadstorm you'll get a "Invulnerable" warning. Getting dreadwash stunned is much more important when the guard rails are down during the last 15% phase of the fight.

the easiest way to deal with that add is do it like dreadknights in T5, stunlock and burn it down. Only start stunning when it's below 80% health, too early and you'll end up getting resists, other melees should refrain from stunning until after the 3rd stun.

---

i will check myself

Ive seen dreadwash be stunned.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dano

no, he is correct, I can confirm dreadwash (unavoidable mass hysteria) is stunnable but dreadstorm (aoe hysteria) is not, when you try to stun dreadstorm you'll get a "Invulnerable" warning. Getting dreadwash stunned is much more important when the guard rails are down during the last 15% phase of the fight.

the easiest way to deal with that add is do it like dreadknights in T5, stunlock and burn it down. Only start stunning when it's below 80% health, too early and you'll end up getting resists, other melees should refrain from stunning until after the 3rd stun.

---

I agree with this as well, in fact I wait to do the second stun UNTIL the cast bar for dreadwash appears, and I have never had the mass hysteria effect by doing it this way and can confirm it is in fact stunnable. If you experience otherwise somebody else may be stunning and have built up the immunity, or the stun may have missed (accuracy below cap). Also, as Dano said, easiest to start stunning at about 80% and just keep stunlocked, but keep in mind dreadwash is the priority and dreadstorm is survivable with careful awareness.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Avalon_Albrook

Dreadwash is technically stunnable. Dreadstorm is not. If Dreadstorm starts to be cast, the hysteria puddle will not be stopped unless you manage to burn down the add before the cast finishes.

---

Pushbacks/Holmgang(pull-forward?) interrupt the Dreadstorm cast. So Fluid Aura, Garuda pushback and Holmgang can actually stop it from going off.
It is a very short window after it starts casting but it definitely works.

As far as I know they are stunable. But there is also a high chance it got resisted or, the same cast bar problem we face. Aka, Titan plumes issue, the cast bar is not the same on server and client side.

What the hell are you talking about Op? "DREADWASH" can be stunned and Must be stunned. The one that is invulnerable to stun is DREADSTORM. You can skip it totally with a good stunner (Stun at 80%,then right after while dps rush him down as fast as they can, and then the tank saves the last stun for dreadwash.)

Like I already mentioned, all his skills are stunnable.
The add just happens to build a stun resistence on his own, it doesn't matter whether someone else was stunning it or not more often then not it starts resisting because you took too much time to start the stun chain while many offtanks seems to think someone else did it.
If you keep stunning it it doesn't build the resistence over time so the best way is to just stunlock it after when it hits 80% or like 5 seconds after it spawns.
When I played monk I was sometimes accused of stunning the add because I was the only other person able to do so, they shut up when I charged back to leviathan and Steel peaked it as I explained from my own experience as offtank how the mechanic worked.
Thats why I hate going with randoms~ D:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Atreides

Like I already mentioned, all his skills are stunnable.

---

And as has already been mentioned, all his skills are not stunnable. Only dreadwash is stunnable mid-cast. You cannot stun dreadstorm mid-cast. Stunlocking an add to keep it from getting the chance to get a cast off is not the same as that cast being stunnable.

well yeah you were right dreadwash is stunnable mid-cast but dreadstorm isnt

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Atreides

I'm well above 70 kills now and so far it always worked. The mirror has yet to drop...

---

how do you people kill this shit 70 times in two weeks :\

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Delorean

how do you people kill this shit 70 times in two weeks :\

---

i play 8 hours daily and killed it for 50 times already :/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

i play 8 hours daily and killed it for 50 times already :/

---

its not that i dont believe someone could

but why lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Delorean

its not that i dont believe someone could

but why lol

---

Mirror, mirror, of the Whorl
Who is the grindiest of them all?

Easy mode Caster Kill...

Stun @ 80% (roughly 5-6 sec)
2nd stun 3 sec
3rd stun 1 sec
WHM Fluid Aura his next action.

If you're party failed to kill it by now... I forsee you having trouble with spumes anyway.

If any OT wants to do this differently.

A.) His/her method should be successful.
B.) If his/her method is unsuccessful he/she should change it.
C.) He/She should be replaced.

It's OK to try different things... but if they don't work... it's OK to say... "welp worth a try" and go back to what works.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Allyrion

\Garuda pushback and Holmgang can actually stop it from going off.

---

Sadly garuda isn't very responsive when i clicked her push back skill :/ All i can say is don't depend on Garuda to do the 'dirty' job. She is highly unreliable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jonny_Tapas

Easy mode Caster Kill...

Stun @ 80% (roughly 5-6 sec)
2nd stun 3 sec
3rd stun 1 sec
WHM Fluid Aura his next action.

If you're party failed to kill it by now... I forsee you having trouble with spumes anyway.

If any OT wants to do this differently.

A.) His/her method should be successful.
B.) If his/her method is unsuccessful he/she should change it.
C.) He/She should be replaced.

It's OK to try different things... but if they don't work... it's OK to say... "welp worth a try" and go back to what works.

---

technically the MT should be making themselves useful by voking the other one, to let damage dealers get that couple of extra seconds of unrestricted beat down.

Very rarely it is a rough dps check. As most groups save their CDs for bubbles.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kukurumei

technically the MT should be making themselves useful by voking the other one, to let damage dealers get that couple of extra seconds of unrestricted beat down.

Very rarely it is a rough dps check. As most groups save their CDs for bubbles.

---

if im MT i wont risk the team by going to kill the add then leviathan dread tide melee players

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

if im MT i wont risk the team by going to kill the add then leviathan dread tide melee players

---

And how exactly would he be doing seeing that voke is never used anywhere else as the MT in that fight?

There is no way a melee would get threat off the MT ever since no matter what the phases don't allow much time on the main body at all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kukurumei

And how exactly would he doing seeing that voke is never used anywhere else as the MT in that fight?

There is no way a melee would get threat off the MT ever after since no matter what the phases don't allow it.

---

well OT do the dirty job at leviathan tbh

MT is just act as a wall to leviathan