Props to an awesome game, but I just cannot "connect"

I feel like grinding to get gear and now ( sigh atma ) is a waste because I can't connect to any of the current in-game jobs. Why bother getting an atma weapon for my blm when in fact I'm just cruisin' along until a new job comes out ?

None of them gets me excited, I'm basically just "waiting" on rdm/blu or some other kind of magic/melee hybrid to come out. This is kinda of a depressing way of playing a game.

Anyone else feels the same ?

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Originally Posted by Taerra

Anyone else feels the same ?

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Pretty much yes. The classes/jobs are such watered-down versions of their FFXI counterparts that I feel little to no excitement at playing them. That said, while I'd love to see other jobs like Ninja, Red Mage, or Dancer released I have to temper my enthusiasm with the knowledge they'll be as bland and uninspiring as the current choices. It'll just be a different flavoured whack-a-mole.

I agree the classes are kinda bland, especially mages. I'm not even sure I am excited for RDM, the best part of it is the large selection of abilities. Mage classes in XIV have so little abilities to choose from. Elemental weaknesses are irrelevent. I miss having that large list of spells I could use, even if I rarely used a lot of them. How would they even handle BLU when they seem dedicated to every class having so few abilities?

Consoles/Gamepad limitations.

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Originally Posted by Metabug

Consoles/Gamepad limitations.

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right because the game people are referencing (FFXI) was not available on consoles, that were coincidentally played with a gamepad.

People forget that a lot of the abilities and such that comprised such a huge list were added after the fact. We will need more abilities for sure, but your naive to think that what we have now will be the final incarnations of these jobs.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

Pretty much yes. The classes/jobs are such watered-down versions of their FFXI counterparts that I feel little to no excitement at playing them. That said, while I'd love to see other jobs like Ninja, Red Mage, or Dancer released I have to temper my enthusiasm with the knowledge they'll be as bland and uninspiring as the current choices. It'll just be a different flavoured whack-a-mole.

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For jobs like Black Mage I would probably agree, but the various melee DPS in 11 were pretty watered down already. I would say Monk is far more enjoyable in 14.

Well the current classes/jobs are standard MMO cliches. We have tanks healers and dps types. The Final Fantasy job part is basically just different skins over the three types.

I'm sure we'll get you RDMs and NINs sooner or later but to expect something else that you're now getting is dumb. They're still going to be tweaked into just one of the three types.

If it's just asthetic tweak you're looking for then you have nothing to worry about. Maybe just take a break until the expansion or so?

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

right because the game people are referencing (FFXI) was not available on consoles, that were coincidentally played with a gamepad.

People forget that a lot of the abilities and such that comprised such a huge list were added after the fact. We will need more abilities for sure, but your naive to think that what we have now will be the final incarnations of these jobs.

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You're* and I don't think anyone said that. This game is based on rotations, so I doubt it will ever have anywhere the amount of abilities XI had. Some of these jobs to be added just won't be the same as their XI versions that people hope for.

Not enough cool abilities for the sake of balance makes it bland. Just like gear stats are bland.

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Originally Posted by Vaara

For jobs like Black Mage I would probably agree, but the various melee DPS in 11 were pretty watered down already. I would say Monk is far more enjoyable in 14.

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Monk is one of the few FFXI jobs I didn't play past 20 but, I agree with you, it didn't exactly seem busy with skills. I predominantly played ninja, paladin, dancer, corsair and to a lesser extent bard and white mage. The differences in skillsets between some of those jobs in FFXI and FFXIV is massively significant and rather saddening.

Most of 11s jobs weren't much different at level 50. I prefer less abilities that all get used rather than 100 abilities that I only use 6 of. Even BLU only really used 4 or 5 spells at 50 and 1 WS. Also at 75 cap the elemental weaknesses were irrelevant in 11 too. Mages all spammed Thunder V unless the monster was extremely resistant or absorbed it. Now in 11 they spam Stone because it has the best damage/MP ratio. No one ever nuked monsters with the weak element.

Unlike in FFXI, I enjoyed 90% of the jobs I have played in XIV, especially DRG and PLD. As for XI, I hardly could get into the jobs. DRG was alright, but I preferred most DNC. That's probably the only job I truly liked in that game. Then again I started also in 2007, which made it way too overwhelming for me.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

Monk is one of the few FFXI jobs I didn't play past 20 but, I agree with you, it didn't exactly seem busy with skills. I predominantly played ninja, paladin, dancer, corsair and to a lesser extent bard and white mage. The differences in skillsets between some of those jobs in FFXI and FFXIV is massively significant and rather saddening.

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PLD at 50 was Flash spam, Fast Blade or RLB, Sentinel and the occasional self cure. BRD at 50 used maybe 3 songs regularily. WHM had 4 cures but only used 3 because Cure IV could get you killed. Other than that it was pro/shell every 30 mins and remove a few statuses between cures.

The thing is in this game all the jobs are actual able to be used. In FFXI over half the jobs were useless depending on what the patch brought. For example jobs like blm and rdm have been relatively useless in XI endgame for the longest time. When I stopped playing after the last patch whm was (and probably still is) the only healer, whereas sch my favorite job was a stunbot. This game seems much more balanced with regards to classes.

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Originally Posted by Metabug

Consoles/Gamepad limitations.

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Lol....FFXI was primarily a PS2 launch...

In fact people STILL play it on PS2.

It's sad because when you look at the general picture the game is fantastic, but it lacks something about the jobs, the spells. The word "bland" has accurately been used.

I know I'll get stoned to death but look at WoW, I was a Shaman at heart and 90% of your spellbook was useful in some maner or another, but there was a LOT more abilities than we got now, and a lot more classes to choose from, I could support my team with totems, elementals and even cures if shit hit the fan WHILE being a dps, that's a big no no in xiv. Thing is, I'm a mage guy, but I absolutely hate blm ( forced to dynamis as blm back in FFXI is not fun ), so what does that leave me with when I hate pure melee toons ? Not much actually ...

The other thing I dislike is the lack of versatility in classes, tank dps dps heal ... that's it. While in WoW, although you had no pure support roles (aside from heal, unlike ffxi), each and every class has an array of features they can contribute to the team. We don't have that in XXIV, and what we have is lame ( apocastasis ? ).

Just a shame because it's otherwise a fantastic game. /sigh

I'll never understand this obsession people have with wanting a zillion useless abilities.

simple, options. And they just need to make them NOT useless ?

Good article on why FFXIV should of been more like FFXI instead.

http://www.gameskinny.com/z5hq7/brea...e-enix-a-brain

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Originally Posted by BearGrylls

I'll never understand this obsession people have with wanting a zillion useless abilities.

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The problem is that many of the already few skills we have are useless, or very rarely used.


BLM - Freeze, Apocostasis, Blizzard 1 and 2 once you have 3, aetherial manipulation, Thunder 2, Surecast.
WHM - Repose, Fluid Aura
SMN - Tri-disaster, Enkindle (people use it but let's face it at equal, if that, damage to fester and a huge CD timer, it doesn't add much)
BRD - Army's Paeon, Rain of death (only used when free procced), Quick nock (same as RoD)
DRG - Feint, Keen Flurry, Piercing Talon, Ring of Thorns, Doom Spike (people use it but twice the tp cost of a normal skill and not even worth the damage unless fully buffed), Dragonfire Dive (ridiculous CD for something that does less damage than jump)
MNK - Rockbreaker, One-Ilm Punch, Fists of Earth, Featherfoot, Haymaker, Perfect Balance (it's nice in certain situations don't get me wrong, but the loss of combo bonuses usually far outweigh the benefits of using it)
PLD - Shield Swipe (resistance built and the requirement of a block to use it, works on some skills but not others, lots of things immune to it), Tempered Will (mostly used for convenience rather than actual combat usefulness), Cover (if you have the time to use this skill it's time you could better spend on just taking hate off the target and bringing it back to you), Awareness (loss of chance for crit heals)
WAR - Steel Cyclone (Inner Beast is a better use of wrath), Mercy Stroke (if it's that close to being dead, the bard has already sniped it with misery's end, if not you wasted it)

And there are plenty of other skills that, while useful are severely underwhelming. The point is that making fewer skills doesn't make it a better game, it just makes the useless skills painfully more obvious.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Good article opinionated blog post on why FFXIV should of been more like FFXI instead

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Fixed that for you.

The only way to "connect" to the jobs the way you want to is to play a tabletop RPG. Check out some D&D or Pathfinder. An MMORPG simply can't handle that much complexity without some major balance problems (see FFXI already mentioned in this thread)

There's a few jobs I really like playing, but the ones I like most haven't been added yet. Only a matter of time until they add Thief and Samurai though, and one of the things I like most about XIV is how the game world feels like it's growing and changing as time goes on- much like how Revenant's Toll expands with each major patch.

I'm content with playing the jobs I do like, while watching the game world grow around me. I wonder how long it'll take before we've got access to Ishgard, or maybe an expansion to Garlemald...

I just wish SE would leak some concrete insight for additionnal jobs to keep people hooked and some "when".

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Originally Posted by Taerra

I just wish SE would leak some concrete insight for additionnal jobs to keep people hooked and some "when".

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The main scenario quests teased new jobs, and it's pretty obvious what those jobs are gonna be.

As for "when", Yoshi has always said they'd be introduced in the first expansion, which will be released late 2014/early 2015.

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late 2014/early 2015.

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Not sure I can "cruise" that long. /sigh ... Guess I can either suck it up, or take a break.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Good article on why FFXIV should of been more like FFXI instead.

http://www.gameskinny.com/z5hq7/brea...e-enix-a-brain

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People quoting these articles as a "FFXIV should be FFXI" are getting irritating. The whole point of the article is about what will sell. You cannot compare the popularity of single-player turn-based RPG's to an MMO. The article doesn't even mention FFXIV or FFXI because of how irrelevant they are to the main series. There is nothing about FFXIV or its engine or server structure that would support FFXI. Firstly, there are way more players. Secondly, it runs a lot of its code server-side to be accessible to more players. Thirdly, the engine was completely revamped and is probably not conducive to coding like that any more. The game has already started adding more "open content", and I'm sure it will continue to do so as server stability improves.