Suggestion: Open World Bosses

• Some Bosses spawns in open word;
• each boss have difficult mechanics to clear it, as happens in dungeons;
• the boss is targettable only if there is enough people in the area surrounding him (to avoid solo players have him engage and despawn)
• when a boss is engaged, a "ring of judgement" spawns around the area and nobody from ouside can enter or use skills, can just watch the fight;
• if the inner group wipes, the boss says its disappointment for the unworty battle and despawn (to avoid people amass outside in the while to farm him then);
• the reward for killing bosses is good enough to incentive people scouting the open world for them
• (optional) watching the fight too much near the ring may be dangerous xDDD

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

• Some Bosses spawns in open word;
• each boss have difficult mechanics to clear it, as happens in dungeons;
• when a boss is engaged, a "ring of judgement" spawns around the area and nobody from ouside can enter or use skills, can just watch the fight;
• if the inner group wipes, the boss says its disappointment for the unworty battle and despawn (to avoid people amass outside in the while to farm him then);
• (optional) watching the fight too much near the ring may be dangerous xDDD

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Nice idea in fact, BUT:
if said boss spawns next to me who is just innocently standing there logging and I get enmity from just standing in his line of sight, nobody from the outside can get in to help this poor botanist?
Should I throw logs and lumbers at him or defeat him while kissing him under a thavnairan mistletoe? Or am I doomed to death?

Because Odin and Behemoth are not world bosses....

Most of the "open world" areas are currently too small to have circles where you can't enter xD

Anyway this is not a open world oriented MMO. There are currently some "open world bosses"... In fates. That's all we'll have.

And I don't like the idea of those circles to be honest :p

I woud be up for open world bosses where anyone can join the fight. But those bosses only makes sense on an MMO with a big map with no teleports everywhere, in a game in wich explorations means something. Or it will just end like Guildwars 2 dragons and big bosses, with a lot of lag an spectacular boring fights.

(Yeah, or Odin and Behemot, wich are even worse, not espectacular boring fights with crappy lag :p where most players can't even see anything )

I prefer a FATE based boss over that, just give the battle some complicated mechanics, items, red circles, knockbacks, debuffs.

It just takes a good battle design and an interesting reward to make a good fate boss, no need to instance open world, i would like to have NMs and all, but if you want to make suggestions try using the game's systems, otherwise SE will just ignore or delete like they have been doing.

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Because Odin and Behemoth are not world bosses....

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They are sharing plain nothing with this idea. Please read the full OP, not only the title.

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if said boss spawns next to me who is just innocently standing there logging

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Enmity starts when there is a number of people around, not just one unlucky logger ;) Then, it is devs jobs, place them in correct places, so this problem can be avoided.

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Most of the "open world" areas are currently too small to have circles where you can't enter

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There are instead a lot of places containing big enough areas to fit a dungeon boss encounter. Wants something bigger? Sagolii desert.

Just bring back open world NMs. Both big scary bosses than will eat players who randomly wander on their way and low level bosses that can be soloed and drop some nice low level gear. Even 1.0 had NMs and there was no vicious competition for them. The game world is in desperate need for some life and danger and adventure in it.

I think that it would be a better idea to limit the claim for the party that attacked the monster first. Making it include everyone within the circle will just make it messy and not different from a FATE battle.

Open world bosses only work with pvp zones.... without pvp zones... open world bosses will be boring like hell.... meaning everyone can have acces to it... and meaning 200-400 peeps will swarm it... which makes it boring and fps drop.

But what they could add are world events. Meaning at a certain time, multie boss invasions will appear in several maps at the same time. It will prevents 200-400 people swarms.... and it will be a more challenging and fun fight.

I like overland boss encounters.

I don't like the OP's suggestion though.

Just do them like FATEs.

The problem with Odin and Behemoth is like... those boss dont stand a chance.... its just zerging...

bosses like mentioned in the op are much more fun than the zerg fest fates are currently.

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Originally Posted by Reishi

Nice idea in fact, BUT:
if said boss spawns next to me who is just innocently standing there logging and I get enmity from just standing in his line of sight, nobody from the outside can get in to help this poor botanist?
Should I throw logs and lumbers at him or defeat him while kissing him under a thavnairan mistletoe? Or am I doomed to death?

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As much as I don't like the idea of open world boss because of people would just abuse the system, your reason for boss aggro on a mining/logging job really is the least concern here, for many reasons

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... open world bosses will be boring like hell 200-400 peeps will swarm it...

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If the 400 players are the same as FATE runnings (random players with random classes, random gear and random levels), put them in a space large as Titan HM and make it start. Just count how many seconds passes before all of them being wiped.

I think the Open Wrold boss should have a max number.. lets say... 32 people?

Soon as the Boss pops, it creates that "blue fate circle".. anyone inside that circle will get a PF menu, where they can join as requested jobs. (first come first serve, you have 10 sec to job change and accept or the option goes to next in line)

like it Requests.... 6 Tanks, 8 Healers, 18 DDs.


Actually that would be a great idea!

but they have to make them difficult. Not to make this casual v hardcore but there needs to be some red tape around SOME of the boss in the over world if they add them.

Running around Sagoli desert and a massive worm pops up from the sand sending a shockwave/tremor throughout the entire zone. Any low-level people running around for a joyride through southern thanalan might be killed. You would need to know when its safe to go there (yes, even for gathering).

just an example.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

If the 400 players are the same as FATE runnings (random players with random classes, random gear and random levels), put them in a space large as Titan HM and make it start. Just count how many seconds passes before all of them being wiped.

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400 players on a space large as Titan would crush the game. We got a wide space for Odin and even though it's laggy as hell, guess what 400 players stacked on such a small place would look like on your screen when you cannot do anything anymore before you dc.

You got the point, even if a zerg run to the boss, not everyone will join.
The idea of a popup window asking if join the encounter, sounds great. First come, first served, max number of players, short timer then starts with all the signing ones. Better don't ask classes, or else we get waiting queue for tanks even there.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

You got the point, even if a zerg run to the boss, not everyone will join.
The idea of a popup window asking if join the encounter, sounds great. First come, first served, max number of players, short timer then starts with all the signing ones. Better don't ask classes, or else we get waiting queue for tanks even there.

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I mean, tanks will be needed, or it wil be a wipe.

I see tanks are more the willing to tank behemoth and Odin, it does not put too much stress on them, which means any decently geared tank would want to tank.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

I mean, tanks will be needed, or it wil be a wipe.

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You got the point again :)
Before go engage a random Boss wandering around, better go prepared. Engaing it imprepared, with no tanks or no healers, the wipe will be the reward :)

some open world pop item based boss targetable by the party that spawned would be nice. Like the old sky system or in auht ulghan or w/e its called.

No thanks. I'd even prefer Odin and Behemoth to be moved into their own dungeons or instances.

You mean like those World bosses in GW2?

(Still love GW2 and playing it because of their unique classes and World Boss Events. Though GW2 is very depeneded on Crafting the Best gear in endgame with mats only being obtainable through Endgame events, World Boss events, and Dungeons.)

I like this idea. I'd like a little more random danger in the world.

I'd much rather fate style bosses, perhaps with more interesting mechanics. Otherwise it just leads to ridiculous stuff like people getting angry when they don't claim, people claiming and holding and trying to charge gathered groups to pay them to be able to fight the boss (as often happened in ffxi) people using claim bots (also in ffxi) making it difficult for legitimate players to ever fight them, people trolling others especially if the boss despawns after a fight, someone can claim then wipe intentionally.

More interesting fate bosses would be great, have more rewards come from them, because as it stands the things you can buy from farming odin/behemoth are pretty lackluster. As someone mentioned earlier, some invasion events would be pretty neat too.

Let's see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Dijana

I'd much rather fate style bosses, perhaps with more interesting mechanics. Otherwise it just leads to ridiculous stuff like people getting angry when they don't claim, people claiming and holding and trying to charge gathered groups to pay them to be able to fight the boss (as often happened in ffxi) people using claim bots (also in ffxi) making it difficult for legitimate players to ever fight them, people trolling others especially if the boss despawns after a fight, someone can claim then wipe intentionally.

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1.0 had open world bosses and none of these issues were present. They just have to make them not drop the absolute best gear in game (like XI NMs did). I don't understand why they removed this feature from 2.0 as it brought at least some life to the game world.

For FATE bosses the issue is inclusiveness and there is no way to implement FATE bosses that can be attacked simultaneously by hundreds (or even dozens) of random players without it becoming a zerg-fest.

I actually liked Guild Wars 2's bounty hunts.

For those unfamiliar there were random named mobs wandering the world that a guild could task themselves with hunting. The mobs were not aggro unless engaged by the guild hunting the bounty. They would then start up an event on the spot to kill the target. And they were actually quite strong. They required a fair amount of skill from the guild hunting them, as well as numbers. But outside players could also help kill, or be killed. I'd personally make them aggressive though. There's something magical about being a lowbie and spotting something that, without a doubt in your mind, would kill you if you got too close (like really, do we actually need to tell the level 5 newbie who's killing ladybugs he can't take a housed size mass of fire spewing death?). I also find it more exciting seeing others run headlong into it, and looking forward to one day doing that yourself.

I do miss that sense of wonder I had in 1.0 when I was exploring areas I shouldn't have been. A dodo just ruined my day, obviously this field full of house sized toads, bombs, and peistes isn't going to be easier. Didn't need the monsters level on my UI to tell me that.

And please make it spawn once a week with +-3 days random offset, and at any time (Random. Deep night, when you are at work, doesn't matter). And make it drop some unique best equip, so whole server camps it.

P.S. Ideas are taken from Lineage2.

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Originally Posted by Sfarzoso

Because Odin and Behemoth are not world bosses....

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Originally Posted by Elvin

Most of the "open world" areas are currently too small to have circles where you can't enter xD

Anyway this is not a open world oriented MMO. There are currently some "open world bosses"... In fates. That's all we'll have.

And I don't like the idea of those circles to be honest :p

(Yeah, or Odin and Behemot, wich are even worse, not espectacular boring fights with crappy lag :p where most players can't even see anything )

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Once again the OP is giving outside the box thinking ideas and this is the same boring excuses people come up with. This is why the game will never go anywhere. Limitations are with the players as much as it is the game itself.

Player base gets too scared of not getting loot. They are afraid of rng already so open world loot is even more scary.

We did have something like that in Chimera/Hydra until they moved it to DF. Although it is more instanced than open world. There are some technical issues with it though. What if you have multiple groups engaging the same boss? Would u have multiple Chimera's on the same map? And if you make it so that only 1 can be engaged at any 1 time, then u'll have issues with ppl spawn camping and holding the boss and not letting others get in. On a side note, Sagolli desert sounds like the perfect place for Ruby Weapon. Once (and if) airships become craftable, we can engage the extreme version of Ultima Weapon in mid air.

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Originally Posted by Vique

On a side note, Sagolli desert sounds like the perfect place for Ruby Weapon. Once (and if) airships become craftable, we can engage the extreme version of Ultima Weapon in mid air.

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Would like some world bosses, or even better rare spawns!