So my main is an Arcanist...

I leveled my Arcanist to 50 as a Summoner. When I unlocked Scholar, I switched to that job & now I'm a little confused. Have I hampered my Scholar by putting all stat bonuses into Intelligence? I've only played as a Scholar for a short time, doing the job quest lines but I'm already level 50. This doesn't seem right. I have no idea what I'm doing as a scholar. Duty roulette here I come! Who's gonna be the lucky party to get me? :cool:

30 mind hit for scholar isn't that big of a deal. Learning to play the class will be your biggest factor in whether you pass a dungeon or not.

You can purchase an item from your GC called The Keeper's Hymn that will reset your stat points for 10,000 seals. Personally, I play smn main and have all of my points in int and can heal content on my sch just fine (although I have decent gear and relic on my sch to make things a bit easier). You should check the Healing forums and look up some Scholar guides that will give you some excellent macro suggestions and what spells/abilities you should be using so that you aren't fumbling around in Pharos Sirius :)

Thanks. I have a basic idea of what the scholar specific abilities are. I feel I've missed out on learning the nuances of the job by not leveling up as I did with Summoner.

Do you ever get to a point where your int is so much more than your mind stat, such that it makes sense to use the cleric stance for healing duty?

It doesn't make sense to use stance just yet, mind & int are only off by a few points. I'll need to get more scholar specific gear. At the moment I'm using Strategos head, body, feet, hands & darklight & hero caster accessories. Just things lying around with a retainer.

I have been wanting to lvl up my arcanist so bad and lvl up SMN and SCH and play both whenever I want to :).
I gear all my jobs and I have WHM 50 it was my second lvl 50 job since 1.0 and I play all my jobs so naturally I'd like to play as a decent SMN and SCH.
But since I learned that both jobs share the same Stats and they are two different style jobs I am worried now and have lost my excitement in lvling Arcanist...
I always play and gear my jobs as best I can and not having full MND or full INT on either my SCH or SMN is scary D:.

I do hope SE will either fix this later on in the game or in the future not make the same mistake again :/.
I'd hate to play THF with STR instead of DEX which might be THF's main stat in the future but who knows lol.

Also... I try telling Eos to tank like Titan-egi, but she says "noooo"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCRDskZrUMU

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Originally Posted by Xaimera

I do hope SE will either fix this later on in the game or in the future not make the same mistake again :/.
I'd hate to play THF with STR instead of DEX which might be THF's main stat in the future but who knows lol.

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It's not a mistake what they have done. What they've done is required you to make a choice. That's the design of it. The issue is that some players are min/maxers. But if that's a problem, then level an alt character and have 1 be SMN and 1 be SCH. When the 2nd job comes for all the other classes, you can level 1 set of Jobs on 1 character, and the other set on another.

Personally, I like that you can't be the best at everything. You can level up a variety of things, but to be the best or a master at something, that requires you to be more committed. Or, you can balance your skills and play each reasonably well but not being the best in either. Plus, gear and skill make up for any real loss in the stats, and for SMN and SCH, the INT can be far more beneficial for both whereas MND only really affects SCH.

If a merit point like system (from FFXI) comes in, I'd be quite content if it worked in a similar way. That, too, made you choose where you wanted to specialise. You did that by deciding what your main class was, and focusing on that one primarily.

If you absolutely want to play both, I recommend putting 15 in each. I am not comfortable and feel gimped if I put 30 into Int and then play sch so I only play smn. If I want to heal, I play whm.

The "mistake" is that they put that 10% boost and 20% penalty on the cleric stance applicable to the SCHs, that should only apply to WHMs. If it was just a straight up swap, then there is no issue. It would be sensible and straighforward to put all point in INT and when you want to switch roles, you switch stances.

There isn't a big difference in healing on SCH with a full int build over MND.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

There isn't a big difference in healing on SCH with a full int build over MND.

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well thats a relief! ^^ I can't wait to start lvling SCH and SMN :).

I guess ill go full INT then!

Thanks! :D

I wish Summoner could cross-class Cleric Stance, because then you can just dump everything in MND when leveling up.

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Originally Posted by Themis

The issue is that some players are min/maxers.

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Yeah, and usually it's the min/maxers that are telling players like the OP that they're gimp if they don't put all 30 into INT or MND as appropriate.

That said, +30 to either stat is not an insignificant percentage of a 50s' INT or MND so it's not easy to dismiss it; it's not like a case of, say, 0.1% which the min/maxers argue is huge when in fact it's entirely worthless, FFXI's +1 gear being a classic example of min/max hyperbole out of control.

MND affects: Physick, Succor and Adloquium.
INT affects: Embrace and Whispering Dawn.

So you're either gimping yourself somewhat or your fairy.

I main SMN, and I usually heal on WHM, tried SCH a little but never got into it, but recently I'm curious and want to try it again. However, I really don't want to have to gimp my SMN (which I run coil T1-5 with weekly) and really don't want to be switching stats every week. Plus, no doubt I'll get bored of SCH again and just stick to WHM. Judging from this thread, it's probably safe to dabble on my SCH without switching all the stats around... I really wish they were separate though. :/

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Originally Posted by Foo01

The "mistake" is that they put that 10% boost and 20% penalty on the cleric stance applicable to the SCHs, that should only apply to WHMs. If it was just a straight up swap, then there is no issue. It would be sensible and straighforward to put all point in INT and when you want to switch roles, you switch stances.

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It's not a mistake, because that's not the point of Cleric Stance.

Cleric Stance doesn't exist so that Arcanists can cheat the bonus attribute points, it exists so that healers can have some semblance of damage so they can do solo content (like quests and story missions), because nearly ALL of their endgame gear is focused on MND.

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

I wish Summoner could cross-class Cleric Stance, because then you can just dump everything in MND when leveling up.

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See above. Plus, SMN's endgame gear (and a couple of their leveling gear pieces) are entirely INT based. They have no need for Cleric Stance.

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Originally Posted by Foo01

Do you ever get to a point where your int is so much more than your mind stat, such that it makes sense to use the cleric stance for healing duty?

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Nope. Cleric stance reduces your healing potency by 20%, beside swapping INT and MND. It's meant to be a boost if you want to deal some additional damage as a healer, not to compensate builds.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

Also... I try telling Eos to tank like Titan-egi, but she says "noooo"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCRDskZrUMU

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this dog doesnt say "no" he says "ooooouch"..... disgusting video.

this is an animal.. and not a human saying "No"..


but well.. offtopic.

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Originally Posted by ninthfantasy

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Stats are seperate between classes. They're only shared when two jobs are on the same class like SMN and SCH. You can lvl SCH without having to worry about your WHM stats.