Anyone know of an accurate/reliable guide/chart? Google search gives me like 10 different versions.
Also want some advice for double Weights. I play on a toaster (average 15 FPS) and stacked plumes drop my FPS to 10 (at which point I move really slow), so I usually stay in the back and start moving about half a second before WotL starts channeling. It works in HM but it seems to be a bad idea in EX. Is there anything else I can do without destroying the arena for everyone else?
Titan EX Rotation?
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03-16-2014, 01:04 AMLyrinnTitan EX Rotation?
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03-16-2014, 11:45 PMLordSaviour
http://i.imgur.com/SMDq6Ju.jpg
Pop Sprint before Plumes and run like you've never ran before, keep running even if your screen shows you out of animations. -
03-17-2014, 01:13 AMFallenWings
Phase 1
Landslide, Weight of Land, Mountain Buster, Stomps, Landslide, Mountain Buster, Weight of Land --- Personal experience ends here.
Phase 2
Landslide, Granite Gaol, Mountain Buster, Upheaval, Landslide, Stomps, Weight of Land, Mountain Buster, Landslide, Weight of Land, Mountain Buster, 2/3 Map Bombs, Landslide, Granite Gaols, Mountain Buster, Upheaval, Landslide, Stomps, Weight of Land, Mountain Buster, Circle Bombs --- Personal experience ends here.
Heart Phase
Weight of Land, Granite Gaol, Rock Buster, Upheaval, Landslide, Stomps, Weight of Land, Rock Buster, Circle Bombs, Landslide, Stomps, Weight of Land, Earthen Fury
Post heart phase
Granite Gaolers, Mountain Buster, Row Bombs, Landslide, Mountain Buster, Weight of Land, Granite Gaol, Mountain Buster, Upheaval, Landslide, Stomps, Double Weight of Land, Mountain Buster, Row Bombs, Landslide, Mountain Buster, Super Bombs, Stomps, Weight of Land, >Titan Jump<, Landslide, repeat entire phase. (Granite Gaoler, Mountain Buster, Row Bombs etc.) -
03-17-2014, 05:12 PMGrotesque
Buy a better PC and don't be a pain in the ass for the rest of your group. 10-15 FPS? Almost unplayable in Titan.
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03-17-2014, 05:39 PMDuuude007
Keep in mind that if you survive 2 super bombs... the next move after Geocrush is his enrage mode: upheaval.
Guaranteed wipe, as he performs it dead center of the arena.
Funny as hell, the first time I saw it. -
03-17-2014, 05:44 PMRyukoTitan (extreme) can enrage...? :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
Anyway, that first chart that was posted is pretty accurate, with the only exception being phase one. The four moves that rotate change slightly, as described by Fallen Wings. Phase two starts over with the gaol going into its normal rotation (the chart also slightly messes that up).
If your FPS is dropping to 10-15 in Titan and you can't turn your settings down any more, I think it's time to buy a new computer or consider playing on PS3/PS4. Simply memorizing moves and running ahead of time is going to give you issues in the later phases, especially during the beginning of the last phase when you need to stack and move for bombs while at the same time killing adds. It's pretty hectic at that point, with a lot happening on your screen. I wouldn't at all be surprised if you end up eating a bomb during that phase, or accidentally dying to plumes simply because things aren't loading fast enough for you. It's really important that you don't move ahead of time in Titan extreme (unlike hard) because the arena is simply too small to accommodate that. Also, you may mpk your party if you run too soon for double plumes. -
03-17-2014, 07:17 PMGrotesque
Yes Titan (and Ifrit) enrage. Titan enrages after two complete last phase rotations, dunno whether Garuda also enrages after some number of rotations.
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03-18-2014, 01:16 AMLyrinnYet I have no problems dodging everything (so what does that say about everyone else who can't dodge?) or keeping up with heals. Stacked Weights is the only thing that drops me down to 10 but staying in the back and/or Sprint helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grotesque
In any case, I appreciate the help, FallenWings. Found a practice group to run it with and we were able to consistently make it through heart phase, though half of us kept forgetting about the last set of Weights so we never got far in phase 4. Fortunately, there's enough space in the back for me to draw my own Weight as long as everyone else who's stacking dodges to the side instead of back. I'll see about super bombs when I get to it. -
03-18-2014, 08:17 AMFendredYeah, I've never seen Garuda enrage either. However, I have seen her use additional air barrages (or whatever they are called) from other cardinal directions besides the north in phase 1 when dps was fairly low, which generally causes a wipe because people don't expect it to happen :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Grotesque
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03-18-2014, 08:03 PMEmpressiano, 2nd superbombs > 3rd egis > non stop upheavalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
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03-18-2014, 08:34 PMFallenWings
What you and your group can do to help with evading weight of lands is set designated areas where designated players would stand for Weight of Lands, splitting the weights to 1/2 each area reducing the total damage should you get caught.
For example.
North: MT , Titan, OT behind titan
East: DPS, Healer
West: DPS, Healer
South: DPS, DPS
Use waymarks to mark areas. Keep the waymarks in the orange centre. Goodluck!
Best used when you and the team have memorized the entire rotation so you know when to expect WotL
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03-18-2014, 11:57 PMLemon8orWhy have different strategies for different phases? People would get confused and be like omg which phase is this, where do I go. One consistent strategy for the whole fight for the same mechanics is fine. If one person is lagging, maybe they shouldn't attempt it at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenWings
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03-19-2014, 01:56 AMFallenWingsThe point of it is to remove the risk of getting lol7wotlinstagib for preheart phase WoTL for people who have trouble dodging WoTL perfectly or suddenly encountered an unexpected lag spike allowing them to live through it maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon8or
If people are confused about which phase is which after very clear phase transitions (titan jumps, new rotation) they wouldn't be fairing any better either way.
Its not exactly complicated either. Split WoTL pre-heart phases, Use 'normal' everyone stack behind titan post-heart.
Sometimes you don't have to follow a video guide step for step and can make or alter strategies that work for your group. -
03-19-2014, 02:10 AMLemon8or
Yeah but if people can't get past the lol7wotlinstagib in pre-heart, they can't get past double lol7wotlinstagib after heart neither. :/ So why make a strategy to prevent failure at one part when another strategy works for all of them? Also you're calling for at least 2 range DPS instead of whoever is capable. Titan is not a melee unfriendly fight. Why are you trying to make it unfriendly?
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03-19-2014, 02:54 AMFallenWings
Its to help mitigate those times you have one unsuspected lag spike in pre heart phases. If it helps why not?
If they can dodge using my suggested method how is the full stack any different besides a guaranteed death to anyone besides the tank should they lag at that specific moment. If you were getting hit by the split weights that most likely brought you down to below 20% hp you would still do everything in your power to avoid that because you can anyways. The full stack is unnecessary punishment if there are alternatives. It's really not a big different strategy since you're dodging one move differently.
Just because it can work for all phases doesn't means its the best for all phases.
In regards to the dps. Once again, it doesn't have to be strictly like my suggested designation. Both healers can be at South so the 4 melee dps are closer to titan to reconnect. (Not that should be any issue since a 2 sec disconnect has minimal consequences. People also stop attacking entirely to dodge WotL using the full stack method)
I'm not trying to invalidate the "traditional" method. Just giving an alternate route be it harder or easier that can possibly help certain groups achieve the same end result; a clear. Be flexible!
... New idea to help with post heart that is similiar. 2 stack West, 4 stack south, puddles east. -
03-19-2014, 03:38 AMLemon8orUhm no. I don't stop DPSing at all when I stack and I know for sure people don't neither. BLM can DPS with Scathe, SMN can use Ruin2 during WoTL, everyone else just go on with their DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenWings
This helps the 2 that stack West but put the 4 that stacks South in the same boat as stacked plumes. Getting hit by 2 plumes usually mean death cause plumes do 2.7k-3k damage iirc. So eating 2 plumes or all plumes are no different. Also, if you do that during double plumes, the second plume set will be stacked at center.Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenWings
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03-19-2014, 10:17 AMFallenWings
Sorry about the misunderstanding (typing on a mobile device at 5am in the morning can get a little hnnnnnnnnnngggghjkkl). Some people stop dpsing for a split second because they want to focus on dodging WotL. Its not a humongous DPS loss as GL stacks and combo potentials last long enough. I agree that its better to maintain dps when dodging but what good is a dead dps. If it helps then it helps simple as that. What difference would it make for range DPS if they were using my suggested strategy as opposed to the full stack? Not to mention its sometimes better to halt for a bit to secure positional moves as a melee dps, Demolish(When not clipping)>Snap Punch and the Dragoon combo positional lock (does not has a high level drg yet soz).
The main point is that at least 2 people don't have to deal with lethal stacks. I don't remember individual WotLs doing that much. But I'm unsubbed at the moment so can't test it out. I remember my 8.4khp warrior can survive lol7wotlinstagib with less than 10% hp left and my 4.4k monk can survive 2. When using the fullstack method you can't guarantee that everyone will be dodging in different directions putting up the possibility that you have to dodge another full stack. My suggestion at the very least ensures that the first set, 2 people can have a non lethal WotL stack.
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03-19-2014, 11:51 PMLemon8or
You probably had Lustrate and Stoneskin on, assuming you get hit at the start of the battle. I just did Titan EX last night and it hit 2.7k single on my monk. There are also not 7, maybe like 5 plumes iirc. I just use that term cause you used it. I see how it can help for 2 people with a known sporadic lag spike but I guess I'm just used to playing with people that dodge well and have good connection at this point. Though a problem I could see is that there's little time to bait the weight of the land in the configuration you suggest after tumult where cure 3 is indisputably best.