DPS-ing as a healer.

I'm just wondering if anybody has actually tried this. With Cleric Stance, SCH/WHM basically becomes a DPS class. Now I'm not saying we are going to be the top all the time, but I'm wondering if anybody has tried some of the endgame content DPS-ing as a SCH or WHM.

Share your stories here.;)

I used to do this when I didn't have any viable DD job at 50, for fun. As in, having 2 healers in the party already and going in a 8-man instance as a 3rd healer designated to DPS 100% of the time. Sure, Summoner is great, but not when you have 30 MND and are not that geared to begin with. That being said, the content I've done this for has been pretty trivial when all is said and done. Titan HM, Garuda EX - stuff of that ilk. It's pretty fun but underwhelming in the end, because if you optimize your play (mainly on a SCH), you'll have the time to off-DPS while doing your healing duties as well as you are required to do. :) More engaging!

I'm the most boring person ever so I haven't really partaken in any of those "6 scholars, 2 tanks" -like festivities, but that would be fun. Pretty sure I saw a video of that for Titan EX and Ifrit EX. Hmm, might be a good idea while waiting for 2.2 to do something silly but fun like that!

It is not actually unheard of nor uncommon for healers to have sort DPS bursts.
My friends in particular always have the resident White Mage use her Holy when a lot of things need to die fast (normally one or two while the scholar goes overdrive) and the best scholar of the team normally finds some time to drop a couple of DoTs on things while things are slowing down.

And in slightly more trivial dungeons like WP we've done 4-WHM runs before and sincerely as i've levelled Scholar I've spend ALL the time DPSing on dungeons.

Yeah, easily. Though it's more viable as a SCH because you can change stance, dot, then go back again. WHM's DOT's are short lived and the rest are attacks themselves.

For Titan EX our SCH pretty much sat on Cleric Stance for 90% of the fight.

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Originally Posted by CalvatE

For Titan EX our SCH pretty much sat on Cleric Stance for 90% of the fight.

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This is what I do. Although this has caused wipes so many times for an odd reason actually.... DPS was too good and he gets pushed to a different phase during goals and 1 healer gets trapped where the area falls off sometimes. Bad times indeed

DPS is an acronym that stands for damage per second.

It is a unit of measure, not a noun or a verb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Units_of_measurement

Allow me to correct your thread title:

"Doing 50 or more DPS as a healer"
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"Doing substantial DPS as a healer"
or
"Doing meaningful DPS as a healer"


You're welcome.

For SCH dps, I have explored and reached all heights. Some of my "personal" achievements:

On Garuda Extreme, my best is usually around 120-140 dps while solo healing.

On Titan Extreme, my best was 200 dps while "assisting" with heals in cleric stance. We 6 manned it with me and 2 other dps, the other two were carries who died at the start.

Have done CT solo heal from start to end, but dps'ing at the same time can suck here because of boss mechanics. No impressive numbers to report, but I haven't tested it much. Can't stomach too much CT.

I also dps 90% of Turn 1/2 to speed them up since they're boring as hell now. Though it's lower dps because of missed attacks, low accuracy. With the rumored (or confirmed?) i90 crafts for 2.2, I will work on getting my accuracy up with i90 overmelds. That should help with farming lower content faster and might consider stacking other secondary stats to go with high crit rate.

Though keep in mind, my dps stats are with my 12/12 BiS (allagan weapon). With current BiS for both WHM/SCH, 200 dps is probably the "top end" as tested on dummies and won't be beat until new 2.2 gear.
That's pretty much all you need to know.

ran 2 whm wp sr before, i like the setup, mobs seem to go down very fast with holy, bosses however seemed to take a little longer.

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Originally Posted by RightMSJ

DPS is an acronym that stands for damage per second.

It is a unit of measure, not a noun or a verb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Units_of_measurement

Allow me to correct your thread title:

"Doing 50 or more DPS as a healer"
or
"Doing substantial DPS as a healer"
or
"Doing meaningful DPS as a healer"


You're welcome.

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How do you sleep at night after running dungeons which require the DPS to DPS the DPS phase as quick as possible?

"the DPS" should be called damage dealers or DD's... I'm sick of the rampant misuse of the DPS label. Every job has a DPS, even if its crap.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

"the DPS" should be called damage dealers or DD's... I'm sick of the rampant misuse of the DPS label. Every job has a DPS, even if its crap.

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Dude.. it's just semantics. The same could be said for "damage dealer". "Every job deals damage, even if it's crap".

this was meant to be a thread for DPS stories form healers, not a place to argue what DPS means.

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Originally Posted by Laurell

How do you sleep at night after running dungeons which require the DPS to DPS the DPS phase as quick as possible?

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this made me legitimately LOL.

on topic:
when i'm a SCH, my general rule of thumbs for guaranteed safe DPS usually involve those sexy Adlo crits. these rules of thumb, though, are mainly for boss fights. in dungeons, theres a lot more opportunities

- there's usually enough time to safely put 2/3 dots (bio2/mia/bio) on with a standard adlo crit
- " " " " " " " 3/4 dots (bio2/mia/bio/aero) with and adlo crit if there is one other contributing mitigation factor (i.e. the tank used a cooldown, whm happened to throw a SS for whatever reason, you get the idea)
- " " " " " " " all dots (bio2/mia/bio/aero/shadow) with an adlo crit and 2/3 other contributing mitigation factors (i.e. tank uses a cooldown and i pop a virus/e4e)
- " " " " " " " all dots (bio2/mia/bio/aero/shadow) +a ruin2/energy-drain or so with 3+ contributing mitigation factors

these are just my general rules of thumb. i'm not the most experienced SCH, so i could probably be doing it better.

I throw out the occasional holy every now and then. other than that I never dps! I focus on what role I queued for

u don't really see any healing as a dps'er now do u! lol

As a sch I'm always going in an out of cleric stance depending on the content. If its something easy like CT, I'm 90% cleric stance, with Selene out. If its t4, I have Eos out, but I cleric stance during the phases with lots of mobs, so I can dot them up, bane, shadowflare, miasma II etc.

Its nice when you're in an FC that's on TS, so you can tell your other healer, hey I'm thinking about doing this.

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Originally Posted by Deceived

Dude.. it's just semantics. The same could be said for "damage dealer". "Every job deals damage, even if it's crap".

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But every job is not a DD. Every job can tank, every job can heal, but we still call tanks and healers tanks and healers. DPS is a statistic, not a role. I sometimes think people miss concepts on purpose.

More on topic: I run around in CS when fairies have at least Rouse on, no matter what content I'm in. I think it would easier for most scholars to list situations where they turn it off. Run with it on 24/7 and if you run into a problem where someone falls over, call them lazy, but then turn it off for that part next time.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

"the DPS" should be called damage dealers or DD's... I'm sick of the rampant misuse of the DPS label. Every job has a DPS, even if its crap.

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To bad in FF14 DPS classes are called DPS and not DD's. Go look in game tard.

http://i.imgur.com/ehXXz0m.png

Get a dog up ya.

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

To bad in FF14 DPS classes are called DPS and not DD's.

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Pretty much this.

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Originally Posted by RightMSJ

DPS is an acronym that stands for damage per second.

It is a unit of measure, not a noun or a verb.

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It are no matter that DPS is "not a noun or a verb" like you claim, because it are not used how you think it should be used in video games. Yes, DPS are stand for "damage per second", but in video games (MMO in particular) it IS a noun or verb. It are not just an acronym.

Who didn't see this thread getting trolled?

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

But every job is not a DD.

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DD = Damage Dealer, and yes, every job can deal damage.

This thread is so full of intentional stupid. I'm done. To the person who said the game uses the label DPS, Uh... duh and/or hello. I know this. I play the game every day. This is part of the rampant misuse of the label.

I'm over everyone who is a jerk on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

whine

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Hah....only stupidity here is the argument itself. While it started a correction of phrase for specific types of DPS, you had to chime in with a $3 bills worth of input of what you think has more sense than a decade old acronym. I guess one really can't choose their own wisdom.

Glad you're gone.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

This thread is so full of intentional stupid. I'm done. To the person who said the game uses the label DPS, Uh... duh and/or hello. I know this. I play the game every day. This is part of the rampant misuse of the label.

I'm over everyone who is a jerk on purpose.

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http://i.imgur.com/11kGfWu.jpg

I dps only while doing content where everyone (especially me) is familiar with it, just to speed things up a bit. In all other cases, I try NOT to dps, because in my experience, it's better to save mp and/or be ready for potential errors then adding a bit to overall damage dealt (which would probably hardly even matter). I believe, contrary to popular belief, that ultimately what makes good healer a great one (people often say it's doing dps as healer) is when you can heal/save situations where not everything goes right. In those cases, you could be missing mp, or your heal could land just 1-2 seconds later due to switching out of CS and this might be enough for people to die. People will recall you as a great healer not because you could switch in and out of CS every 5 seconds. That said, doing dps is fun, and if you comfortable with your healing, your party can benefit from it (for example in Garuda ex, going 1 heal, you can start in CS and dps to skip the very 1st friction completely).

To sum it up:

farm/easy content - go CS and dps
progression/hard content - focus on healing and save mp

edit: Hopefully, we can get this thread back to it's rails, the amount of pictures where kids wear sunglasses is overwheling. :)

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Originally Posted by Heofonum

Hah....only stupidity here is the argument itself. While it started a correction of phrase for specific types of DPS, you had to chime in with a $3 bills worth of input of what you think has more sense than a decade old acronym. I guess one really can't choose their own wisdom.

Glad you're gone.

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DD is older than DPS for describing roles. Go back 30 years instead of ten, kiddo.

Sort of funny you post this, As i have pretty much leveled whm all the way by mainly doing dps, lol
even some players have had trouble getting agro away from me.
I started of conj as i just wanted the mount, well turns out i leveled all the way. lol

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Originally Posted by RightMSJ

DPS is an acronym that stands for damage per second.

It is a unit of measure, not a noun or a verb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Units_of_measurement

Allow me to correct your thread title:

"Doing 50 or more DPS as a healer"
or
"Doing substantial DPS as a healer"
or
"Doing meaningful DPS as a healer"


You're welcome.

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So.. do you say "Mob Aggro Holder"? No? Then STFU.

Quit being a nuisance. The term FFXIV:ARR uses is DPS. Deal with it. You can't decide what they chose is stupid and correct people based on your preference. If they wanted to call the role BeachBallFlingers you would have to deal with me calling it that.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

This thread is so full of intentional stupid. I'm done. To the person who said the game uses the label DPS, Uh... duh and/or hello. I know this. I play the game every day. This is part of the rampant misuse of the label.

I'm over everyone who is a jerk on purpose.

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Some dictionaries have literally included the word "figuratively" in the definition of "literally." The world is full of intentional stupid. It would be stupid to fight such overwhelming odds. Join the stupid.

I just won the interwebz

In places where my Regen or Fairy can do most of the work, I always Cleric Stance and help with DPS. Aero and Stone for WHM, DOTs and Shadow Flare for SCH(if there's no SMN). I'm usually in full healing mode in Coil, except in T4 where I Holy to help with DPS at times (with Mages Ballad) of course.

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Originally Posted by TurnBased

DOTs and Shadow Flare for SCH(if there's no SMN).

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Shadow Flares stack so I dunno why you wouldn't do it just because somebody else is.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

This thread is so full of intentional stupid. I'm done. To the person who said the game uses the label DPS, Uh... duh and/or hello. I know this. I play the game every day. This is part of the rampant misuse of the label.

I'm over everyone who is a jerk on purpose.

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$20 Peptaru are these two people raging over the acronym for years...: Thread 1 and Thread 2