[Dev1036] Distribution of loot for 1.18

So currently when items drop from faction leves, open-world nms, chests ect, they are distributed randomly to whoever is in the party. Now this may not be a huge issue to linkshells who run events (even though it is an extremely sloppy way of going about distribution) but what about pick up groups where there really wont be a semblance of organization or authority?

Do the Devs have plans to change how the distribution of loot in handled in these areas? Why not bring back the /random or /roll features? What about Masterloot or Quartermaster? I don't want to be doing raid battles, have loot drop and only have the person who's loot pool it dropped into be able to see if it's worth a damn and then have to ask them to pass it to another member if need be.

Thank you kindly for any answer they can give.

It's a good point.

But wouldn't you be going in (most of the time) with your friends in your linkshell? Then they would say oop that piece goes to that person. Joe bob please give that to jimmy jones, and hopefully he does. This is what we did for the NM drops.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

It's a good point.

But wouldn't you be going in (most of the time) with your friends in your linkshell? Then they would say oop that piece goes to that person. Joe bob please give that to jimmy jones, and hopefully he does. This is what we did for the NM drops.

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Our linkshell like most others has a system for the distribution of loot. Call it DKP, Loot Council, Zero-Sum, Suicide Kings whatever - there is still a system. The main problem is that you cannot see what is in other peoples loot lists, so it makes it extremely inconvenient for people who need to see what dropped, analyze it, and decide to bid/roll on it; or for an officer to decide who it needs to go to. The system is sloppy beyond belief and needs to be more organized/accurate.

The Chat log let's you know who got what when it drops.

But ya, if you miss it the first time you have no way of looking at their bag.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

The Chat log let's you know who got what when it drops.

But ya, if you miss it the first time you have no way of looking at their bag.

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no I get that, I really do lol and it's not so much about who got the loot it's about people needing to see the stats/level/favor ect of gear w/o having to pull up xivpro and look at it. (at least on our side)

Also more control when the officer/raid leader needs to be the one distributing. If the current system stays the same I foresee many pick up groups getting items ninja'd.

There's going to be drama from people taking things that should rightfully go to another place. Given the way the forums are going, there will be a lot of people complaining about wanting some sort of loot structure once the current system gets abused.

Please do not lock jobs to the weapon class that unlocks them.

The loot system currently implemented is awful. I think (hope?) it goes without saying that this needs to be modified.

First off, Chinook is why nobody likes Canada.

Second off, this is the worst loot rules in the history of loot rules. I mean, basically, there are no loot rules. No one in their right mind would PUG any instance in this game until something is fixed.

Just add the basic options that every other game on the planet has. It's very simple.

If Yoshi wants to take it a step further and allow item linking (and items automatically linking when dropped) that would be the biggest news for FFXIV since the jump button.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

It's a good point.

But wouldn't you be going in (most of the time) with your friends in your linkshell? Then they would say oop that piece goes to that person. Joe bob please give that to jimmy jones, and hopefully he does. This is what we did for the NM drops.

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Well since you need to have exactly 8 members for dungeons I suspect some groups are going to have to pick-up randoms. The current loot system turns that into a complete nightmare scenario

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biggest news for FFXIV since the jump button.

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/10char lulul

Even tho we are relatively stupid, we agree that there should be more options or a better system overall.

I suspect it might come in the upcoming UI adjustments (or at least I hope so). Dev feedback would be nice.

I agree, we need more loot distribution methods. The more the better. :)

I don't understand why the XI system didn't make it in here. There was no reason to re-invent the wheel on this one.

This is a mandatory function of any MMO. I'm sure its going to get implemented but this thread needs more attention to make sure its not one of those "in 2011" things like delivery box was back at launch er.. wait in "2012" now?

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Originally Posted by Richard

So currently when items drop from faction leves, open-world nms, chests ect, they are distributed randomly to whoever is in the party. Now this may not be a huge issue to linkshells who run events (even though it is an extremely sloppy way of going about distribution) but what about pick up groups where there really wont be a semblance of organization or authority?

Do the Devs have plans to change how the distribution of loot in handled in these areas? Why not bring back the /random or /roll features? What about Masterloot or Quartermaster? I don't want to be doing raid battles, have loot drop and only have the person who's loot pool it dropped into be able to see if it's worth a damn and then have to ask them to pass it to another member if need be.

Thank you kindly for any answer they can give.

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more ideas focused towards solo players.
I know my statement contradicts itself cause you are talking about party drops. However if you normally play in a party then you prob have a LS and you prob party with them in which case they would know what you want. The pick up group is the solo method of finding a party(in most cases).

if any game got end-game contents, it must have some kind of loot system.

**cough ** got d/c after the rare/ex item droped in my bag **cough**

Oh sorry bud, I just got d/c .. where is the item? who got it? oh me? how come? shit I got d/c ...

hahah, I never had such things, but expect anything :)

Yea a better loot system is a must for end-game/raid, whatever you want to call it, events/dungeons.

I agree with the sentiments posted in this thread regarding overhauling the loot distribution system. I think loot first needs to have color coded text so people can categorize their rarity and epicness, then create a system where the party leader or quartermaster can decide what categories gets distributed how, and how/when stuff is rolled upon, passed on, etc.

The dev. team is looking into the overall lotting system, but since the changes and adjustments to the battle system are a higher priority, it’s going to take a bit of time before they can fully address it.

See Bayohne I know you are just the messenger but here is one thing I don't get from the Dev Team. Remember that post/letter a while back talking about how they have different teams for specific tasks. You can't tell me all the teams decided to work on the Battle System only. I don't believe that one bit and is very misleading. Why is there not multiple projects going on to make the fundamental aspects of the game important other than the battle system. It's so freaking frustrating having to wait 1 full year for this game to go anywhere.

Having raid dungeons and a loot system to coincide with each other at launch is not important? since when? I mean are you kidding me. This is what annoys me about SE is their priorities are completely ass backwards.

I can live without a mount system for the time being because we have a means of travel. But i'm pretty sure loot distribution management is important in a raid/dungeon.

Just my 2 cents.. for what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

It's a good point.

But wouldn't you be going in (most of the time) with your friends in your linkshell? Then they would say oop that piece goes to that person. Joe bob please give that to jimmy jones, and hopefully he does. This is what we did for the NM drops.

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well... no
who says your LS is always up for doing anything? alot of times my FFXI LS did extra things i had absolutely no interest in... which is where pick up groups come in.
thank god SE is going to implement easier ways for P.U.G.s to happen for those being left alone by their LS

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Originally Posted by DGMart

See Bayohne I know you are just the messenger but here is one thing I don't get from the Dev Team. Remember that post/letter a while back talking about how they have different teams for specific tasks. You can't tell me all the teams decided to work on the Battle System only. I don't believe that one bit and is very misleading. Why is there not multiple projects going on to make the fundamental aspects of the game important other than the battle system. It's so freaking frustrating having to wait 1 full year for this game to go anywhere.

Having raid dungeons and a loot system to coincide with each other at launch is not important? since when? I mean are you kidding me. This is what annoys me about SE is their priorities are completely ass backwards.

I can live without a mount system for the time being because we have a means of travel. But i'm pretty sure loot distribution management is important in a raid/dungeon.

Just my 2 cents.. for what it's worth.

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I love you... I really do.

And back in easter when me and other ppl was saying that developing a seasonal event was a waste of time they bashed on us...

Oh and BTW I've got another question a bit OT: if what's considered a priority takes 7 months to be fixed, I'd like to know if we can see the rest fixed too before the apocalipse.
Thanks.

bayh...., matt , what ever.

what is it that you do all day?

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Originally Posted by DGMart

You can't tell me all the teams decided to work on the Battle System only. I don't believe that one bit and is very misleading. Why is there not multiple projects going on to make the fundamental aspects of the game important other than the battle system.

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I've been asking myself this many times. It's like the other teams are on vacation or working on other titles, while the battle team is working on the overhaul. At least that's what it feels like.

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Originally Posted by DGMart

See Bayohne I know you are just the messenger but here is one thing I don't get from the Dev Team. Remember that post/letter a while back talking about how they have different teams for specific tasks. You can't tell me all the teams decided to work on the Battle System only. I don't believe that one bit and is very misleading. Why is there not multiple projects going on to make the fundamental aspects of the game important other than the battle system. It's so freaking frustrating having to wait 1 full year for this game to go anywhere.

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There are multiple teams, but they're not likely divided into certain tasks. They're more likely divided into separate groups with different skills. Animation team, cutscene team, interface/UI team etc....

So while each team has different capabilities, they can all be working on a single goal at a time. UI team could be having to deal with battle related issues, such as adding that cooldown onto the action bars and removing the stamina gauge.

Also, the initial development period takes awhile. All this planning and preparation is leading to something. It is likely they are developing content for future updates along with current updates. Which leads to faster patches in the future, but also means we will have to wait a longer initial period for the first few updates.

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Originally Posted by DGMart

See Bayohne I know you are just the messenger but here is one thing I don't get from the Dev Team. Remember that post/letter a while back talking about how they have different teams for specific tasks. You can't tell me all the teams decided to work on the Battle System only. I don't believe that one bit and is very misleading. Why is there not multiple projects going on to make the fundamental aspects of the game important other than the battle system. It's so freaking frustrating having to wait 1 full year for this game to go anywhere.

Having raid dungeons and a loot system to coincide with each other at launch is not important? since when? I mean are you kidding me. This is what annoys me about SE is their priorities are completely ass backwards.

I can live without a mount system for the time being because we have a means of travel. But i'm pretty sure loot distribution management is important in a raid/dungeon.

Just my 2 cents.. for what it's worth.

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While for the most part I agree with you. A loot system is part of the battle system, so it is probably the battle team that handle it. The different teams are more general things like graphics/ui/battle/crafting/story/etc. There is only so much a single team can do at a time, and right now with all the changes they are working on the battle team seems pretty bottle-necked.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

The dev. team is looking into the overall lotting system, but since the changes and adjustments to the battle system are a higher priority, it’s going to take a bit of time before they can fully address it.

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Thanks for the update. :)

Then add more resources to the team.. I've played since closed beta with many others and I'm almost at the point where I just don't care anymore. I've been so very patient and loyal to this game that with every month that goes by I get even more irritated. I want this game to have a great turn-a-round but I have my doubts. I've been extremely optimistic and defended this game (non fanboy) to no end but reality is starting to finally kick in.

I only speak for myself here in that I will give this game till the end of the year and just cut my losses from the collectors edition. :(

I can't even begin to understand how a dungeon/raid system is being put into the game without some sort of lotting system. Holy freaking crap, you guys have no idea of the tidal wave of drama that is getting ready to slam into this game come 1.18.

I don't mean to sound rude or immature, this is down right idiotic and a massive fail. What the hell is going on over there?

Having the possibility for the group leader to switch to a Need/Greed/Pass or similar system would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Burn

I can't even begin to understand how a dungeon/raid system is being put into the game without some sort of lotting system. Holy freaking crap, you guys have no idea of the tidal wave of drama that is getting ready to slam into this game come 1.18.

I don't mean to sound rude or immature, this is down right idiotic and a massive fail. What the hell is going on over there?

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This along with a half a**ed LFP seek system. They say they want core fixes before they add content but we still don't have these among a ton of other stuff. If they expect us to run with LS's, can't they at least add more LS management and/or better ui?! With none of these fixes in, the game dungeons SHOULD NOT be added.

Yes we need content but it's been nearly a year and we still don't have basics such as these... we don't even have a mail system in game still lmao and as was said not EVERY team can be or is working on battle readjustments. In the time it takes to add one dungeon (Even a copy paste one for mobs and tunnels which it prob will end up being... doubt even the nm's will be that different aside from size n colors) they could have spent and have done all these basic much needed mmo fixes... *sigh*

This thread needs more people complaining about how they would rather have a more organized means of distributing their epic lootz, over having actual enjoyable content to acquire said epic lootz.

/WHITEKNIGHT

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

This thread needs more people complaining about how they would rather have a more organized means of distributing their epic lootz, rather then having actual enjoyable content to acquire said epic lootz.

/WHITEKNIGHT

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The two should be hand-in-hand.
I can't believe that they were blinkered enough to implement the battle changes and dungeons etc to obtain new gear and "loot", without having a system to handle the distribution of loot to the people participating for it. Pretty important.... But, then so are many things such as Linkshell adminstration options to handle having "event" Linkshells running for content and we all know how high up on their priority list that is too ><

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

This thread needs more people complaining about how they would rather have a more organized means of distributing their epic lootz, over having actual enjoyable content to acquire said epic lootz.

/WHITEKNIGHT

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As has been stated... A good loot system goes hand in hand with "Enjoyable" dungeon content... If you don't know the reason well.... I got nothing for you lol Aside from telling you to see the shyt storm yourself with pugs, plus with dungeons being TIMED I'm sure there will be people who don't wanna waste time dilly dallying on such minute tasks such as stopping to talk about/do loot distribution rather than spending their limited time clearing the dungeon >.< (If It's really as hard as the dev team says anyways)

Pathetic..

If you and your friends can't Fairly trade off loot you are not friends..

Pick up groups.. Luck of the draw is fine by me.

Its already a fail, who in their right mind is going to pug/trust anyone in a dungeon/raid system with no lotting? Whats stopping someone who's party leader from lootwhoring the whole dungeon by distributing the loot to him/herself?

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Originally Posted by Burn

Its already a fail, who in their right mind is going to pug/trust anyone in a dungeon/raid system with no lotting? Whats stopping someone who's party leader from lootwhoring the whole dungeon by distributing the loot to him/herself?

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That isn't how looting works in this game.. At least know what your talking about..

Loot is distributed randomly among party members and each individual as the ability to move something from their own list to the list of anyone else in the party.

Facts People.. Use Facts..

Considering my main has all rank 50 if Items drop to me, what's to stop me from taking everything because I can use them all. This is exactly why there needs to be some form of management when it comes to loot.

If you don't know how loot works in 14 by now then I don't know what to tell you. It's completely random so someone can just take the item that drops to them even if they can't use it.