Is Garuda Ex a good filter for DFing Titan Ex??

Hello all

I was really wondering if Garuda Ex is some kind of filter for unskilled people in DF to do Titan Ex and Ifrit Ex IN DF. I mean, i've done like 30-40 Garuda Ex runs (50%-50% FC and DF) and finally beat it in FC group. Is is safe to assume that Titan Ex in DF could be possible in DF? I understand that you can get carried in Titan HM but I really don't think you can get carried in Garuda Ex. Hence my assumption that ppl must be good in Titan EX DF

What do you think?
Thx

Seeing as people are selling Ex Primals kills then yeah, you CAN get carried through Titan Ex. Its not that Titan Ex is harder or easier than any other fight, its that you have very LITTLE room for mistakes, making it harder.

It's not a good filter. The challenges in Garuda Ex are mostly strategic, who pulls what, where to position, and so on. Titan Ex is a very strict personal performance test, that requires good timing with dodging and good basic job skill to perform in your role while doing the dodging.

Titan Ex being the hardest primal of the three, you would expect people to be good by Ifrit Ex but alas...

I'm saying that because I see SOOO many people fail at Garuda Ex, and there is no place for error in the garuda fight so i'm guessing that when you beat it, you must be some kind of good somewhere ... I guess

I DF'd all my primal EX wins. It took me 30 tries on Garuda EX, 50 times on Titan EX and 4 on Ifrit. As a healer, the problem with Titan usually was DPS falling off from Landslides, DPS not getting me out of jail in time, or DPS eating too many plumes or bombs and not having the HP to withstand tumults after raise.

Or their teammates are carrying them so hard they got past it. Seriously, I've seen people dying for the n-th times in Garuda and the group still clears. You can't tell if they got their kill in DF neither.

Having a primal i90 weapon is not a good enough filter for DFing any primal :) As stated before, the selling business means that having completed any fight in the game means nothing to your ability to play, as a rule. T5 is usually an exception as 7manning it is really pushing it.

On the other hand all ex primals can be 7manned very easily, especially garuda and titan. You actually have a LOT of place for error in garuda ex, except for the MT if he takes the add on top of garuda. The fight can be 1 healed, and 3 dps can be enough if they are really good i guess; so whatever your role, if you are in a good party, you can slack, and that isn't even counting for sell runs, as said.

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Originally Posted by Casper

Having a primal i90 weapon is not a good enough filter for DFing any primal :) As stated before, the selling business means that having completed any fight in the game means nothing to your ability to play, as a rule. T5 is usually an exception as 7manning it is really pushing it.

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Actually twintania has been downed with 3 dps 3 tank already (one was in dps jewelry but still...), so I think a non stupidly dying dps could be carried through T5, or at least will be easily be carriable in 2.2. He just has to make the dps output of a tank, which shouldn't be THAT hard for any dps role.. And not dying, that is..

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Actually twintania has been downed with 3 dps 3 tank already (one was in dps jewelry but still...), so I think a non stupidly dying dps could be carried through T5, or at least will be easily be carriable in 2.2. He just has to make the dps output of a tank, which shouldn't be THAT hard for any dps role.. And not dying, that is..

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3 dps @ 250 dps + 1 tank @ 150 dps + 2 tank @ 100 dps = 1100 dps
4 dps @ 250 dps + 2 tank @ 100 dps = 1200 dps
3 dps @ 250 dps + 2 tank @ 100 dps = 950 dps

Just to say that the gap between replacing a dps by a tank in dps stance with dps jewelry, and removing a dps altogether from the equation, is huge :)

Edit: yeah, if he dies not, sure, it's easy. But then again if you are not dieing for a whole TT run, youa re pretty good in my good -- not necessarily "godly", but still wayyy above average. Hence my point: if you did kill TT, it probably say something about your skill, while having killed titan ex or garuda ex says nothing :)

Not even sure why you would run 3 tanks on TT o__O If you were going to sell TT wouldn't going the 1 tank route be the easiest way? 1 Tank, 4 DPS, 2 Healers, 1 Buyer. Would pretty much assure that even if that 8th slot was on the ground the entire time, all mechanics can still be handled.

not a good filter.. the difficulty jump from garuda ex to titan ex is quite big

The quality of players does get somewhat better in Titan and Ifrit, but the "scrub" rate is still high enough overall that an actual clear is rare in most DF parties.

The only time I use DF for EX primals is to practice my specific role, I never explect a clear in the DF.

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

I was really wondering if Garuda Ex is some kind of filter for unskilled people in DF to do Titan Ex and Ifrit Ex IN DF.

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You can be carried through everything but T5. That includes Garuda and Titan EX. Garuda EX is really pretty easy. The margin for error is a lot larger than you think; it's ignorance and panic that cause most wipes. Every time I see an OT at the bottom of Garuda's enmity list, I flip a table or four. The groups that fail are generally where people just won't listen and rage because zomg you're telling me how to do my job (tragically common to have OT do this when I MT).

I've had a number of good Titan EX parties in the DF, and a number of very bad ones. Apropos,

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

The only time I use DF for EX primals is to practice my specific role, I never explect a clear in the DF.

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So instead of creating a group for people to learn, you run off and wipe DF groups, then run away from the DF and talk about how bad it is. Thanks for making the game a miserable place.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

So instead of creating a group for people to learn, you run off and wipe DF groups, then run away from the DF and talk about how bad it is. Thanks for making the game a miserable place.

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More like going into DF, giving it your best shot, but having realistic expectations that at least one of the other 7 people you got together with is going to eat every single weight and ruin any chances of completion, so you don't expect a clear.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

So instead of creating a group for people to learn, you run off and wipe DF groups, then run away from the DF and talk about how bad it is. Thanks for making the game a miserable place.

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Lolwut. Right, me practicing titan EX is totally gonna wipe the group with an ilvl70 tank (which happens about 90% of the time.)

And just because I don't expect to clear doesn't mean I don't try.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

Lolwut. Right, me practicing titan EX is totally gonna wipe the group with an ilvl70 tank (which happens about 90% of the time.)

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Has never happened once to me.

You're joining DF to practice and bailing later, so you enforce a DF environment where people cannot win and good experience is hard to come by. Even if you aren't intentionally sabotaging runs (I didn't say you were), you are sabotaging the entire DF system out of abject selfishness.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Has never happened once to me. WHICH MEANS IT NEVER HAPPENS TO ANYBODY!

You're joining DF to practice and bailing later, so you enforce a DF environment where people cannot win and good experience is hard to come by. Even if you aren't intentionally sabotaging runs (I didn't say you were), you are sabotaging the entire DF system out of abject selfishness.

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I still dont understand how me joining a party, giving my all, and not screaming at people when they screw up because a win would be a pleasant suprise is me"ruining" the system.

Hmmmm these days ex Primals ain't difficult even on df. Most are used to the mechanics and geared up.
Titan HM can be carried easily and Garuda ex is possible.
Titan ex will be tough cos we usually goes solo healer where non of the experienced can make any silly mistake or we can't cleared it.

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Originally Posted by forkie

Hmmmm these days ex Primals ain't difficult even on df. Most are used to the mechanics and geared up.
Titan HM can be carried easily and Garuda ex is possible.
Titan ex will be tough cos we usually goes solo healer where non of the experienced can make any silly mistake or we can't cleared it.

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Titan Ex runs are already sold since one month ago at least on Balmung. Pretty expensive (900k) but I know wome people who paid just because they wanted the quest done "in case which" leviathan requires ifrit to be done. I'll personnality pay a run myself if it is proved necessary and my friends give up before we win.

I have never succeed a single titan EX on pf with descriptions like "Need to see weapons", "Experienced only", "2 strikes rule" and so on.

DF can be better or worst depends on the day, but I haven't succeed with that either.

Your best bet is set up a pre-made team with your FC/LS members for weekly kills.

actually got passed + and X bombs tonight in DF. Every PF party for last 2 weeks wiped there.

Whole game is easy-ish until u shatter titan Exs heart imo xD That combo of + and X bomb, 5 way landslide and egis is just so much more than I was used to handling up to that point.

There is no filter :/

I've seen players with Allagan weapons join my pf groups, then get launched off the platform by the 2nd landslide. "Lag" is usually the answer, so you know they're BSing you there.

Also, at least on Excalibur, most of the people with EX primal wins bought them from the FC's selling runs, so they haven't ever really won the fight.

The only filter really is Titan->Ifrit, there are hundreds of Derps that love to stand in things on Titan, but the vast majority of these either learn to play or stay stuck on the content.

Nope! The reason for this is because Garuda is more of a strategic and "routine" fight. In Garuda, if you are standing in the wrong place, it's gonna hurt, and all you have to dodge are the Chirada/Suparna AoE's as well as the Windburns from Garuda herself. In Titan no matter where you're standing you're going to have to dodge something, and if you don't, it's likely going to kill you. Losing your cool in Titan means losing the fight.

Titan EX is also harder due to player responsibilities. Garuda EX is essentially a tank check and the DPS race portion requires the DPS'ers to be stationary for the most part. In Titan, everyone is important, and one death will be a heavy toll upon the group. I also think that Titan is harder because DPS has to be more aware that fight than any other, and players who pick DPS jobs solely because it's "less work" than tanking and healing and depend on other DPS'ers pick up the ball are in for a very rude awakening.

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Not even sure why you would run 3 tanks on TT o__O If you were going to sell TT wouldn't going the 1 tank route be the easiest way? 1 Tank, 4 DPS, 2 Healers, 1 Buyer. Would pretty much assure that even if that 8th slot was on the ground the entire time, all mechanics can still be handled.

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Someone knows what they are talking about :).

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Originally Posted by Odett

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not really i've carried enough titan ex runs when 2 dps is laying DEAD all the damn time but then again ur remaining dps must be insane

as for the topic: NO NO NO, garuda is an endurance fight with the exact same pattern, at the 3rd or 4th round of super tornado phase, peeps are goin to get tired, or greedy and thus lose concentration which may wipe ur party, but titan is not on the same exact pattern ( landslide on round the clock bombs and 3 row bombs) and only have 3 rounds hard enrage, the moment round 3 when egis are summoned, u only have 10 seconds before sumo stomp nonstop enrage.

Pretty much what everyone else is saying. No. When the content first released you had better chances in duty finder because only so many people had beaten these fights. people are pugging all of the primals these days, and people can most definitely be carried through garuda. titan can as well, but its a little less likely, so maybe ifrit has a better DF pool of people, but you will find plenty of carried people in titan ex duty finder.

I would say definitely not, Garuda is pretty simple I've had a tank go down, and blm take over as OT so being carried through that fight is no problem.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

not really i've carried enough titan ex runs when 2 dps is laying DEAD all the damn time but then again ur remaining dps must be insane.

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My FC is not large enough to run this, so I'm always at the mercy of the PF and DF, which sadly includes many players who think that gear is the end-all-be-all defining factor and a lot of them rely on it to make up for their lack of knowledge about their DPS rotation and fight mechanics. At this point, doing the fight with 7 other people who know what they're doing would be a dream.

Thx for the answers guys. I just DF titan Ex for the first time yesterday and OMG, never even got to heart.... so i got my answer, Garuda is not a filter ^^. Lets keep practicing !!

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

Thx for the answers guys. I just DF titan Ex for the first time yesterday and OMG, never even got to heart.... so i got my answer, Garuda is not a filter ^^. Lets keep practicing !!

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Much more personal responsibility with Titan Ex than Garuda Ex.

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Originally Posted by Siobahn

"Lag" is usually the answer, so you know they're BSing you there.

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Actually Garuda EX, Titan EX and T5 has started to lag like hell for me and few FC members in past few weeks now, usually i dont get any lag but lately certain fights has became nightmare due 5sec screen freezes and invisible targets. This doesn't happen always, but when it happens it makes those encounters unplayable :(