One of my FC members went on a little vent recently, and between that and starting to (finally) work on Garuda Ex myself, it got me thinking. One of the things he was kvetching about was how hard it is to learn a fight in DF as a DPS compared to tanks. Because after a few tries, everyone gives up, and he's stuck with a long queue again, while tanks can generally get back in much more quickly. So tanks (and to a lesser degree, healers) can get more attempts in a shorter time.
But the trade-off is that there's often a lot more to learn as a healer or a tank, and a lot more pressure & blame when things go wrong. You screw up as a DPS and you're a bad DPS, but everybody's used to that. And a lot of the time, unless you've got special tasks to do, most of what you need to learn (apart from the movement bits that everyone needs to know) is what target to hit next.
I don't really have a preferred role overall. Nothing that's, to me, "easy mode." Who has the hard job just depends on the fight. (Though, to be fair, my only 50 DPS so far is MNK, and I'm pretty sure that colors my perception.) So I'm always torn about which role to start with when it comes to learning new content. If I want to eventually tank it, knowing what the healers and DPS go through helps me be better at that anyway. And the same with those roles, too.
How about all y'all's? Do you go in with your personal easy mode first? Or the one true role? Or whatever slot is empty on the PF?
What role do you use for learning new fights?
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03-10-2014, 10:57 PMBixbyWhat role do you use for learning new fights?
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03-10-2014, 11:00 PMAliceVirgin
Lol being a tank who is late to the game im always told I should learn the fights as something else but a tank because when I mess up its an auto wipe and I get yelled at, so if you go by those logics how is anyone ever going to get a clear when the content is new.....
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03-10-2014, 11:09 PMKamikazeMan
I don't use DF to learn a fight. People give up far too easily and always expect to get a win after the first 2-3 tries. Thanks to PF, I can just start a learning party or join one to learn the fights since there is an understanding between all party members that you're all learning the fight.Oh, and my main job is BLM so I use that.
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03-10-2014, 11:10 PMKraggyKorLOL, yeah, I love how those who had to learn it for themselves always tell those who come after they should 'watch the video' to learn .. because everyone knows that only those who did it first are able to learn it on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliceVirgin
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03-10-2014, 11:12 PMMogi
I like to go in as a healer since i don't have to wait and waiting 30min or so on my BRD sux lol endless i'm hunting gear then ill go on with that class. But i feel the best way to understand how to do your job 1 online go look your job up as there's ppl who have guide for for most 2 you tube look at a run and or boss if it's going to be your first time i feel that helps alot and last live and learn since in the end you need to get use to your role your self:P and if need be ask others
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03-10-2014, 11:23 PMThaliss
Hi,
Create a party finder announcing "learning/training".
Lot of people are shy and don't create groups, and you will be surprised to see how much people that have done the content come just to help get the basics.
Depending on the fight you don't have the same perspective. Sometimes I think people try to know or explain far beyond their role and it confuses people for the 1st tries.
I can only go as Healer or DPS but I choose healer 1st. -
03-10-2014, 11:24 PMYurimi
I always play as a healer so I guess I learned them on that, I will admit I did the pre dungeon as smn out of worry back when it was new but everything else I did as heals
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03-10-2014, 11:45 PMLemon8or
I main tank so that's how I learned it. Ever since I'm done gearing my tank, I've been messing around with monk and black mage as DPS. I have to say, it's a lot easier and harder at the same time. Depends on the fight, DPS might have to watch out for stuffs more than tanks but tanks have to know certain other stuffs as well. Never did it as healer.
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03-10-2014, 11:48 PMZ3M0G
This applies only to people with multiple 50s, I assume?
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03-11-2014, 12:13 AMBixbyThat tends to be when the issue first really hits for most people. If there's somebody with multiple 16s stepping into Sastasha for the first time, no reason they couldn't reply (except forum limitations). :) But yeah, the answer's kind of self-evident for anybody with only one class/job/role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3M0G
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03-11-2014, 12:17 AMUlathskullsplitter
The first time I run new content I always do it as bard. The mobility and range make everything easier. Even if you don't know the fight you can just run around and pew pew.
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03-11-2014, 12:20 AMFerthNot to mention that the majority of video guides show at best one facet of a fight, usually from a very poor camera angle and with no explanation of what is going on or why. Or sometimes will have just plain outdated tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
Going back on topic, though. To learn a fight I don't usually worry about my role so much as the people I'm there with. I'm not going to join a run of strangers expecting an easy win if I'm still not comfortable with the fight. I much prefer to go in with a group of friends who understand that I don't have much experience with the encounter or with a pf group that is there specifically to learn. Even if we don't win it usually gives me a chance to see the fight first hand, familiarize myself with the patterns and understand a bit more behind what every move does and how best to deal with them. -
03-11-2014, 12:53 AMBigpurpleharnessI like to learn them as tank. It's by far the easiest role, though not by as large a margin as pre-1.2 though. Tank >> DPS >> Healer for learning. Certain fights DPS would be easier, though, but it's simply not geared like my tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby
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03-11-2014, 06:26 AMSummonerSenah
I run new stuff with summoner, since it's my main and the best geared out of all of my jobs.
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03-11-2014, 06:28 AMNoahlimits
All dungeons in the game are faceroll, so I'm going to ignore those. For Titan HM and extremes, I watched a video. For practicing, I did duty finder. Once I felt I had the mechanics down, I joined PF / static / kill groups. For coil T5, I just pugged it on my own learning the fight in progression groups (since there were/are so many).