Players not meeting expectations - why?

A member of my ls had an interesting run earlier in one of the Mid level dungeons, heres what he had to say :-

"Seriously, what's with XIV? It's pretty obvious that the average player doesn't meet SE's expectations. Earlier this morning I was doing The Stone Vigil as a SMN for practice and leveling.

There was an LNC in our party that actually thought that DRG was a Tanker Class. He knew of no DPS rotation and thought that LB was "Lifestream Blood" AKA Fill the bar, makes you stronger (Or something similar).

How can you reach all the way up to 41 and not read anything of what selected action does which or how the game works?

This partially explains the poor performance from the players that reach the level cap in end game dungeons and raids.

I've come to the conclusion that players do not actually read any earlier parts of the game to learn how to use the classes properly.

Hence, I beg of you Square. Please make more 50 based dungeons that actually teach the players how to actually use their class/jobs properly. Ex. Can't kill a boss until you use a LB, etc.

They need to raise the ilevel cap for the current endgame dungeons higher. Ex. Wanderer's, Amdapor's Keep 55. Pharos, Copper and Hakke (Hard) At least 60+.

Because what's happening is that the geared players that participate in DF are wiping due to the fact that the fresh 50 that just entered is taking on content that he/she isn't ready with."

Or some ppl are just new to an mmo or this game everyone will go at there own pace if you can't deal with it maybe your in the wrong game? or. Put on your pro boots and tell them how to do things or are you the sort that will RQ or bash someone in the ground till they quit? id hope not

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Originally Posted by Mogi

Or some ppl are just new to an mmo or this game everyone will go at there own pace if you can't deal with it maybe your in the wrong game?

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Did you actually read the post? if you did, read the opening statement, this is something a ls member posted and not my own personal statement. I agree with what he is saying though and think that there should be a better tutorial system for the dungeons.

we were all new to an MMO at one point. I had the luxury of playing Ultima Online way before there was any sort of "standard" set.

Back when literally all you did was log on to wander around with your friends and do things together no matter how random. That being said, we got to play MMO's over the years and experience new types of mechanics, learning from good players that used to actually mentor people. This is not rose colored glasses here, I honestly see many people saying "go look it up." rather than sparing some moments to help someone learn more than what it used to be

Ah, what do I care, I'm old. I hate people in general now, get off my lawn.

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Originally Posted by Undrentide

Did you actually read the post?

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Yep and what i say still stands do you help other players with there job or are you one of the pros that yell at them and then RQ most times when you run into a other player that's not the best at there job you can just try to explain things and move on

You don't tell me what to do! I'll SWORD OATH if I want on HM TITAN, as MT.

thats crazy i had enough logic to realize blue means tank red dps and green healer after all the other dungeons i did..... and this is my first mmo to

I don't think SE needs to do something about this particular problem. This is all on the people who outright REFUSE to learn.

The dungeons and story primals do a very good job of introducing players into boss and class mechanics.

im actually someone that will try to help others in game. Im by no means a hardcore player or anything, i havent cleared all the content, nor do i profess to have. Anyways your derailing the thread so back on subject please.

The whole game is a tutorial up to level 50. If you feel players aren't reading things during that time, what makes you think they'd be more apt to read once they hit 50?

Also, I agree with Mogi. If you end up in a run like that, take the time to explain things. :)

I think your friend/ls member got trolled.

Why do people nowdays expect random people to teach others?

That is what FC/LS/Guild or friends are for.

I'm an old school like Karnyboy, but I can't remember expecting anyone to go out of their way to teach others. If they did, it was nice, but we never raged on someone for not using their time to teach others.

And as the OP said, it was someone who had no clue what their role was. Why should someone teach a person who has not deemed it important to do some self study first?

do you realize there are A LOT of pop ups everywhere during your levelling process that contain every little thing you need to know ? (plus some extras totally unuseful as they are evidences, like "click the box in duty finder to launch a dungeon search". Not the "open DF" part, just the "tick the box". People who can't figure that won't figure 99% of the game and probably won't go past lv 20 anyway)

People not knowing the basics (I don't mean that they should fully master their perfect rotation but rather not spam the combo ending or not doing their job aka tank/heal/dps) are clearly people who ignored all the tutorial and are either :
=> vets. They know it all and don't need it to be at least average
=> idiots. And they won't go far. They'll be flamed really hard, and will probably quit very soon, if they don't meet someone who cares to explain where to find the tutorials again.

=> special cat : trolls. You might have seen one

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Originally Posted by Phaydra

I think your friend/ls member got trolled.

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This so much. Probably search info that drg and he's got 4 other classes at level 50 and was just messing around. Someone would've yelled at him if he was trying to dps tank by that level. Also that really wouldn't work in dungeons at all, unless he was blessed with a good healer every time.

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Originally Posted by Undrentide

im actually someone that will try to help others in game. Im by no means a hardcore player or anything, i havent cleared all the content, nor do i profess to have. Anyways your derailing the thread so back on subject please.

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Sorry to go off topic:P was just trying to see how you deal with the ppl as that can all ways help or mess things up is all anyway back on Topic ;)

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Originally Posted by Undrentide

How can you reach all the way up to 41 and not read anything of what selected action does which or how the game works?

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It happens when your game is easy and literally throws you exp.

You don't *need* to learn your job because the world doesn't hold any danger, the DF sets you up and allow you to get carried and quests give you exp and equipment.

I don't have problems with people that don't know how to do some of the "required" aspects of the game, as long as they don't blame their struggles on me.

I was healing a haukke manor normal on my white mage yesterday in a roulette. The tank was a gladiator that was level31. Ok, sure, some people don't feel like leveling another class up so they can get their job crystal right away. It's totally cool. I had no issues. But that was just the start. This person didn't have remotely current gear at all. :P I mean, other people in the party, had the same hp or higher than the tank. This wasn't because he didn't have a job crystal (though having one would increase his hp since it ups stats by 10%). His gear was like all at least ten levels lower than his current level. But again, I don't judge. He was playing the game the way he wanted to, ok fine. But he would make snide comments during the run like: "You going to heal me this time?" "Don't forget to heal!" Honestly, when he died, and all the mobs were on me, healing myself was actually easier. I had as much or more health. I had probably more defense as well cause his gear was in fact that far off his current level (think like pieces of lvl5 starter gear and stuff). If he was doing the quests you do from your class trainer, those quests give you gear. Was he just not putting it on? I have no idea.

But yea, I really don't get it. Sure in other games, there were players that just made your life difficult because they were trolling or something. But I really believe this guy was just really believing he was that awesome and that everything was other people's fault. He actually dyed all his gear he did have, it was all "snow white" in color. Not like, the bone white you get from the vendor. He bought the crafted dye on the market board... lol He bought dye, but not gear. It's not like gear is expensive either, because as many have already stated, there is hardly any money in crafting. So for about the same amount of money he spent on his dye, he could have gotten gear that was current. He just didn't wanna.

So it's just beyond the whole "my pace" style of gaming. Why are people just lazy here? :p

One terrible player means the system must be changed. Maybe the player was trolling, maybe his gf jumped onto his game, who knows. This is far from the norm, and nothing to create any conclusion. System is fine IMO, people have way too high expectations in low level dungeons anyway. They can easily be done with 3 people.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

One terrible player means the system must be changed. Maybe the player was trolling, maybe his gf jumped onto his game, who knows. This is far from the norm, and nothing to create any conclusion. System is fine IMO, people have way too high expectations in low level dungeons anyway. They can easily be done with 3 people.

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Yeah, I was doing Haukke Manor on my DRG the other day, the tank left immediately and so I just said let's start, I tanked on DRG, even the first 4 mob pull around the corner with no problems lol. I just said jeez maybe just give us a 3rd DPS lol.

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Originally Posted by Makado

Yeah, I was doing Haukke Manor on my DRG the other day, the tank left immediately and so I just said let's start, I tanked on DRG, even the first 4 mob pull around the corner with no problems lol. I just said jeez maybe just give us a 3rd DPS lol.

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tbh, a geared lancer can tank pretty much everything up to Haukke with no problem...

It's not that veteran player are no want to help... They do. Or used to.

You may try for help, but you can only hear "Don't tell me how to play!" so many time before no more care about help others, especially when game already teach things they don't know because they click click click click click click through all menus.

Your average fellow human isn't all that bright. More news at 9.

Do you actually think most people read the tooltips or that they can even read? If you've done any guildhests you should know better. Those are by far the hardest content in the game, especially if you roulette them.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

tbh, a geared lancer can tank pretty much everything up to Haukke with no
problem...

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Yeah that was what I was saying probably could have done the whole thing no problem in reference to the all dungeons could be done with 3 players.

Some people are just hopeless. No amount of tutorial readings or help will fix them.

disappointing players in every game

here's a funny story. back when i reached max level in wow during tbc, when they had all of those stuffy spread out class quests I played a Paladin. got to 70 and got into a raid, didn't have Redemption. It's a resurrection ability you could learn at level 10.

People would always ask me to rez them and I didn't have any clue what they were talking about.

we've all derped somewhere along the line as players... im just glad my derp wasn't posting a JC mount on the auction house for 3k instead of 30k

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Originally Posted by Delorean

People would always ask me to rez them and I didn't have any clue what they were talking about.

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LOL. Nice. I can relate to that. I had something kind of similar in my early WoW days as well. WoW didn't have too much hand holding back in those days. It was rather easy to overlook those "side-quests" for the extra abilities. Nice story though, got a giggle out of it, along with an instant flashback. :)

Im ilvl80 atm and only just learned that I didnt unlock a lvl 50 dungeon, also I was 50 for a looong time before realising I didnt learn Enkindle as it was a quest I had ignored.

I derp therefore I am