Please make Pheonix Down to be useful.

u can only have one pheonix down in ur inventory.. but i think pheonix down is the most useless item that dont has any benefit.. u cant raise ur party member during the fight, but I wonder if there are any players out there ever use pheonix down?

please allow us to raise party member during the fight by using pheonix down but with some limitation for example can only be used for one time only.. i think pheonix down need to has some re-design about how it works.. but so far i think pheonix down is just useless..

There's an easy way to get Phoenix Downs? Because if it's just the quest or two I know the item is completely irrelevant and useless since you can't stock on them.

make it, so if there is phoenix down at your inventory.. then when you die.. you get auto raise :)

I always wondered why one of the more iconic items of the series became absolute trash here.

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Originally Posted by Archi

make it, so if there is phoenix down at your inventory.. then when you die.. you get auto raise :)

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This is a nice idea, although I already tossed my phoenix downs to free up space. :(

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Originally Posted by Archi

make it, so if there is phoenix down at your inventory.. then when you die.. you get auto raise :)

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As amazingly helpful as this would be, I can't help but wonder the possible issues that would come up with this.

For example: What would happen if you died via falling damage vs Titan or Demon Wall? Do you get resurrected at the bottom of the drop with no way back up?

Balancing some sort of auto-raise feature would be annoying.

I think phoenix downs should be stackable and craftable, but I don't really feel like they need to be changed beyond that. Something to use to raise random people on the field or a friend you're leveling with or something, but I personally don't want them to be usable in combat. Maybe with the once per battle restriction and a similar cast time to the actual spell.

i tried to use pheonix down after the FATE fight on other player.. but it's not working.. myb bcoz the player is not my party member.. if pheonix down is not craftable, then pheonix down is a very super rare item.. thus bcoz of this 'rarity' please make it to be useful.. player will use it wisely as it is very hard to get..

I've actually seen a Phoenix Down used once, for the Atomos fight in LotA. All but 3 people in my alliance had died, but Atomos was dead, so a Monk revived me (A SCH) and we proceeded to pick ourselves back up and get back on the button without triggering the Giant.

Perhaps make them craftable, add a lengthy cooldown (300 seconds+ perhaps) and apply a charge time for usability to it (so it can't be used half-heartedly on a whim)? All while enabling it in battle and instances, so it isn't entirely a lost cause when the only healer(s) is/are dead.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

I've actually seen a Phoenix Down used once, for the Atomos fight in LotA. All but 3 people in my alliance had died, but Atomos was dead, so a Monk revived me (A SCH) and we proceeded to pick ourselves back up and get back on the button without triggering the Giant.

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That shouldn't be possible since you where in combat, unless the description is wrong (given the number of localization errors I wouldn't be surprised).

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Originally Posted by Velox

That shouldn't be possible since you where in combat, unless the description is wrong (given the number of localization errors I wouldn't be surprised).

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She said atomos was dead, so they wouldn't be in combat anymore for that particular group. Atomos fight doesn't put you in combat with the targets for the other two groups.

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Originally Posted by Aethaeryn

She said atomos was dead, so they wouldn't be in combat anymore for that particular group. Atomos fight doesn't put you in combat with the targets for the other two groups.

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Ah I missed that. Phone won't let me resize the font, so it's very easy to miss things T_T

obviously they need to re-design how Pheonix Down works..

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Originally Posted by Aethaeryn

Balancing some sort of auto-raise feature would be annoying.

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How? They managed it in every FF game including XI just fine lol. I guess based on how Yoshi P feels, it would negate the use of White Mage and Scholar if other jobs can raise people in battle, much like he stated it would negate the use of bringing any other class if BLM had a proper elemental wheel and monsters actual weaknesses.

(Was never a problem raising people in battles in 1.x with Company Issued Tonics...)

Pretty much all healing items are next to useless unless you need an OHSHI button on a non-healing character, even then the healing potency of the items is a joke. They are only decent before you get your job class, so after you hit 30, they are all pretty much garbage. The current cool down makes them horrible to use while a low level unless you use them while partied up and only in between spurts of not being healed.

My Rank 3 Chocobo does better healing than the healing items.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

There's an easy way to get Phoenix Downs? Because if it's just the quest or two I know the item is completely irrelevant and useless since you can't stock on them.

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There are actually four you can get at the present time, all quested naturally. Until the fourth one was added, you could have one in your inventory, while having two more on a retainer, but when the Hildibrand quests were added (which reward a fourth on for the first quest), that was no longer possible. I agree they're just a gimmick really and need to either have the 'unique/untradable' effect removed, thus allowing them to be stacked, or else make it so they give a reraise effect if used on yourself (while keeping them as unique/untradable items), as at the moment, there is little need for them (if you need to raise someone crossclassing the Raise spell is better).

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Originally Posted by Nahara

As amazingly helpful as this would be, I can't help but wonder the possible issues that would come up with this.

For example: What would happen if you died via falling damage vs Titan or Demon Wall? Do you get resurrected at the bottom of the drop with no way back up?

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Die from falling damage, no raise allowed. The system already knows how you die. Make that a condition on the raise effect. I think it's a horrible idea to limit something just because of a small handful of instances that can easily be avoided by a simple system check and a description on the item.

"Item will cast raise on yourself after being defeated in battle. (Except if death is caused by fall)."

So, the only instances it wouldn't work is: Knocked off by Deamon Wall, Knocked off by Titan, Coil Turn 3 the weird times you use the jump platforms and die on landing. And umm...I think that's the only instances where the exception would apply? Oh, I guess if you have agro and fall from great heights. Then again if you let that happen, it's your own fault.

The fact the item has a limited way of getting it makes it even better since it's not something that can just be simply made or farmed to death. As it stands now, only being able to use it outside of battle is pretty damn worthless, especially since either a healer will be near by or in your party, you don't have to return to an entry spot to do content (yay instant warp with duty finder) except for Coil entry, so teleporting back to your home point really isn't a penalty.

It seems to me that the Pheonix down should be an in-combat res item that can be used by everyone. Then, the "you can only have one" restriction would make sense. That would allow each player in an instance run a one shot chance to revive a teammate. That would be a lot nicer than requiring the healers or a SMN to do all of the reviving during combat.