Time wasters

Why do people continue to waste people's time when the group is all but dead, there is no LB3 available to rez everyone, and only 1-3 people left.

Perpetuating a wipe only serves to piss people off.

Because

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Because

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They want to be the solo hero of the story // even though it won't work.
They just want to relieve stress.
Or simply...
Just because. lol

Because it's fun to see how long you can survive despite the terrible situation. Honestly, in this whole game, when else will you have that feeling?

Just think, in the time your wasting, all your comrades and you could be half way through the next attempt - maybe even succeeding?

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

Just think, in the time your wasting, all your comrades and you could be half way through the next attempt - maybe even succeeding?

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Okay i'll give you a serious answer.
It's because i'm actually leaving after so I want to make it look like I tried. Either way your time was wasted.

Actually no I'm applying to an FC that sells Extreme Primal wins, i have to show that I'm capable of carrying a losing party.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Because

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ah mahvel. classic justin moment

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

Just think, in the time your wasting, all your comrades and you could be half way through the next attempt - maybe even succeeding?

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Actually considering how tense* you sound I'd say you ought to give it a go. We had one member that would stall coil out all the time. (He moved and no longer plays) but it certainly helped when half of the raid was on edge or annoyed. It can be a breath of fresh air. However you sound so serious - you have trouble downing coil or something? Were able to joke around and still get kills. Maybe you just need to relax - it's just a game after all. People have different ways of coping.

I do it to rub it in the faces of the people causing the wipes. You don't like me wasting your time? Then stop dieing and wasting mine.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Actually considering how tense* you sound I'd say you ought to give it a go. We had one member that would stall coil out all the time. (He moved and no longer plays) but it certainly helped when half of the raid was on edge or annoyed. It can be a breath of fresh air. However you sound so serious - you have trouble downing coil or something? Were able to joke around and still get kills. Maybe you just need to relax - it's just a game after all. People have different ways of coping.

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I can fully understand if you have somewhat close to a full LB3 or the boss is in its last few percent. But when there is 1, 2 or 3 left out of 8, 25-50%+ on the boss and there isnt even a LB1 available... just give it up and stop wasting everyone's time. You can do whatever the hell you want in your own FC run - but in a DF group, just wipe it so we can move on and progress through the dungeon.

Can still practice most fight mechanics even when half of party are dead.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

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Sometimes I tend to keep going even though its a wipe depends on the situation. Per say if it was titan and everyone died but me I would show them that the rotation isn't that hard. Plus when people give up right away - some people don't even get to see the rotation. I like to push so they get to see. Hey this landslide is coming up. If people learn from watching it's helpful.

People don't always do it out of animosity too - You have to take in account that people learn by seeing the fight. Not by - "ok guys lets wipe and pray we can understand the fight even tho we only made it X far"

I rarely see a recovery work even if healer LB3 is popped. Half the group dies in seconds afterwards because they've given up and weren't ready for the AoE that's about to smack them.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Because it's fun to see how long you can survive despite the terrible situation. Honestly, in this whole game, when else will you have that feeling?

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This may have been said in jest, it's hard to know for sure. But personally, my most epic gaming moments have been when we pulled out a win when the party was calling for a wipe. I don't care if you think I'm wasting your time, if I think we can win it, damn right I'm gonna keep trying. Feel free to leave, since you're dead you're not helping anyways. Or stay, cheer us on, or maybe watch and learn. The watch and learn comment isn't me being an elitist snob. It's exactly how I learned how to dodge the circle bombs in Titan HM for example. Most of what I learned in harder content, I learned while KO'd and watching someone who is still alive.

Sometimes it's hard to know the exact point that all hope is lost. I was in a group where several dead players suggested we just wipe it. The few players remaining survived until healer LB3, the whole team was back in action, and we ended up winning the fight. Long shot wins like this are exciting.

Other reasons include:

- Wanting to fight till your dying breath. We're playing heroic characters and that's typically what heroes do, after all.
- Having tunnel vision. Sometimes people don't realize how bad things really are. The tank is like "Why am I not getting healed?!" then realizes all the healers are dead and maybe have been for several minutes...
- Wanting your teammates to know you're not a quitter.
- To get more practice on a particular phase.

Etc. It's highly doubtful that anybody is just trying to waste someone else's time. At any rate, wipes typically happen about 10 seconds after it becomes hopeless anyway, so not a lot of time is being wasted. Furthermore, most groups leave instance now after 2 tries so it's not like wiping any faster will give you more tries with the same group.

As a side tangent, that makes "X-strikes" parties kind of pointless as this mentality is already the norm. Can't count the number of times I've PUG'ed Titan and had people quit after 2 tries. The funny thing is that the same people who do this complain about others wanting things "handed to them."

Moral: Enjoy the game, let others play how they want (within reason), and don't have such high expectations. If you gripe about people not being able to avoid landslide, don't expect them to jump off a cliff cause you done gone and got yourself blown up :)

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Originally Posted by Odd

This may have been said in jest, it's hard to know for sure. But personally, my most epic gaming moments have been when we pulled out a win when the party was calling for a wipe. I don't care if you think I'm wasting your time, if I think we can win it, damn right I'm gonna keep trying. Feel free to leave, since you're dead you're not helping anyways. Or stay, cheer us on, or maybe watch and learn. The watch and learn comment isn't me being an elitist snob. It's exactly how I learned how to dodge the circle bombs in Titan HM for example. Most of what I learned in harder content, I learned while KO'd and watching someone who is still alive.

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Agreed during Ifrit once PT was calling for wipe, even tank sat in bad stuff and died - everyone was about to give up but I managed to kite it like a boss, and pick people up. If OP is going to call it a waste of time - then OP better have a better reason. Then just "pissing OP off"

I've been in a few fights where those last few alive have pulled off wins against all odds.

As long as a Heal, Tank and DPS are alive, the fight can go on. Now, in the EX fights...maybe not (yay DPS checks!). But most others you can keep trying, and possibly win.

EDIT: Recently I was helping a friend get Ifrit HM down (he tanked, I healed). Randoms were very new to lv50. Somehow we had the DPS for Nails, and continued on...until suddenly, there was me, MT (my friend) and a DPS or two still standing. I just went and rezed who I could, DPSed when I had a second and kept those up as best I could (yeah, the guys who kept eating charges and eruptions got to stay down after the second rez). Took a long time to win, but we won. Wasn't going to give up there.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I rarely see a recovery work even if healer LB3 is popped. Half the group dies in seconds afterwards because they've given up and weren't ready for the AoE that's about to smack them.

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I have actually. I have actually see a tank somehow take down HM Ifrit. All on his own. For the last 5%. That has only ever happened once and he only had to last 10-20 seconds. LB3 quite often saves the group. If i had to guess the times it has actually worked - i would say maybe 75%. Those few times it didnt, was when the timing was off (and the post-Raise immunity was not yet implemented) and everyone got Raised right at the beginning of a massive aoe mechanic and promptly wiped a second time.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

Perpetuating a wipe only serves to piss people off.

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Good. Maybe they can use that anger to stop dieing.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

I can fully understand if you have somewhat close to a full LB3 or the boss is in its last few percent. But when there is 1, 2 or 3 left out of 8, 25-50%+ on the boss and there isnt even a LB1 available... just give it up and stop wasting everyone's time. You can do whatever the hell you want in your own FC run - but in a DF group, just wipe it so we can move on and progress through the dungeon.

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Did you just say you have expectations in DF? Um that's your first mistake.

If you want to play with like minded individuals find some, make some friends you only need a few and look you can now do all the dungeons you want how you want. Excepting everyone to play your style let alone to cater to your desires is just selfish.

I have also solo healed a Tank alone and finished bosses without any DPS, I mean I guess we could have given up and let you all fail to dodge and die again .... or we could consider you wasted space and finish it on our own but I guess that is irrelevant to your rant because you should just give up the moment anyone dies or there is a hiccup.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

Why do people continue to waste people's time when the group is all but dead, there is no LB3 available to rez everyone, and only 1-3 people left.

Perpetuating a wipe only serves to piss people off.

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Or maybe if you guys didn't cause the wipe so easily they wouldn't be left with 1-3 ppl. Having said that, there are times where people give up too easily and the remaining people do manage to finish the boss off. It's mostly a question of whether you are giving up too easily over another person who isn't willing to give up till the very end. I think I admire the latter more. Of course, if they're just jumping around wasting time that's another case.

Also your above comment actually makes you look like the ignorant person lol.

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

Or maybe if you guys didn't cause the wipe so easily they wouldn't be left with 1-3 ppl. Having said that, there are times where people give up too easily and the remaining people do manage to finish the boss off. It's mostly a question of whether you are giving up too easily over another person who isn't willing to give up till the very end. I think I admire the latter more. Of course, if they're just jumping around wasting time that's another case.

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When they are running circles around the boss attempting to simply avoid being hit... its pretty obvious.

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Originally Posted by DSN

I disagree with you therefore I am ignorant. How about lets discuss the irony of people wasting your time while you are posting and tracking / replying to these posts? I mean if your time is so precious why don't you do something valuable with it like learning a new skill and bettering your self? Oh because you are just ranting on some forums that mean nothing to anyone and the majority of the replies would show that what you perceive to be a problem only seems to be affecting and bother you but yes we are all the problem.

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No. Your arrogance shows your ignorance, far more than simply disagreeing with someone.

Yes. If there is a chance of the boss being killed then by all means. If you have or are very close to a LB3, or only have a fer percent left - by all means go nuts. I will even try to encourage and support you in this attempt.

But mucking around with a boss at 50%, less than half of the team alive and NO LB3 or anything close to it - no your just wasting everyone's time. Stop thinking of only yourself and try to work with the group - not against it.

I'm guilty of wasting players' time. I always feel like miracles can happen. Plus LB3 just looks too cool to waste.

I would say it depends on who is alive at least one healer or someone who can raise and he'll is well I've been you could probably salvage that and get people up you could think of it as a challenge if you will try to keep going.

I was in doing cutters cry recently and we failed the first time second time all 3 DPS and the tank died on chimera and all that was alive was just the white mage who solo'ed the last I think 20 percent on him, now that is what you call good ingenuity and thinking outside the box almost not all strategies a work of course but if a boss fight is somehow salvageable try to win the boss fight before saying ah screw it Iets just start all over again.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

Why do people continue to waste people's time when the group is all but dead, there is no LB3 available to rez everyone, and only 1-3 people left.

Perpetuating a wipe only serves to piss people off.

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because sometimes its worth it. I once had a cutters cry party we wiped probably a dozen times on the final boss till finally I decided that was enough aero/bio kited the thing for the remaining 20mins while raising members each time swiftcast came up only to have them unweakened then we get back into it and they die again to the first Blue/Violet Eyes. In the end we succeeded because of zombie/kite tactics. Sometimes a wipe is a wipe but saying that just starting over is going to be faster is not an absolute. Another time me and a warrior duoed the last 25% of ifrit because the party could not stay alive and I was done wasting time on them. A few times in garuda story mode me and the tank have duoed the last 20%. and in these cases the party was rather happy that we did not pissed off at all.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

But mucking around with a boss at 50%, less than half of the team alive and NO LB3 or anything close to it - no your just wasting everyone's time. Stop thinking of only yourself and try to work with the group - not against it.

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Limit Break 3 doesn't mean much most of the time in fights like Titan HM. If someone actually LB3'd as a healer I would say it wasn't the best move. After heart breaks it's very possible for a healer and tank to duo Titan. That's why it's not a waste of time. If you read his previous post he was talking in terms of Titan(well I see it as that with dodging as an issue lol). Which is clear he's not talking about Limit Breaking - he's talking of carrying 6 other members who died early on.

If one person is capable and has the mana to do it - they will. It's beautiful when it happens.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Limit Break 3 doesn't mean much most of the time in fights like Titan HM. If someone actually LB3'd as a healer I would say it wasn't the best move. After heart breaks it's very possible for a healer and tank to duo Titan. That's why it's not a waste of time. If you read his previous post he was talking in terms of Titan(well I see it as that with dodging as an issue lol). Which is clear he's not talking about Limit Breaking - he's talking of carrying 6 other members who died early on.

If one person is capable and has the mana to do it - they will. It's beautiful when it happens.

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Yeah when I was redoing Titan HM for my SCH relic on this character I think at the end of it only me my bard friend and a tank were alive for the last 30% or so. Also to further my previous post and to avoid pics or it didnt happen.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...IfritDuo-1.png

and for story mode garuda

http://www.twitch.tv/mithrayurimi/c/3194597 scroll to about 20mins in

in neither case were we spectacularly geared.

Two reasons. A healer or brd could be able to do LB3. Not often. Second reason is to get the practice, especially deeper into the raid. If you don't dick around but work the mechanics like you should, it's all good imo. Running around, though, is just a waste of time.

This is why you never give up!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA5Rl...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by Anienai

This is why you never give up!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA5Rl...ature=youtu.be

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That was great lol! Yep, this is the reason why and it gets just that exciting if you're skyping with everyone. Everyone's freakin' out and it's just awesome, especially if you pull the impossible off!

never give up never surrender!!!

Winners never quit quitters never win !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-WHW-QNswE

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Originally Posted by Nayto

Actually no I'm applying to an FC that sells Extreme Primal wins, i have to show that I'm capable of carrying a losing party.

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Sneaky....

That's all.

or you could stop wasting our time by dying

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

Why do people continue to waste people's time when the group is all but dead, there is no LB3 available to rez everyone, and only 1-3 people left.

Perpetuating a wipe only serves to piss people off.

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Because

Because there's still hope that you can beat the mini boss/boss depending on hp. I've done it a few times as a whm.

I can say that once or twice I've been so wrapped up in doing as much damage as I could that I completely didn't even notice that the rest of the party was dead. Also, I've had times where it was just me and a healer left and I was TRYING to die but the healer wasn't in an obliging mood. Other times, I'm the last one standing and doing my best to die, but it's not fast enough for some impatient jerks that feel the need to tell me to die already as if they can't see that that is what I'm trying to do. etc etc etc.

I watched my wife and a PLD take down Titan HM from 10% to dead (PLD died right towards the end). She was hanging on a thread of HP and finished him off, it was so ridiculous I would call BS if I wasn't watching it happen on her screen. I've personally helped salvage many a fight gone bad, if I think we might be able to squeak out a win I'll be damn sure I try for it. Anyone else would as well if they were not watching from the floor.