I'm sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place, I do not know were else to post it. Anyway, here's my tale.
Earlier today, I was fighting Ultima Hard Mode. All was going great and wonderful until we got to the second set of lasers. Tank had 3 stacks, needed the switch off, the tank with no stacks dies. Obviously, we wipe. No biggie, mistakes happen. Well, the tank with the 3 tanks starts throwing a fit and starts going off on the other tank for not doing his job correctly. The other tank finally says that it was his first time and that he apologies. No issues after that, we try again. We get to that spot again, and we survive. Awesome! Did much better. Then the final sphere phase happens. The tank on the boss dies, and the tank leading the sphere charge also dies. (and yes tank lb was on). Again, another wipe. But we got further that time. So it shouldn't have been an issue right? NOPE! Apparently it was a huge problem for the experienced tank. He starts yelling and complaining to the new tank, (guess he was in the wrong stance or something), and telling him how terrible of a person he was. And then all of a sudden, the window to vote to kick the first timer tank appears. The motion to kick was rejected. At the very moment the motion was rejected, the experienced tank starts trolling the boss. He grabs Ultima's aggro and brings Ultima to the starting point to kill everyone. We all die. Obviously people started throwing out their "wtf" naturally. No response from the tank. We respawn and without figuring out what's going on, he immediately grabs Ultima and does it again. Wipe. Then we all respawn; and then he does it a THIRD time. Again, we all wipe. At this point I'm trying to vote to kick him. Nope. Can't do it. A message that says, "You cannot vote to kick when the battle has begin" appears. With how quickly he's grabbing Ultima's aggro we can't get to the page to vote to kick him fast enough. So now we're trying to abandon the instance. We can't. the message "You cannot vote to abandon when in battle" appears. So now we try to leave regardless of the 30min rule. Nope! "You cannot leave the instance when in battle" appears. So because he keeps grabbing aggro so quickly, we're stuck. We can't kick him, we can't abandon, and we can't leave. We literally have to sit here and suffer though his trolling for 1 hour. Nobody wanted to do that so we started switching our platforms off in order to leave the instance. Sadly, troll wins his little troll-trantrum (yes, lets make that a word now).
How're we supposed remove the troll if we cannot vote to kick him during battle? How're we supposed to leave the instance if we can't prevent the fight from beginning?
Do I have to turn my console off every single time a player decides to be hostile like this? Why can't the vote to kick, or leave the instance features remain open during battles? I get that they shouldn't be used to troll the way people do with the ready check. But if the motion is rejected, then there should be a 3min timer or something before you can do it again regardless of it being in battle or not.
This whole situation is really unfair to the players who just wanna leave the match.
Tank Trolling in Ultima
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03-06-2014, 11:49 AMVivi_BushidoTank Trolling in Ultima
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03-06-2014, 11:54 AMFayo
you can leave if you die... So you can just kill yourself to leave the instance or just leave before the start fight you should had time
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03-06-2014, 11:56 AMChihaya
Do everyone else a favor and report him in game :rolleyes:
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03-06-2014, 11:59 AMMcshiggs
According to SE anyone is free to engage or not engage any enemy at any time in an instance, so if you had managed to vote kick him, he could have reported you for abusing the vote kick system.
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03-06-2014, 12:00 PMSkivvy
That's awful. :( I'm getting so tired of people who foam at the mouth at the drop of a hat. I can only imagine how fun they are to be around in real life.
For the trolling, I believe you can disconnect for 11 minutes, and it should boot you out of the dungeon with no penalty. At least that's what I've heard, I could be wrong on that, so hopefully someone will come around to confirm. It sucks that you would have to be the one to take that step, but it's the only workaround for now if someone is going to be that big of an ass.
There really needs to be a place for player warnings. I get that things can turn ugly real fast in those type of threads, but having your reputation follow you around would deter at least some of the asshats. -
03-06-2014, 12:06 PMAmyNeudaizWhat he did was griefing and is actually a form of harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
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03-06-2014, 12:09 PMVivi_BushidoBelieve me, we tried. But it wouldn't work either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayo
Then why're you commenting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shujinkou
We did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chihaya
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't violate anything there. If enough people had hit "yes" then clearly that means enough people in the group wanted him gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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03-06-2014, 12:33 PMMcshiggsWhen I sent a ticket for someone doing the exact same thing on Titan, the response was that they have no rules stating how someone plays their character, and once inside an instance, anyone is free to attack or not attack anything as they see fit. As long as the person isn't going off in chat the whole time with things like "take this, screw you" they can't say if he was griefing or not, his keyboard could have messed up, he could have been trying a different strategy. They were hesitant to put in the vote kick system, and have said they will take any abuse seriously, they would most likely side with the one person that was getting "teamed up on" by the group, since being a prick isn't one of the valid reason to kick someone. I don't agree with it, but that's how SE operates.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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03-06-2014, 12:34 PMGrey_Cain
Stay dead, don't return or accept raise, and open the menu. You should be able to vote kick or leave the duty while still dead, and if everyone other than the tank stays down you'll have some time between his deaths and returns with no extra deaths of your own.
Edit: After watching some videos, looks like I'm wrong. If the whole party dies you get auto-rezzed, so that kills that idea. As long as someone can get away, though, you should still be able to get into the menu and initiate the vote while dead. -
03-06-2014, 12:50 PMZaelsPurposely trying to get your teammates killed is a form of griefing and selecting the "harassment" option is perfectly valid and justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
Same with going off on another player telling them how much of a terrible person they are. That's also a justified harassment kick. -
03-06-2014, 01:27 PMOPneedNerfs
Stay dead with the whole party. Let it timeout. Now the griefer can't do anything other than leave or waste his precious time.
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03-06-2014, 01:47 PMAirikayI don't believe that, because they give copy and paste responses and then say they can't tell you the outcome. And its always the same copy and paste. They have one for each of the reporting options. And its griefing. As other person said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
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03-06-2014, 02:22 PMAnapingofness
I hope you guys reported that jerk. I'm sorry this has happened to you. >_< Jeez, some people need to grow up!
Tbh, I had funny exp in Prae when my FC and I went to help one of our newbies finish it. Random tank joins through DF (7/8) and he tries to wipe us after realizing that we were gonna let our FC mate watch cs. We did try to talk to him before all of this but he got really nasty w/ us. So we reported him and vote kicked him out of group. Smooth run afterwards~ -
03-06-2014, 02:58 PMMazeratYeah, my very first Garuda HM (way back in September or so) had a BLM throw a fit after a wipe, start spewing obscenities at the tank, take off all his gear, and start pulling Garuda to wipe the group. Obvious harassment, right? Not according to CS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
I don't have the response from back then, but it was something along the lines of, "Unfortunately pulling is a gameplay mechanic that anyone is free to do as they see fit". Definitely not just the form "Thank you for reporting, cannot tell you the outcome, etc.". Was total BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airikay
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03-06-2014, 04:51 PMIlenyaI'm going to assume, as I've never run the fight in question, that like the HM primal fights when everyone is dead it starts over automatically? Or am I wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs
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03-06-2014, 06:05 PMrevonine
What a childish jerk, glad you reported him. I wonder if you asked the other tank to pop hallowed ground (if he was a paladin) or all his cooldowns would it have allowed you enough time to get a vote kick window open if your character was dead?
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03-06-2014, 06:28 PMBobbinT
Well... the tank trolling did cost great deal amount of gear damage, and the gil cost for repairs (or dark matters for self repair). That should be around 1.5k - 2k for the whole set.
And there's 7 ppl suffer because of him. That's 7 x 2k = 14k gil.
And with market issues these days, it's not easy to earn money too.
It's not just harassment anymore, he also steals your money in a way. Definitely report it. -
03-06-2014, 10:35 PMslipmac
lol owned. sorry that happened to you. but still owned
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03-06-2014, 10:58 PMDelsusTheir server logs will tell the GMs exactly what is going on and it's obvious this is not abuse of the vote kick system, now trying to vote kick someone because they are new is abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
@OP All you can do is report the tank for harassment, on 2 cases here, first abuse of the vote kick system, as he tried to vote kick someone because he was new, no other reason. If he didn't want to play he should have sucked up the 30 min penalty for leaving as he was the only one who was impatient. Also constantly pulling Ultima to troll you is also harassment. Just look his character up on the lodestone to find his server, if there are multiple options (based on class level and gear) just say "either server x, y or z and they will have the logs to see who was in the instance with you. -
03-06-2014, 11:02 PMWoggersYou're joking right? Purposely screwing over your pt and not allowing them to play the game is harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
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03-06-2014, 11:08 PMVivi_BushidoI wouldn't really classify that as being "owned" because he was on my team. If he had easily beaten me in the Wolfs Den, then sure, I got "owned" because he was my opponent. It's like playing Hardcore S&D in CoD 4 and your teammate takes out a RGP and kills his own teammates repeatedly with it. Does that consider him owning his own team? Or was he just being a dick? When you say "own" it's like congratulating him on a job well done. Which would encourage him to do it again; as most trolls eventually do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipmac
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03-07-2014, 01:15 AMKimikryoQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
So you got a non copy paste response? tell me more of it, for I don't believe you on this. -
03-07-2014, 03:06 AMslipmacim saying owned because you pay to play and for 30 mins or however long it whent on. the party was helpless to a massive troll attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido
and se does nothing. sounds pretty owned to me. reguardless if it was right or wrong. i vote wrong. but still funny. -
03-07-2014, 03:25 AMMcshiggs[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lFvQ55r.png?2[/IMG]Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimikryo
Never said I got a non copy paste response, because I am pretty sure this is one, telling me that anyone can pretty much do whatever they want while in a duty, because they have no rules saying they can't. -
03-07-2014, 03:52 AMTridus1x
I hope you reported him OP. Sorry that happened to you. I found tanks like this a lot in CT and I reported them, the GMs responded that they will look into it and never blew me off. In my experience GM's have been really good at addressing this type of behavior and never once have I been dismissed.
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03-07-2014, 04:13 AMAmyNeudaizThat reply leads me to believe you were reporting someone for another reason to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcshiggs
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03-07-2014, 05:26 AMParodine
I had a VERY similar event happen with a WHM in Ultima one time. We wiped twice, this WHM starts doing down the list telling people what to do, then runs an eruption right up to where the tank was standing in the 3rd attempt, I'll assume as an accident. Someone, but presumably him, initiates a 'Vote Abandon' but it fails. A minute or so goes by and no one leaves, so we figure everyone will give it another go. Well, the WHM just stands in the very back not moving and after one of the tanks says
'Alright, let's try again' he says 'No thank you' and we proceed to wipe. We vote-kicked him afterward, but it was just giving him what he wanted I guess. =/
It's frustrating to say the least. -
03-07-2014, 06:43 AMEvangela
just close the game client.
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03-07-2014, 08:46 AMYumi_umi
Be the better player and just leave after u die.
Trolls get no satisfaction if u don't put up a fight.
Leave, report.
If this was a PF/ pug group, just leave cuz there is no penalty.
If this was a DF party, just take the penalty hit and save everyone else the grief.
Cuz just leaving is much better than dying over and over again.
Also u get revived after an instance if u were dead now.
Looks to me like ur party got outplayed by a fussy tank.
" fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." -
03-07-2014, 01:07 PMNanamixAnd I don't think being a jerk on here with terrible grammar helps either.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipmac
Honestly, you should just throw in a report with the detail of what happened, OP. -
03-07-2014, 02:15 PMprymortal
That stuff happens quite a bit, i've actually looked up the 4 x tank, 2 x healers & 2 x DPS that have done that in the past vis DF: grabbing boss to mess up party trolling. Was suprised they were all from Sargatanas Server when i looked them up on the lodestone.
Defintly need a week ban or something for those kind of people! i dont mind rage quitting in anoying but sometimes justifyed, But trolls that wont pay for repairs after causing damage by doing this dont deserve to play the game!