Critical Chance vs Strength - Paladin

Is it worth sacrificing 26 str for 26 crit chance? Does it seem to make a big difference for people who have tested it? If I equip the direwolf bracelet and earring which has Vit and Crit chance, is that better than going all Direwolf str? The ring has str plus critical chance, but the Earring and bracelet both have vit plus crit chance.

str makes you strong

What would you need crit for? So instead of hitting for the usual 130 ROH you get that extra 2% chance to make it 240? Not worth it at all because PLD hits like a little girl to begin with.

Actually a critical with ROH can hit way more than that, 500 plus. And you only hit like girl if you don't know how to play the class well. I was testing on mobs now so don't know at all how the armor calculations work in this game. But was unbuffed hitting normal of 95 average, took away 40 strength and was hitting auto unbuffed 87 average, it made almost no difference. So is it worth sinking some more % into critical chance to double the damage instead of hitting a bit more each time.

No. Prime damage stat is worth about 6x a secondary at least.

But what are the numbers? I mean 40 str seems like 10 damage, roughly. how much % would 40 critical chance be? I just don't feel like doing the math and test for critical chance and test, if someone has done it, it would be awesome to hear what you have found. If there are armor calculations too done somewhere I'd love to see those as well.

Another question is, do stats have varied effects based on class? I know some games that do this, and the armor and stat calculations were insane.
Like Paladin str = 1.3x dmg while White Mage str = 0.9x dmg, etc.

Or is it uniform?

I run full str even attributes my ROH hits for 700 in PVE gear... So STR is what i stick too....

You're not factoring in the 22 determination loss. 26 STR/22 det for 26 crit is absolutely not worth it. VIT is a nonfactor for Paladin. Even without the determination you simply cannot neglect the value of your primary stat when the tradeoff is a paltry +1.81% crit chance.

STR >> Det > Crit > Speed

443 strength, 508 critical hit, 345 determination, 357 skill speed, 46 WD; I hit for 1,100~1,300 with a single Rage or Spirits. not penta-melded beyond guaranteed slots because i don't care.

Ah thanks for that! Also I made a mistake it would be 26 str for 32 crit. But if the crit for 26 is around 1.8%, then that helps see what the last number will look like, thanks.

Take a string of 100 damage auto-attack swings across a thousand hits. Using my value of 508 critical hit there is a 16.97% chance to deal x1.5 damage. I have no idea what the values for strength are but just using your rough analysis of 87~95 after removing 40 STR just assume that with 100 damage auto-attacks you would be losing ~8.5 damage a swing. Now let's disgrace math:

100 damage hits over 1,000 swings = 100,000 damage
170 of those swings will register as critical damage: 50*170 = 8,500
== 108,500 damage

Now adjust the strength and critical values. We'll swap the assigned values (-26 STR = -5.4737.. per swing; 540 critical hit = 19.20%):

94.5 damage hits over 1,000 swings = 94,500 damage
192 of those swings will register as critical damage: 50*192 = 9,600
== 104,100

This is incredibly basic math involving none of the modifiers that go into this game but try to bring what might seem like an insignificant drop in damage into perspective. Strength is king.

Something that would be harder to weigh would be Determination versus Critical Hit. The weight difference between stats like these is sometimes so small that they can barely be seen as superior to the other, and in the case of PvP you are pigeonholed into a specific item setup and only allowed to socket one or the other, thereby invalidating statistical freedom. The only reason I consider Det > Crit is because I feel safer in expanding the baseline instead of relying on percentage-based modifiers. I don't know which one is statistically better than the other, I just feel safe, and that works for me.

Thank you for the crit rates! With it being so low at 500 plus, strength is definitely better.

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Originally Posted by bbt

...and in the case of PvP you are pigeonholed into a specific item setup and only allowed to socket one or the other, thereby invalidating statistical freedom.

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FFXIV is a game defined by the illusion of choice. This thread is about PLD so let's review your options:




30 stat points
STR - The only right answer. Increases the DMG of every single offensive ability you have. Increases auto attack DMG. Also slightly increases block strength.
DEX - You have no ranged attacks. Even Shield Lob is melee. All 30 points in DEX would increase your block rate by < 2% and the only blocking you'll do in PvP is from Cover.
VIT - "Let's zerg the PLD, allowing the BLM and SCH to freecast", said nobody ever. You'll be the last to die 95% of the time and if anyone tries to burst you early you have Shield Oath, Rampart, Sentinel, Awareness, Bulwark, Convalescence, Flash, Shield Swipe, and Shield Bash. If all else fails 10s of invincibility + immunity to almost everything.
INT - No offensive spells. It literally does nothing for you.
MND - You don't have the Might and Mend traits and all PLD weapons have 0 magic damage. Your cures on the dying healer are like throwing band-aids at a guy when he's on fire. Seriously, with 400 MND your Cure will do < 350.
PIE - More MP for what? With 0 extra piety you have enough to use Flash and Stoneskin to your heart's content.



Cross class abilities
Cure - See above ^
Raise - Can't use it.
Stoneskin - It's only 10% and you have no Surecast/Swiftcast but it gives you something to do when you're bound, and Tempered Will is on CD, and you're out of TP for Shield Lob, and Enliven is on CD, and Icarus Wings are on CD, and your healer can't cleanse you...
Protect - Does nothing in PvP.
Foresight - Does nothing in PvP.
Fracture - It's a shorter duration than with MRD/WAR but it's better than nothing I guess.
Bloodbath - Not bad. Helps counter weak DoT spreading and AOEs.
Skull Sunder - You can't combo it. Oh boy 100 potency.
Mercy Stroke - Pretty essential. There's no reason not to use it if you have it.

You have a plethora of useless/unusable abilities to choose from.



Gear
Head/Chest/Hands/Waist/Legs/Feet - You have no choice. You can only wear the fending set.
Accessories - All pieces have one main stat. This is a repeat of the 30 point choice and again anything other than pure STR is the wrong answer.



Melds
You can't add any STR/VIT and the other main stats blow so it's Crit/Determination/Skill Speed on everything. With overmelds there's no wiggle room because you can hit the stat caps for those 3 on every item except chest, legs, and weapon. You could stack some sleep or stun resist materia but doing so means giving up a lot of secondary stats.