Any Word On Group Roulette?

I have been reading all the dev posts and information that is coming out with what is "In" and what is "Out" of patch 2.2 lately. Up until now though its been about Chocobos and how you can't queue in the Duty Finder with them out. I see this as a minor issue that while it needs to be fixed is not as immediate as some other lingering things.

So I ask about "Group Roulette". My friend who I have played MMOs with since meeting her in Rolanberry Fields a decade ago and I can not play together near as much due to our real life commitments. When added to the fact that we are in need of running solo queues in order to cap our Tomes for the week we just do not have near as much fun in the game. So are we going to finally be able to do this content together in 2.2 and be rewarded with the roulette bonus or are we stuck apart for another 3 months?

The point of the roulette is to get players to play old content so it doesn't dry up. If they implement a group roulette people will only play with their friends again and pugs, newbies and people who are soloing will have 18 hour ques again.

yes please, let us que with friends in DR, i find very boring this dungeon grind system, at least you can have some fun when you do it with friends, but since 2.1 i have done like 3 dungeons with friends, because doing roulette alone is faster and more rewarding than doing dungeons with a premade pty.

Something, something, after 2.3.

The idea behind duty roulette was to get solo players through the queue faster and give people a bonus for queuing solo. If you are playing with friends you already get the bonus of faster and smoother runs and less time in waiting for a queue.

They already said they were looking into adding this, but only they know when.

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Originally Posted by Tule

The point of the roulette is to get players to play old content so it doesn't dry up. If they implement a group roulette people will only play with their friends again and pugs, newbies and people who are soloing will have 18 hour ques again.

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Easy fix: don't give the roulette bonus if you queue as a full premade. This still lets new players progress while letting people play with a friend or two.

They already said they're adding this.

As far as I recall it was 2.2 or slightly after.

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Originally Posted by Tule

The point of the roulette is to get players to play old content so it doesn't dry up. If they implement a group roulette people will only play with their friends again and pugs, newbies and people who are soloing will have 18 hour ques again.

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People who want to queue solo will still queue solo.

People who want to queue with their friends will queue with their friends anway.

This won't change too much. Why restrict people who wish to play an MMO with friends, when there are plenty of people who prefer and or currently play solo?

For an MMO that originally promoted playing with your friends as its biggest factor, it sure has ruined that image with ARR so far. (IE. Coil Lockout/Solo content)

Even the job quests are solo now, most of the old friends/stranger friendly content is all but gone.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

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It will change. Because the people who que with friends are now queing solo. I am one of them. It stimulates the DF for solos. I would be for 2 player party roulette. But even that is iffy if the 2 players are both DPS and then take up a tank and healer together.

I'm a healer with friends. No matter what happens I'm set, but I am thinking about others. Duty Roulette is only once a day for the good stuff. I doubt anyone playing an MMO needs the bonus 40 marks that badly. If you are going que quickly and run a dungeon with your friends I am sure you can run two dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Tule

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Sorry the way you've typed that has made it really confusing.

But I still don't see how it's a huge issue. A lot of people primarily play these games to play with friends, having no option to do one of the main pieces of content with your friends is a shame. Since the duty roulette came out I've played with friends less and less, having the option to complete our daily roulette together would be much more fun.

Yes, there's a chance it might slow down the 'solo' queues as you said, but at the same time it's stinting the main point of this game.
Even if it is "Once a day" that's still "Once a day" I can't play with friends.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Sorry the way you've typed that has made it really confusing.

But I still don't see how it's a huge issue. A lot of people primarily play these games to play with friends, having no option to do one of the main pieces of content with your friends is a shame. Since the duty roulette came out I've played with friends less and less, having the option to complete our daily roulette together would be much more fun.

Yes, there's a chance it might slow down the 'solo' queues as you said, but at the same time it's stinting the main point of this game.
Even if it is "Once a day" that's still "Once a day" I can't play with friends.

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How is it stinting it? You don't HAVE to do the duty roulette. The duty roulette has no unique content. You are choosing 40 tomes over your friend. If 40 tomes means "you no can no longer enjoy the game with your friends" then you must not really be friends. And again, its 40 tomes ONCE a day.

If you're asking to queue as a group for Duty Roulette to get the bonuses, you're basically asking them to throw out the window the main reason why they put it in the game in the first place: to help people playing solo get a group more easily.

DR doesn't prevent people from doing stuff with their friends. Surely capping your weekly tome allowance slower is a small price to pay for being able to play with your friends. Hell, most people in my FC cap their Myth during THs.

If they're going to add a group roulette, I second the thought other players have mentioned.
"Remove the bonus associated with the roulette if queuing in a party equating to two or more players."
Either that, or don't bother working on a group roulette feature. Its just going to negate the current purpose of the DR if the bonus still applies to a group queuing.

"I want to play only with my friends and receive a prize for it!"

On the flip side, for all those doom and gloom solo queue fortune tellers, this may actually get more groups running than the current system. I know that no one in my FC bothers to run DR because it's boring running without any friends in your group and we don't need tomes enough to be bothered with it. If we could actually queue DR with a friend or two there would be a much higher chance we would run the DR. Even if that only adds one or two spots per group....that is still more spots than the zero a lot of people are contributing now.

Yeah, but if you have 4 soloers that is one party. If you have a trio and 4 soloers that is 1 party and 3 soloers. It is worse. Only the people that don't need the DF would be helped. Again, I wouldn't mind testing this, but they would need to still have a max of 2 in a group and possibly a slight reward deduction. Like maybe 10 less tomes or maybe all tomes, but no money reward. Not like the gil is all that much.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

The idea behind duty roulette was to get solo players through the queue faster and give people a bonus for queuing solo. If you are playing with friends you already get the bonus of faster and smoother runs and less time in waiting for a queue.

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I usually heal or tank and a buddy of mine does the opposite of what I am doing. Since the introduction of Roulette we noticed that the amount of time we were spending together hanging out dropped to almost never. So we stopped doing Roulette because we want to hang out together. SO you just lost a healer and tank from the DF, does that make it faster for you?

the bonus mustn't be given for over 2 people, 1 and 2 people yes. often couple play together... the duty roulette is simply splitting couple for nothing. it's still give 2 room for solo player to find a room.

At least a roulette that lets you queue with one or two others. All that needs to be done is take away the ability to give commendations to the people you queued with. It feels lonely not being about to do a random dungeon with friends.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

They already said they're adding this.

As far as I recall it was 2.2 or slightly after.

People who want to queue solo will still queue solo.

People who want to queue with their friends will queue with their friends anway.

This won't change too much. Why restrict people who wish to play an MMO with friends, when there are plenty of people who prefer and or currently play solo?

For an MMO that originally promoted playing with your friends as its biggest factor, it sure has ruined that image with ARR so far. (IE. Coil Lockout/Solo content)

Even the job quests are solo now, most of the old friends/stranger friendly content is all but gone.

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Finally one smart person.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

If you're asking to queue as a group for Duty Roulette to get the bonuses, you're basically asking them to throw out the window the main reason why they put it in the game in the first place: to help people playing solo get a group more easily.

DR doesn't prevent people from doing stuff with their friends. Surely capping your weekly tome allowance slower is a small price to pay for being able to play with your friends. Hell, most people in my FC cap their Myth during THs.

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The problem is, dungeons were one of the only things I could do with friends outside of a static group.
Coil, primals and sometimes even the Crystal Tower parties are the same tight knit groups, only when it comes to the daily roullete did people think "Wow, I wish I could go with my friends I never get to play with anymore..."

Dungeons aren't the only content you can do with friends, but if you can get your bonuses together and have fun at the same time, why not group together?

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Originally Posted by Tule

How is it stinting it? You don't HAVE to do the duty roulette. The duty roulette has no unique content. You are choosing 40 tomes over your friend. If 40 tomes means "you no can no longer enjoy the game with your friends" then you must not really be friends. And again, its 40 tomes ONCE a day.

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I still don't get why it's an issue.

Two Roulletes

[Solo and Group Roulette], you'd still have the option to do either. Nothing is forcing you to group up for daily roulletes, and nothing is forcing you to do them solo either (once released).

You're still going to be paired with other players seeking a dungeon regardless of this new addition, so what difference would it make if you both queued seperateley or in a group? The difference is particularly minimal.


People will still queue solo. Other MMO's have proven this.

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Originally Posted by DSN

I usually heal or tank and a buddy of mine does the opposite of what I am doing. Since the introduction of Roulette we noticed that the amount of time we were spending together hanging out dropped to almost never. So we stopped doing Roulette because we want to hang out together. SO you just lost a healer and tank from the DF, does that make it faster for you?

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Exactly. This is the only point I want to get across strongly.

I'm missing finding things to play with friends (outside of weekly locked out content), which there simply doesn't seem to be in ARR at the moment.

As others have said letting groups do the Roulette defeats the purpose of the Roulette itself. If bonus tomes are worth more to you than playing with friends then use the Roulette, if not que up the old fashioned way and enjoy your dungeon with your friends, even with 2 DPS que times are much shorter than queing solo which the bonus tomes make up for. Sounds to me you guys want it both ways, bonus tomes and much shorter ques but you'll get that at the expence of others just trying to clear content or que up solo, I don't think that's fair and I don't think they'll implement it.

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Originally Posted by DSN

I usually heal or tank and a buddy of mine does the opposite of what I am doing. Since the introduction of Roulette we noticed that the amount of time we were spending together hanging out dropped to almost never. So we stopped doing Roulette because we want to hang out together. SO you just lost a healer and tank from the DF, does that make it faster for you?

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But that leaves 2 DPS spots open, people in the Roulette can fill those slots so you'll only negatively effect other people's que times if you and your friend stop doing dungeons all together or you only do pre-made parties. If you still use the DF you've made no difference at all by refusing to Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

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Because people will group que with an entire party. Then get the daily bonus. The daily bonus is suppose to support DF and solos. You can already get quick, fast and smooth runs with your friends. You don't need more incentive on top of that. Which is why I said two might work. More than that defeats the primary purpose. DPS will still be sitting in ques for hours on end because two dps and a tank que'd together and stole the solo healer sitting in the waiting pool.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

As others have said letting groups do the Roulette defeats the purpose of the Roulette itself. If bonus tomes are worth more to you than playing with friends then use the Roulette, if not que up the old fashioned way and enjoy your dungeon with your friends, even with 2 DPS que times are much shorter than queing solo which the bonus tomes make up for. Sounds to me you guys want it both ways, bonus tomes and much shorter ques but you'll get that at the expence of others just trying to clear content or que up solo, I don't think that's fair and I don't think they'll implement it.

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I am maxed on tomes dont care about them, I really liked the randomness of the Roulette system, I can only queue so many things but Roulette pulls from a larger list of dungeons, story modes, etc. I cant queue normal ifrit but I can help people by randomly joining roulette. Sometimes we just get bored running the same dungeons and want a 'random' change on scenery. We play because we like the game not because we need anything from doing this anymore.