dose anyone miss the old way of lvling up insted of fates (plz read)

really dose anyone miss how you could get a group of friends together and go out in a party to lvl up. i mean yea people have gotten used to the fates and grinding dungeons. yea you may be able to get some friends and go out and kill but you dont have the level sync option. i personally enjoyed 1.0 yea 2.0 has some upgrades that are good but i dont like that how the only way people lvl anymore are fates and dungeons. yea you can do side quests but they only get you so far. about the only problem i had with 1.0 was the seamless zoning and the high graphics you had to be loaded just to afford a computer to run it. and just so every one knows its not just the party system that im wanting back its the soloing aspect that 11 had that 14 dosent i miss the solo grind i mean come on i understand that some people dont like it but there are also people that dont like fates and dungeons

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Originally Posted by Cryptic-Shadow

really dose anyone miss how you could get a group of friends together and go out in a party to lvl up. i mean yea people have gotten used to the fates and grinding dungeons. yea you may be able to get some friends and go out and kill but you dont have the level sync option. i personally enjoyed 1.0 yea 2.0 has some upgrades that are good but i dont like that how the only way people lvl anymore are fates and dungeons. yea you can do side quests but they only get you so far. about the only problem i had with 1.0 was the seamless zoning and the high graphics you had to be loaded just to afford a computer to run it.

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Yup, and we won't get it back.


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Well actually some of the new content is nice too, but having the option to level like we did in XI and 1.23 would be nice too.

I really do, along with many other things :(

Nope. Not in the slightest. I'm glad old-style FFXI 'dooms parties' are gone forever. Okay the social aspect was fun, but gameplay wise exp parties were an absolute drag, especially if there was competition with other parties for mobs.

And I'll never forget wasting an entire night (as in, spent over 9 hours waiting) in FFXI as a level 30ish WHM in Rabao waiting for a pt invite that never came circa 2005. That one incident is partially why I hate exp party grinding now, and am glad Yoshi-P gave it the boot in ARR.

No, I prefer running dungeons.

I'll still do FATEs while I'm in que, but I much prefer leveling via dungeons. It's helped me learn how to use my skills in combat situations. For instance, it's hard to learn how to position on DRG or MNK for each skill if you're soloing FATE mobs.

I do greatly miss Wolf Camp. 2 WHM 1 BLM and the rest WAR made good Spiritbond parties

i dont see why they couldn't implement that aspect into the game. since they're providing a lot alternatives, having this shouldn't pose much of an issue i think. I also kinda miss mob grinding with buddies. its a real bonding experience lol despite its shortcomings

What exactly prevents you from making a party and just head to a zone with enemies that are 10+ levels higher than you and start murdering mobs?

We need areas with mobs that are as strong as dungeon mobs, and that give the same experience, that way people don' t have to queue for dungeons and can party up with peeps and just grind endlessly if they feel like it! :D

In the end, it's all a grind either way you look at it. I prefer running varying dungeons then staring at the 1000th blue crab though.

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What exactly prevents you from making a party and just head to a zone with enemies that are 10+ levels higher than you and start murdering mobs?

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Because mobs are set up to automatically link on everything if you try pulling them on a party, meaning it's impossible to 'camp' them. Plus mobs are also leashed to a specific spot so you can't pull them from a long distance like you used to in FFXI. And the exp you get from a mob that's ten-twenty levels higher than you is just the same as the exp you get for a mob that's ten levels below you.

Hence, although nothing is indeed stopping you from doing an old-school FFXI style exp party, it's not worth it really in the long run, even assuming you can find people willing to do that - especially when it's easier to just do FATEs for the same exp and get a bonus at the end too.

A good way to level with friends is by Leve Linking.

Trying to build up skill chains and seeing how many dozens of mobs you could kill at once was rather fun. The closest thing I have right now to that is the water sprite camp with chocobos.

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What exactly prevents you from making a party and just head to a zone with enemies that are 10+ levels higher than you and start murdering mobs?

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Honestly it's not a horrible move at a certain level. You're significantly stronger in the over world than in dungeons (lv30 range) you'd need; 8/8 Party 3 Tank 3 DPS 2 Heals, an area with a high population of mobs, and a rested bonus. 300+XP per mob higher with a good chain - a Tank can handle 3-6 mobs at a time, DPS helps Tank with kills, Healers coverTank + DPS pairs & lay Aero on everything in reach.

3x (300+) EXP x3 = 2700 EXP per pull - and you could even cheat the system with a little willing help from a lv50 BLM or WHM -> Pull then let outside AoE (Holy/Flare/Fire2) burn your mobs more quickly.

People are just too lazy to group up and try it. :P

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In the end, it's all a grind either way you look at it. I prefer running varying dungeons then staring at the 1000th blue crab though.

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Yeaahhh, but it is not the same if you do it with strangers than with fc mates, you really need to build some "comradership" otherwise you will be running solo most of the time when you need things like relic quests or farm groups for coil or extremes.

im not saying remove fates or dungeons. im saying bring back the old lvling ways some people like grinding fates or dungeons. i just miss making a party at lvl 10 and staying together for 10hrs+ i have had many experience like that in ffxi would be nice to bring that to 14. in a party you can have 8 people in a low lvl dungeon you get 4 what do you do if you have more then 4 friends that you want to play with. what if say me and 5 other of my RL friends bought the game to play it together. Story line quests force you to play dungeons. or whats to say i bought the game cause i like the game and i wana play solo the low exp from mobs makes that take way to long. if im solo and its trying to force me to play with 3 other people that i dont know some times i just wana play solo witch i could do in 11 but not so much in 14. personally i always took my BLU out to get spells when i wanted to solo on 11. but that last part is a totally different subject.

Didnt play 1.23 but I'm assuming this is about grinding mobs?

I love grinding mobs, I hate fates and the dungeons in this game are long and boring so I hate those too >_>

yea grinding mobs is pretty much what its about but with how it is now i just dont see any point with going out and spending hours grinding. in 11 i could spend hours and get a good amount of lvls. in 14 i can spend a few hours chasing fates everywhere and maby get half a lvl or que for a dungeon and sit there for 3 hours and not even get in one which is the reason i wish grinding mobs was more worth it. i have read all the responses to this thread and once or twice cant remember some one has said bringing mobs that are as powerful as the ones in the dungeons out and that give the same exp. personally i wouldn't care if everything got a power upgrade as long as they upgraded how much exp it handed out. although with low lvl 1-10 still gota leave them a lill bit squishyer cause people are still getting used to game and controls. i personally even in 14 can hit 10 in a mater of an hour or so.

and also i think as you go through the game the diversity in look for the mobs and fighting styles even should change im not saying totally but when i look at a mob i wana be able just by the way they look prety much tell wether im looking at a higher lvl one or a lower lvl one. whether that be with collor or hell make the higher lvl mobs a bit bigger and add a lill bit of scaring or something. if said mob was able to reach said lvl they woulda went thro allot and got a few scares maby they became sickly or something its just another topic whether its disused in this topic or not just another one of the things i would like to see fixed or tweaked. along with adding more jobs but im giving them a good amount of time before i complain about that.(all im saying is give me my BLU back)

there are multiple things that i think SE could do to help but its all gona take time. altho with the fates i do think if they made it where partying was a good way for lvling they should take the number of fates that spawn in one zone are eather less or spread out a lill bit more cause one thing i would be woried about is if you are partying then a fate spawnd on you with the way fates are (granted i hadent played in a lill bit plan on playing soon just gota talk myself into it cause i miss how 1.0 and 11 where) i lag so bad that im eather dead befor i see one mob or cant hit one mob cause i cant see them to hit them and people complain if you spam aoe's ive been siting here thinking of ways cause i know you cant just put the idea out there and it even have a chance of hapaning you gota figure out or sugest a viable way for it to be done.......................................................

...................................if you have any ideas post them here. and i know not all will agrea with me on this subject im not saying remove the way it is now im just saying at a lill bit of the old school back to it i know for a fact that SE has lost players that liked it how it was in 1.0 my aunt being one of them and if i cant get back into it i might be also. i know a couple people wont break them but i was loyal to 11 till abyssea and i came back after a while till seakers of adoline or how ever its spelled so far i still fell like they have broke ffxiv. i love the fact that they have implemnted the houseing aspect of it i like that just fell its a lill early. sorry for my rants just giveing sugestions for a game i once loved and hopefully will love again

It be nice to see some stronger mobs or more of an op world but after how 1.0 looked and big and boring the world was ill take what we have for now as i know things will change at some point as this game will only get bigger:D and one more thing if ppl wanna know how ARR looks with a big op zone go to Sagolii Desert that has to be the most boring spot in this game it's big and has nothing worth doing beside the level 47 quest Zombies Are People Too

personly i dont think 1.0 was boring and i liked the fact that it was more open world based dident have to join a dungeon to get great exp. and fates im just so burnt out on fates i hate them and wish to soak them in gasoline and light them on fire. but keep them cause they are liked by many but dont use them for every event. i liked that i could see a shout and join a party go to said location and start killing and get good exp and lvl that way. now if you try to shout for a party where your just grinding on mobs your gona get laughed at. i have read forums about people arent learning how to do there job because of fates and they need to do more dungeons..........................................

................................................dungeons are predictable what beter way to learn how to do your job then grinding on hard mobs for extended periods of times with a party wether it be set up how people think it should or your own custom way in 11(yes i know i refer to 11 alot but i played it forever)me and my cusin and our group of friends it might have been a small group but we could low man what it took an alince to do or duo what it took a party to do we may not succeed right at first but after a few atemps we had it down that aspect is lost in 14 i miss that aspect where you could go and low man something to get your drop because people where all linkshell based and if you dident start the linkshell you where at the botom of the list

grinding mobs at 50% exp forever on a massive empty lifeless overworld

If i wanted to do that, i'd go play some F2P KMMO.

The problem is that whatever is the quickest way to level is what people will gravitate to, and whatever they add or change to favor that is what everyone will do, forsaking other avenues. If they buffed chocobo exp and suddenly getting a chocobo party together and roaming the countryside fighting mobs in the open suddenly became the fastest way to level, that's what everyone would do, ignoring FATEs (unless it happened in their immediate vicinity) and dungeons. If it's discovered that you can clear a certain dungeon in mere minutes by putting together a group of 4 BLMs and speed nuking one specific dungeon, that's what you'll be expected to do, so I hope you enjoy BLM.

Point is, people will always gravitate towards what is easiest and most expedient. The game isn't lacking for options. You can run dungeons to get exp. You can do FATEs to get exp. You can put a chocobo party together to run around killing mobs for exp. You could even put a traditional PT together and go out into the wild and kill things. But people will, generally, only do what is fastest. If they do introduce something, if it's not the fastest means of gaining exp, people won't do it. And if it is, they'll stop doing dungeons and FATEs.

I think the real joy of it is that there really is no definitive "BEST" way for leveling. You can rush fates, you can blaze through battlecrafts by Levelinking with parties, you could run dungeons.


There's nothing worse in a game then having the most optimal path be the most monotonous and boring one. At least XIV gives you more than one poison to pick from.

yea the eletist croud will alwase lean tward the fastist rout spead runing dungeons (allready hapans) focused toward one type of lvling but there are many people that like to grind the old way and meat new people i havent really meat anyone doing fates and the people i meat doing dungeons arent alwase able to play with in fates cause they could be on a difrent server. and no there will not be any abandoning of the fates cause as far as i know right now there are no other ways to get FC seals witch is what you use to buy from the Grand company

or to get your chocabo and dungeons will not be abandond cause you get unique armour or rare if that is what you wana call it you cant get that armour from killing mobs outside. and like edellis sead there is not one definitive best way for leveling people will go there own rout do what they prefer what suits them best or what they find funner. personly i would also like the developers to implament NM not fate orinted more time spawnd ones like in 11 i miss camping thos and geting good gear from thos.

i just dont like how geting gear is focused to dungeons or tomes or crafting and what if i dont want to throw a chocobo party together. and also the game dose not just consist of eletist players that take one path there are thousands apon thosands of players so there has to be multiple paths that can be taken if there was only one posable path it might as well not be an mmo and should have been released as a regular single player RPG and i dident start this thread thinking anything would be done i started it hopeing a developer might see it

weather one dose or not i dont care this is just where i am voiceing my opinion and what i think would help. and also i would like to see a biger diversity in how a class can be built or used insted of one single one that is why i favored BLU in 11 cause there where so many posabilitys. im just saying nuthing gets abandond new stuff is over crowded at first cause people wana see how it works and some like it more then others adding more ways of lvling just makes it to where everything isent so crowded for everyone. and personly once i hit 34 it took forever to hit 50 cause the 2 places there where to lvl i couldent ever see the mobs it was spam AOE and get yealed at and just take what ever exp i got. i dont mean to upset anyone altho i dont care if i do

You can edit your posts to get around the character limit.

ehhh posting 4 of them in a row really dosent bother me but thank you for the tip ill do that next time the multiple posts is only way i have figured out how to get everything iwana say on the thread. im sorry to everyone on the topic of a game that i once love i go kinda nuts

Even if they changed it so we could xp camp grind like ffxi, i'll never get to experience that, Why? Well once I get black mage from 42-50 I will have leveld every class in this game to 50. Then I'll have to do end-game, hopefully i'll enjoy it.

PS. I have a full-time job and can't play this 16 hours a day, yet still managed to level all the classes within 7 months of release just by grinding dungeons. I've literally never joined a FATE party, but one time and that was for a lighting event fate.

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Nope. Not in the slightest. I'm glad old-style FFXI 'dooms parties' are gone forever. Okay the social aspect was fun, but gameplay wise exp parties were an absolute drag, especially if there was competition with other parties for mobs.

And I'll never forget wasting an entire night (as in, spent over 9 hours waiting) in FFXI as a level 30ish WHM in Rabao waiting for a pt invite that never came circa 2005. That one incident is partially why I hate exp party grinding now, and am glad Yoshi-P gave it the boot in ARR.

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I couldn't agree more with you, Ms./Mr. Roux. I understand why people like the system, but little things like this destroyed the enjoyment of the exp grind. (Exping at a camp, having fun, and someone starts soloing the party's mobs. Getting an invite, halfway there party disbands. As I said, little things.)

neaver said party grinding was easy there is a lill bit of a complication but obviusly there are ways to get around the dick heads eather move camp or just out pull what they are fighting which is what i prefered to do im not saying its easy im not trying to get easy stuff just trying to bring more of a social aspect back to it because as it is right now i really dont run into anyone new with dungeion que selecting from all servers that isent a good sorce and fate partys your runing around all the time not enough time to talk barly say hi when im in them and end game everyone is so bussy fighting i have maby made 3 friends in endgame and thats just cause we spamed the same thing multiple difrent times together and im allready in a FC granted its a small family/friend FC but really it was so much easyer to meet new people in 11 that is more of the aspect i want back. and partys hapans to be where i would meet people and i personly find the grinding and defending your spot a fun thing and if they made the mobs stronger and gave more exp would bring the solo aspect back i have a frined that prefers the solo aspect and there just isent one its gone and that used to be a fun thing also is just going out and soloing. o and some times if the party was in danger we would take a small break i would switch jobs and just kill faster then they could and screw there exp till they left i mean there are ways to be more of an asshole then other people you just gota be willing to do it

Have you ever tried linking battlecraft levequests in a party and grinding those out together, or farming multiple Treasure chests in succession?

i just wana be able to go out to a location for 4hrs and kill the same thing over and over no other tasks even when the books came with pages in 11 i dident even mess with thos. i just wana kill the same mobe hundreds of times in a row and lvl up at a decent rate

You can do that now, nothing is stopping you, the longer you can keep an exp chain going the better the exp you'll get, just don't be surprised if people would rather do something else.

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