Titan XM Advice

Hi guys and girls.

Been having problems this week on Titan XM as Main Tank (I don't get the Adds) and avoiding Landslides during the Adds phase. My first clear went without a hitch, but I've been attempting it over and over again this week with very little luck.

Whenever Titan does his five way Landslide during the Row Bombs in the Adds Phase, I get knocked off, whether it is in the first or second phase. I've managed to survive the first Phase using Tempered Will to avoid the knock back, only to then get knocked off during the second phase, as it's still on cooldown.

Any advice on positioning would be good. I'm positioned North, just to the west of the little protrusion sticking out of the arena, which means I should only have to eat one Bomb if I stay in place, and the (very capable) Off Tank takes the Adds East.

I just feel like I'm letting the team down as whenever all the Healers and the DPS survive long enough to get to the Adds, it's me that dies.

You can try using Hallowed Ground for the second phase 5-way landslide. As far as I know, Hallowed Ground will also prevent knockbacks. Either that, or maybe you just have to react faster. Or maybe you have ping issues. It's hard to tell you how to position since Titan chooses a person at random and does Landslide on that person. Where the other 4 landslides hit is totally up to who Titan chose to Landslide on.

Dont tank him on the edge but a little more near the center gives you more room. Not too far or the rest might get problems with the slide.
Advice the group to stand left or right of the Arena not in the middle line. This will result in Titan turning as he landslides opening a larger gap for you to stand in.

Thanks guys. Some good ideas there. I play on PS3, so might potentially be some latency issues, but I don't seem to have too many issues on any other content. Tanking him slightly closer to the middle might be a good idea, as it should hopefully open up a larger triangle for me to stay safe in, no matter who he targets.

And that triangle gets larger the more the target he aims at is away from the center. Beeing a healer I have to say ist the best spot for me to stay at that time but it makes the life of the tank easier to step away from there. OT may benefit from that either to catch any loose adds if the Group steps a bit towards his side.

Keep in mind the safe spot for MT is always "behind" Titan. When you know his Landslide is coming, pay attention to who he targets and turns to, you'll be able to easily move behind him for the safe zone. Takes a little practice, but once you know what to look for it isn't so bad. Better to eat a bomb then a landslide. ;o

Behind Titan is great advice and easy to watch for.

Also I just stay north and pay attention to the others positioning since they should all be south or east during adds. So I know to stay north or get ready to dodge west.

I save tempered for adds. Even when I shouldn't get them things can get crazy post heart and you never know if you might have to tank them the second time around.

There is always HG as stated above but you have to be proactive with it or it won't fire in time.

Here's what I do as a War:

1. Wait at the east side of the stage and stay there.
2. When adds pop use steel cyclone on the add that spawned on the east and use tomahawk on the west add till you establish aggro. Overpower a couple of times to secure hate on both.
3. When the first set of bombs (N, E, S, W) drop wait till Titan does his landslides and dodge them, then move towards the next set of bombs (NE, SE, SW, NW) and sit inside it.
4. When the first set explodes run back to where you first started (East). You got about 2 secs so its easy to dodge with practice.

Depending on how the adds die you may have to move a bit to avoid getting heavy debuff from the aoe. My static stays south with me on the east and mt to the north.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

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1. The OP is asking about MT Titan, not adds tank.
2. Your way of getting aggro is very inefficient. Use Heavy Swing on Titan when he drops -> Maim -> Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder West add -> Butcher's Block East add -> Steel Cyclone -> Overpower -> hate sealed.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

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What? Why would you Steel Cyclone on one add. That's an enormous waste of 5 Wrath stacks and builds less aggro than a combo'ed Butcher's Block.

Simply don't tank to close to the edge, leave yourself enough room to avoid 5 ways landslide and enough room for other to stay alive from upveal.

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Originally Posted by bokchoykn

What? Why would you Steel Cyclone on one add. That's an enormous waste of 5 Wrath stacks and builds less aggro than a combo'ed Butcher's Block.

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Depends. It's foolish to waste those stacks on a puny steel cyclone, but if your caster is set up to meteor adds, then yes, steel cyclone is pro, because the add phase comes with stomps, and healer aoe will pull those adds from you.

Tomahawk Steel cyclone then quickly over power, is enough to keep the hate off healers with the stomp spam, and then meteor drops follow by a massive aoe burn. Very neat and clean and little to worry about those potato landslides.

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Originally Posted by Traek

Keep in mind the safe spot for MT is always "behind" Titan. When you know his Landslide is coming, pay attention to who he targets and turns to, you'll be able to easily move behind him for the safe zone. Takes a little practice, but once you know what to look for it isn't so bad. Better to eat a bomb then a landslide. ;o

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why you got no like for this advice ?
+1 for you

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Behind Titan is great advice and easy to watch for.

Also I just stay north and pay attention to the others positioning since they should all be south or east during adds. So I know to stay north or get ready to dodge west.

I save tempered for adds. Even when I shouldn't get them things can get crazy post heart and you never know if you might have to tank them the second time around.

There is always HG as stated above but you have to be proactive with it or it won't fire in time.

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Dont tank him north. Rather tank him on 1 o´clock or 11 this will result in the row-bomb-pattern opening more save space as he landslides with adds present. No difference for you but if your group has trouble luring the landslide to a specific location they will thank you if the pattern goes worst case ( N-S with savespot on the addside)

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Depends. It's foolish to waste those stacks on a puny steel cyclone, but if your caster is set up to meteor adds, then yes, steel cyclone is pro, because the add phase comes with stomps, and healer aoe will pull those adds from you.

Tomahawk Steel cyclone then quickly over power, is enough to keep the hate off healers with the stomp spam, and then meteor drops follow by a massive aoe burn. Very neat and clean and little to worry about those potato landslides.

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There actually is no reason to Steel Cyclone one add, ever. Bokchoy is right. Even if you have no combo'd SS or BB ready for left add, a simple Heavy Swing + Brutal Swing will easily get the left add to the right add for a SS, where you can BB the first one, or simply Overpower spam a few times if you are nervous about healer. I'd argue in this situation that IB is better used anyways, as healers nor DPS are going to pull hate off you with a few Overpowers anyways. Healers are more stressed in this situation, and putting up some extra mitigation for them would be more appreciated then more unneeded threat.

Not sure why you are bringing up caster LB, it has no threat associated with it. My favorite pickup methods that literally never fail is either combo's SS + Brutal Swing left add, then combo'd BB right add, followed by an overpower or two. Casters always start LB as soon as I get to the right, and it never fails. Another I do is Combo'd BB left add, then Brutal swing + spin around overpower second (hits 1st as well). Either one always works. No Steel Cyclone needed, and more mitigation for your healers so they can focus on MT. Most the time its needed. By far the most I see MT go down is during adds, because of the split heals and movement from landslide + bombs.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

why you got no like for this advice ?
+1 for you

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lol Thanks. :)

Guys, thanks for all the help.

I finally ended up clearing it on Monday night in the end as Off Tank on my Warrior anyway, so all is well! Think I'll stick to Off Tanking this one as our other Tank in my usual Team only has Paladin to 50.

One thing to add, I found my way of grabbing the adds to be pretty effective, and as its a pretty universally known one, I didn't lose hate once during our attempts.

I got a Combo'd Butchers Block ready while Titan was doing his Ultimate Attack following the Heart Phase, waited to the west, got Butchers Block off on that add, turned and Tomahawk'd the other add before running over and Overpowering. As I'm on PS3, I found it difficult to concentrate on rotating the adds and avoiding stuff, so I kept one of them targetted and just used Overpower, while popping Vengeance and then Infuriate > Inner Beast to eat one of the Bombs.

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Originally Posted by Traek

There actually is no reason to Steel Cyclone one add, ever. Bokchoy is right. Even if you have no combo'd SS or BB ready for left add, a simple Heavy Swing + Brutal Swing will easily get the left add to the right add for a SS, where you can BB the first one, or simply Overpower spam a few times if you are nervous about healer. I'd argue in this situation that IB is better used anyways, as healers nor DPS are going to pull hate off you with a few Overpowers anyways. Healers are more stressed in this situation, and putting up some extra mitigation for them would be more appreciated then more unneeded threat.

Not sure why you are bringing up caster LB, it has no threat associated with it. My favorite pickup methods that literally never fail is either combo's SS + Brutal Swing left add, then combo'd BB right add, followed by an overpower or two. Casters always start LB as soon as I get to the right, and it never fails. Another I do is Combo'd BB left add, then Brutal swing + spin around overpower second (hits 1st as well). Either one always works. No Steel Cyclone needed, and more mitigation for your healers so they can focus on MT. Most the time its needed. By far the most I see MT go down is during adds, because of the split heals and movement from landslide + bombs.



lol Thanks. :)

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Because there around 1-3 seconds before your threat takes effect for the potatos come back to you. Any war worth his salt will know this problem, can be solved with a steel cyclone, because of it's non target component can pull hate right from the spawn point, which redirects threat completely to the warrior without that "rubber band hate effect".

rubber band effect = Overpower miss! get it?

This is the trick behind CT giant pulling as well. If you steel cyclone at the spawn point, they will not spend that couple of seconds wacking randomly line of sight targets. (Also useful for Turn4 to prevent rubber band phase 5)

It is not an issue if there is no caster LB scheduled for adds. but if there is, the blms usually pre casts very early, because they need the maximum time allowed to do an aoe burn rotation before the landslide-cross bomb pattern starts.

There's a reason for everything, don't mock the usefulness of a steel cyclone.

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Originally Posted by LukeyP666

while popping Vengeance and then Infuriate > Inner Beast to eat one of the Bombs.

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You can avoid both bombs by positioning yourself and just be quick about moving as soon as you see the first bomb blows up. Remember to move along the edge of the arena so the adds don't aim Landslide at your teammate. That Inner Beast could've been used to eat Mountain Buster when you switch tanks. I've tanked both adds and titan as warrior and honestly, you just gotta be more careful to not get landslide off the platform since our version of Tempered Will is tied into Holmgang.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

You can avoid both bombs by positioning yourself and just be quick about moving as soon as you see the first bomb blows up. Remember to move along the edge of the arena so the adds don't aim Landslide at your teammate. That Inner Beast could've been used to eat Mountain Buster when you switch tanks. I've tanked both adds and titan as warrior and honestly, you just gotta be more careful to not get landslide off the platform since our version of Tempered Will is tied into Holmgang.

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I think the problem is when you aoe potato fast. Their landslide is tied to their hp(?) which happen if you kill too fast (or too far apart for sludge). It's hard to gauge as different dps will have different amounts of damage speed (and whether you lb adds or not lvl1 or lvl2 etc)

Even tempered will or invincible, has a lag time which is extremely dangerous for those landslides, so even plds rarely choose to eat it, and prefer to dodge it (or temper and dodge). Same with holmgang...omg the lag time on activation is scary if you choose to use it.

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Originally Posted by LukeyP666

Whenever Titan does his five way Landslide during the Row Bombs in the Adds Phase, I get knocked off, whether it is in the first or second phase. I've managed to survive the first Phase using Tempered Will to avoid the knock back, only to then get knocked off during the second phase, as it's still on cooldown.

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Tempered Will the first phase. Hallowed Ground the second.

Basically I pop Hallowed as soon as Titan starts turning to cast landslide. There's really no other point in the fight where you're going to need it.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Their landslide is tied to their hp(?) which happen if you kill too fast (or too far apart for sludge).

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Anyone confirms this? I have never seen add landslide happening too fast. They always come around time the second bomb blows up and right after. I've been doing this for weeks with different groups and have not seen it happen at a different time.
Edit: Looking at Shinra's 3:52 Titan kill, I'm pretty sure it's time based since the adds didn't even have time to use Landslide before they die.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Because there around 1-3 seconds before your threat takes effect for the potatos come back to you. Any war worth his salt will know this problem, can be solved with a steel cyclone, because of it's non target component can pull hate right from the spawn point, which redirects threat completely to the warrior without that "rubber band hate effect".

rubber band effect = Overpower miss! get it?

This is the trick behind CT giant pulling as well. If you steel cyclone at the spawn point, they will not spend that couple of seconds wacking randomly line of sight targets. (Also useful for Turn4 to prevent rubber band phase 5)

It is not an issue if there is no caster LB scheduled for adds. but if there is, the blms usually pre casts very early, because they need the maximum time allowed to do an aoe burn rotation before the landslide-cross bomb pattern starts.

There's a reason for everything, don't mock the usefulness of a steel cyclone.

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What are you even talking about? You make yourself sound so horrible when you type these things. SC on single target = BAD. Simple. Don't do it. *Any Warrior worth their salt knows this*. Nice little jab though. There is also no reason to use SC on giant in CT. I exclusively tank Iron Giant in CT, because so many tanks are terrible at it, and I never use SC, and he never moves from his spawn except for North one which I drag out. On KB fight, Titan EX, T4, and everything it is extremely easy to have a combo'd SS or BB ready for any wave or add spawn. If you are really that bad at targeting/camera positioning to not know how to tab target an add sitting right in front of you, then you have other issues.

So again, SC in your situations especially, just makes you sound like a bad tank/warrior. There is no reason to use it. I don't think I've been in a group without caster LB for Titan EX adds either. The adds don't move from their designated locations with both methods I described. Also, Overpower has range on it, and you can hit the second add before you even get to it if you so desire. SC's only real use is to gain TP when hovering at uncomfortable levels, as Overpower is a drain. Most the time Flash will suit this need however, and again IB is a better use of Wrath by far. Do you even Warrior?

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Anyone confirms this? I have never seen add landslide happening too fast. They always come around time the second bomb blows up and right after. I've been doing this for weeks with different groups and have not seen it happen at a different time.
Edit: Looking at Shinra's 3:52 Titan kill, I'm pretty sure it's time based since the adds didn't even have time to use Landslide before they die.

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It is time based. I do adds 95% of the time, and they always happen at the same time within a second or two. Also with an LB2 going off it drains their health, and they don't landslide right away. It happens the same time as an LB1 compared to an LB2. I always run North from the East bomb, then South to the East bomb. This points the landslides straight downward at no one and works well. They always start in the smoke of the first/second bomb, and I time my run out of them as well.