I had to leave the game for abit, and have since returned. Lost. lol. I am 47 WHM. Here's my question:
Is it important that i continue leveling my sub job past 15 and onto 25? Im pretty sure the answer is yes, but again Im feeling confused lol.
Any nice reply and/or help is appreciated.
(Noob) WHM question.
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02-22-2014, 09:08 AMKlarick(Noob) WHM question.
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02-22-2014, 09:12 AMMogi
you only need to be 15 since your all ready a WHM just go for 50 now btw what sub?
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02-22-2014, 09:14 AMDeathgiver
To get the most out of your whm you'll not only want to level arcanist to 34 (to cross class eye for an eye) but also thaumaturge to 26 to get swiftcast. On the way you'll also gain virus from arcanist and surecast and blizzard II from thaumaturge which is about the entirety of usefulish cross class skills.
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02-22-2014, 09:18 AMMogiAll depends some heals my want to just heal and att if need beQuote:
Originally Posted by Deathgiver
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02-22-2014, 09:24 AMZfz
For everything up until Coils, you can (and should) just get your WHM to 50 first, so you can start collecting Crystal Tower gear. But if you have your eyes on the Binding Coils, you'll want to get Swiftcast and Eye for an Eye as mentioned previously.
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02-22-2014, 09:37 AMmyahele
Quite honestly an eye for an eye is pointless if youre gonna lv an arcanist just to get it. If you plan on becoming a summoner or scholar then go for it.
A blm swiftcast is very useful period. In the end I'd recommend lv your whm to 50 asap. Finish your main scenario. -
02-22-2014, 09:42 AMZumiThis isn't true eye for an eye is very important in endgame when stuff like Phase 4 twintania his hitting you for massive death sentences the 10% reduction from eye for an eye is a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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02-22-2014, 09:48 AMLyrinnE4E is far from pointless. Unreliable, perhaps, but 20% over 30s for at least one proc isn't bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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02-22-2014, 09:59 AMElim
Having swiftcast could prevent a party from wiping. Not having it could cause the opposite, even if the dead party member(s) in question probably got himself (or themselves) killed in the first place.
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02-22-2014, 04:44 PMKaelah
Agree with the above, get yourself swiftcast from THM at least. Deffo useful for things like Titan HM, and Coil in moments you have a spare few seconds to raise someone without it being a waste of MP. Swiftcast is nice to throw out instant stoneskin or heals sometimes too.
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02-22-2014, 05:01 PMCrimson-Falcon
im lv50 WHm did all 3 EX primals as WHM & dont have swiftcast
tbh swiftcast is not needed beside bad ppl who cant avoid die
other than that u dont need swiftcast entirely
eye for an eye is a good skill tho that can do miracles at T4 p6 & T5 -
02-22-2014, 06:04 PMThoraukuYou never experienced having a partymate who dies due to X reason? You must be one hell of a lucky person then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon
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02-22-2014, 06:08 PMCrimson-Falconmore like good healerQuote:
Originally Posted by Thorauku
when i went healer way i met more bad healers than bad tanks
i didnt even need to SS MT be4 double wicked wheels in garuda EX
even Ifrit EX is it really that hard to spam Cure II on MT?
i was like O_O when i did that all it felt easier than i thought yet i find ppl suck at that -
02-22-2014, 06:40 PMYarikh
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Right. As other people mentioned, Swiftcast is useful in a pinch where applicable. Damage reduction from eye for an eye and virus is good to get too but I usually leave that to the acn to use if the party has one and are actually using them. -
02-22-2014, 07:07 PMLunarEmerald
You are severely gimping yourself and the rest of the party without swiftcast.
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02-22-2014, 07:16 PMHitomeGet THM to 26Quote:
Originally Posted by Klarick
Get ACN to 34
Then have fun with WHM! Despite what you hear above, you'll find swiftcast helps you quite a bit for getting off quick medicas, raises, etc. :) -
02-22-2014, 07:35 PMCrankysorcNot getting swiftcast is just being lazy. If your party members are good enough that they won't die and you decide[for whatever reason] you never want to use it for a heal/res/buffing, it's still useful for holy spam on t4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon
Also, you shouldn't be spamming cure II. Waste of mana unless it procs or the tank is very close to dying. If the tank isn't close to dying, you're overhealing. Not needing to stoneskin before a tank gets hit with something doesn't make you a good healer, since if their gear and usage of CDs isn't good enough, they'll be one shot anyways and you can't heal a one shot.
Good players make use of their cross class skills. -
02-23-2014, 12:07 AMThoraukuBeing a good healer doesn't have anything to do with sucky partymates. So nope, point invalid. I'm not saying you're bad and all, but not having a Swiftcast to save someone else's ass if they make "oh shit" mistake is just a no-no in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon
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02-23-2014, 12:22 AMKlarick
Thanks everyone for the great replies. I feel like im back on track now!
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02-23-2014, 12:32 AMInquisitor
Being a good healer means you do your best to keep everyone alive even if they're only dying because they screwed up themselves. Unless they keep doing stupid things and refuse to stop, then it's the duty of the healer to let them die as a lesson.
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02-23-2014, 01:06 AMLyrroI'm just going to say she's a bad healer, simply for the fact that she seems to think that her party's survival depends solely on her, and any healer (myself being a healer) who thinks that is a little too self absorbed. You can be the best healer in the world and that's not going to keep your party alive if your teammates are getting 1hko-ed by double ww because your tank doesn't have the gear to survive it or if your party gets dive bombed to death by Twintania or got hit by Twintania's fireball because they didn't notice the marker over their head or couldn't see it because it can be hard to see if facing conflag when it pops up. I can guarantee with 100% certainty that you've been in parties before where someone has died on accident, and giving the impression that you've never had that problem because you're such an awesome healer only tells people that you're full of crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorauku
A healer without swiftcast is like a runner with a rolled ankle. You can still run on that ankle, but you're not going to run as fast. If a party member dies during titan hm or tian ex and you don't have swiftcast, you're not going to get them up without limit break or if you do manage to pull it off you got extremely lucky. In the end, the arguement comes down to "do I want to spend the better part of 8 seconds trying to raise someone and hope my party can hold out, or do I want to be able to instantly raise someone so my party doesn't have to try and hold out." 8 seconds is a very long time when you're fighting the ex primals or coil. -
02-23-2014, 01:45 AMEvangeladecent healers can do their job properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon
good healers can cover other people's mistakes.
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02-23-2014, 02:21 AMThoraukuIt's just a sugar-coated words. IYKWIM. http://i.imgur.com/8jjhLuK.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyrro
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02-23-2014, 02:40 AMmyahele
I recommend leveling thaumaturge 1st since it has the most useful abilities for a whm compared to acn.
Ice2 is a nice aoe attack that binds, its similar to holy, but it attack potency is low yet the bind effect lasts longer. Then there's surecast which allows you to not be interrupted while casting. Then there swift cast.