2.16 Changed/Broke DRG Jump?

So I've been maining DRG since beta and I've always used Jump (lvl 30 DRG skill) whenever I need a range attack to avoid an AoE damage. But as of last night, I noticed I'm getting hit by whatever I'm jumping into.

While fighting Titan, during say a bomb drop, I'd run to safe zone, jump at Titan and take damage from a bomb exploding at Titan's location. Note, I'm using Jump, not Spineshatter or Skyfire which I know DO place you at the land location. But Jump has always based damaged received to you on the location you jumped FROM and that no longer seems to be the case.

I checked the patch notes and don't see anything mentioned about this. Don't know if it's a bug or intentional and just not listed. But either way, it's highly annoying and is basically a nerf to DRG dps considering how many fights require you to spend time away from your target.

Jump has always worked in this manner. They did ninja patch it so you only register as being at the 2 end points instead of the whole jump path recently though.

Knowing the way ur using this I'm surprised u don't get hit by every bomb on the way :P

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Originally Posted by Lollie

Jump has always worked in this manner. They did ninja patch it so you only register as being at the 2 end points instead of the whole jump path recently though.

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

Knowing the way ur using this I'm surprised u don't get hit by every bomb on the way :P

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What are you guys talking about? The OP is absolutely right. Jump always used to base damage received on the starting position of your jump, and ONLY on the starting position. So you could easily jump into the midst of a void zone going of during the jump without taking any harm. It's actually a bad idea to now use both the start and the end position, as this is highly inconsistent, you can't possibly be in 2 places at the same time, so they should either use the start position or the end position and not both of them at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

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I've been hit many times trying to do this. Landslides, Plumes, Repelling Cannons...not worth it at all. And yes, my start/end position was always outside the AoE

Besides, its MUCH better to use Jump as part of your normal rotation rather than save it for an AoE. Use Piercing Talon if you have to be away for more than a GDC and must do damage, but with very few exceptions (like the Disposal Node doing Repelling Cannons and the fire-star AoE in succession) I'm not away from the enemy long enough for this to matter

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Besides, its MUCH better to use Jump as part of your normal rotation rather than save it for an AoE.

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That's what I do anyways, but it came in handy when running out of repelling cannons and using Jump to still do DPS while waiting for the void zone to disappear. Never had any issues with being hit that way.

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

What are you guys talking about? The OP is absolutely right. Jump always used to base damage received on the starting position of your jump, and ONLY on the starting position. So you could easily jump into the midst of a void zone going of during the jump without taking any harm. It's actually a bad idea to now use both the start and the end position, as this is highly inconsistent, you can't possibly be in 2 places at the same time, so they should either use the start position or the end position and not both of them at the same time.

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False. Jump is NOT a ranged attack and never has been. If you tempt fate by jumping when there are AoE going off, you will probably be ok, due to registering your position only for a split second at the end of the cast time. If you are jumping in and out while an aoe is happening, it's not that likely you would time it perfectly to get hit. It happens though.

I'm not 100% sure but I seem to recall for example when doing Chimera and doing Jump while he was standing in a Rams Keeper AoE, I hit him but almost immediately got Slow effect and also took some damage in the process, I think they should really patch it to be honest because it defeats the object of being a ranged attack which returns you to your original location if you're just going to take damage and any other status effects anyway :l

its always been this way for me so i can only assume the effect you were getting previously was due to lag. maybe for 2.16 they did some server optimization.

I find it difficult to believe that my timing was so perfect that I was always able to avoid damage by using Jump as a ranged attack prior to 2.16. I'm just not that good.

Just use it as a CD. And try time it with power surge and BfB. Do urself the favor of using it like this.

I've been playing DRG since beta too and I get hit if I jump into an aoe (so many poorly timed jumps). And recently on the 2nd boss in Haukke Manor HM (Ash aka DDR), the tank had the boss in one of the spinning circles and wasn't moving it lol, so I tried Jumping and I still got the heavy affect after I landed back to my safe starting position. So not sure what's going on that we're all experiencing different results with Jump.

It should just count as a ranged attack but with an animation of you landing and hitting the enemy.

Short version is better server side positional tracking, and less server side latency allowace probably killed you.

The implication is you might not have a proper grasp of how much purposeful latency is in the game. Pre 2.16 Jump was plenty fast enough to appear to have executed while a indicator ring is still up even though the server has already calculated who all was in the radius and distributed dmg. If they optimized the position tracking this would narrow the lag factor and executing in the same manner would get you hit. Pre 2.16 most people when running normally were experiencing a 1 second uptake lag withoptimum performance, the servers were set to allow for a 2 second buffer. Jump has a .5 second count where it reads you as at the target (note it does not read you as there for the entire move-lock just for that portion. The dmg calculator takes a snapshot of who the server has registered still inside the circle at the exact time of execution on the server with a .5 second delay, it will make this calculation probably in a matter of .3-.4 ms since it does this locally and send the information back to your client which you will receive .5 seconds later, timed out to look like you receive the dmg to your hp bar at time of on screen execution. If you timed it correctly as in executed jump exactly 1+/-.1 second at optimum s/r before the bomb went off this would put you in the blast anything else and you are outside it.

What this means is you were either:
A. lagging beyond the 1.5 second buffer and the ring was always gone before the server ever picked up the action execution command (which is most likely) or
B. operating at the optimum speed hitting jump, and getting in and out in 1 second, before the buffer allowance of 1.5 seconds.

If they reduced the lag buffer down to 1 second (which it appears they have after some quick testing) this means you use .5 of the buffer for the action execution sent to the server, .5 for the jump move-lock eating up your entire grace time, resulting in you leaving meat chunks all over titan's playpen (in your given example). Its not that your timing has gotten better or worse, its that jump naturally would have the perfect timing to kill you with a 1 second buffer.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

It should just count as a ranged attack but with an animation of you landing and hitting the enemy.

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^^^ That would be perfect. >__<