Why botting is stupid(IMO)

First and foremost, im fairly certains its a violation of the TOS(correct me if i am wrong).

So, what the appeal of paying for your game, paying your monthly scrip. fee(i know its F2P now, but not forever), and then paying for a bot service.

Doesnt that take the fun out of the game? You really cant invest your own time into the product you paid for? Using real money to get "fake" money is one thing(i also find this offensive, but i can understand the want for sweet gear), but paying to have your character leveled is just plain dumb.

I doubt we will get any responses from people who actually bot, but ive heard people talk about it in game, and im just like WTF mate, you suck, GTFO.

Its about people getting ahead. Bots usually do things that people don't want to do themselves... so its doing the work while you get the reward.

Most people in this world care more about the end result than appreciating that for the journey it took to get you there.

Because some people only want to play at the high level and hate the thought of leveling up. Not everyone is looking for the exact same experience out of a game.

So people buy this game...a Final Fantasy game, not wanting to experience the adventure? Go play Call of Duty or Angry Birds then. The point of a MMO is to go in there, meet some peeps, kick some arse, and call it a day. Not come home to see how many levels you went up while you were at school or work.

Sigh, i had a discussion like this on the STEAM forums regarding using scripts in FPS games. Unfortunately theres no changing the minds of those people who are hell bent on getting reward, without the sacrifice, so i wont continue to debate the fact that i think botting is ridiculous, and i hope SE does something about it.

If you dont have the time to be bothered by actually playing a game, why bother buying it.

Also i have to admit my opinion is rather biased, as i didnt buy the game during release, because lets be real here...no game nowadays is worth its price at release. But $29.99 and F2P...damn right im gonna play it AND ENJOY IT.

Seriously botters. Hop in game. Check out the stuff. Walk around aimlessly. Craft Hempen Yarn a gazillion times. Its all the rage. Im also pretty sure you cant bot your real life, so you may want to practice patience and determination in a digital medium, or else the world may just chew you up and spit ya out :(

It amazing the way everyone feels they are entitled to things. Like everyone in the world is owed something by someone else.

Bots give the player an instant advantage.

Sure you could spend 6hrs a day for 2 weeks to make that 20million to buy that +3 endgame piece you want. Or you can go to work have a bot go for you and come home and play the game how you want to instead of farming.

Is it right.. NO, but it is why people do it. The bad thing is it seems the bot devs are always 1 step ahead of SE on detection, so there is not a way to really stop them since they need "Proof" they are botting.

It's sad but unavoidable. Just like RMT... :/

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

Its about people getting ahead. Bots usually do things that people don't want to do themselves... so its doing the work while you get the reward.

Most people in this world care more about the end result than appreciating that for the journey it took to get you there.

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The only agrument against what you said is with DOH. I stopped grinding my Goldsmith a month ago @ 40 because the Local Leves suck and after 40 its bascially 8 hours of non stop grinding (vendor trash mostly) to get anywhere.

Sad thing is to watch all the people who botted to 50 selling stuff for millions every day.

If SE made high level crafting at least interesting then id be happy to pick up the hammer again, at this time though its a total chore and i'd rather just keep fighting or start up a DOL.

It's fairly bad these days. I don't know about people on other servers but there are people just crafting in particular linkshells on my server that craft for hours on end without stopping and if you try to speak to them in /say, /tell, or even emote at them they do not respond. What is sad is that some of these people I knew while getting into the game. They speak the same language as me. We've held conversations before. And now they ignore everyone while they 'craft.' It's very sad and it bothers me that some people have no gaming morals and that SE doesn't even have a way to report the possibility of someone botting yet. I know no one is paying for the game now but it's really discouraging to players to see this occurring and so early in it's life. And after all the updates that makes crafting so much easier now, it's hard to believe people bot. It just ruins the experience for other people who don't choose such a path. I really wish that gear was signed by those who make it so I can avoid buying from the people I don't feel I can trust.

Crafting and gathering may be easy, but they are still annoying and a huge time sink. This is why people bot in FFXIV and FFXI.

For shooters...people bot because they have self esteem issues.

Also...grats on the necro -.-

Don't insult Angry Birds. Taking out your anti-bot rage on poor Angry Birds is monstrous.

People these days care less about the adventure and more about being at max level with their haubergeon of infinite evil so that they can show off.

Edit: i'm one of those people

Everyone who is only interested in bot fishing.. leave now.

There is no "adventure" in doing the same 400+ synths over and over again to get 1 level. Not really sure how that is a memorable experience you'd tell your grand kids.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Everyone who is only interested in bot fishing.. leave now.

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you can't make me

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Everyone who is only interested in bot fishing.. leave now.

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Read that in Hitler's voice, and I don't know German

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Originally Posted by Sheepdawg

First and foremost, im fairly certains its a violation of the TOS(correct me if i am wrong).

So, what the appeal of paying for your game, paying your monthly scrip. fee(i know its F2P now, but not forever), and then paying for a bot service.

Doesnt that take the fun out of the game? You really cant invest your own time into the product you paid for? Using real money to get "fake" money is one thing(i also find this offensive, but i can understand the want for sweet gear), but paying to have your character leveled is just plain dumb.

I doubt we will get any responses from people who actually bot, but ive heard people talk about it in game, and im just like WTF mate, you suck, GTFO.

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Botting probably wouldnt be a problem if there was any reason to slow down, right now the only extra content to do besides leves and behests is at level 50. Plus the grind slows down a bit at 30. So you get botters.

If there were more quests, or less grinding based progression botting wouldnt be as much of an issue because you know..people would actually be having fun playing the game.


TL;DR There's no adventure in the journey right now, just the destination.

The way i see it (and im sure botters would not agree), why pay for a game, only NOT to play it?

ok, so you skip the bits in the middle that drags at times, so what. When you go to work, do you sit in traffic for ages, letting out a little sigh at "those traffic lights", or do you click your fingers, taking you instantly from work?

Traffic lights, every time. Why, because thats part and parcel of the whole package.

Ok, FFXIV isnt work, but to pay out £ or $ (which you worked for) it seems silly not to get every last bit of that out of the gaming experience

god botter's >< I dont see the point in it really the fun in a game like this is getting some freinds or even meet new friend's while you level up and level up together you can't do that have the fun and enjoyment that brings if a bot is doing all the work and u have pissed of somewhere.

Do we really need to explain to people why botting is bad? lol....

bot are crazy, rmt is there but the amount of loot is enough buying stuff & making money easy, the games still balenced.
BUT!!! the problem will arrive when items/armor/weapons start to be different and one item has nicer than anything stats, depending on how after you can get it/them then crap might hit the fan.

I for one feel that if DDR styled controls were introduced to crafting, botters would literally be cut 25%.

Most people actually crafting these days are watching a movie doing so, eventually you'll run out of movies. I want to dance while crafting.

SE, hear my plea!

People who use bots are cheaters. There is no justification for it. I've seen a couple of people who go on these long bullshit tangents trying to justify it but it's ridiculous. It doesn't matter if you're "hindering others or not", you're cheating if you do it, so get out. Besides, there's virtually no way you can not hinder people in some way shape or form from botting, regardless of whether it's battling or crafting or farming. Crafting bots allow crafters to get ahead of others at an unfair advantage. They can make more money faster and supply items faster. All because they cheated, because they're too damn lazy to do it themselves.

I love all of the closed minded people on this forum...

Why do you think people didn't use to craft bot on FFXI compared to FFXIV?
The difference is: on FFXIV it's about having the time more than anything else (hell you can even level a craft off leves) whereas FFXI you needed money mainly so it was an actual achievement to have a craft at max level.
Just look at FFXIVpro and you'll see how many have multiple level 50 crafts. It's just about having it max level on FFXIV rather than doing something with it. So many crafters, yet there's not a lot of gear/items for sale, at least on my server.
Make stuff harder to get (so it's more expensive) and maybe crafting more simple (simple enough so people don't feel the need to bot) and you'll get rid of botters.

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Originally Posted by CrystalW

Why do you think people didn't use to craft bot on FFXI compared to FFXIV?
The difference is: on FFXIV it's about having the time more than anything else (hell you can even level a craft off leves) whereas FFXI you needed money mainly so it was an actual achievement to have a craft at max level.
Just look at FFXIVpro and you'll see how many have multiple level 50 crafts. It's just about having it max level on FFXIV rather than doing something with it. So many crafters, yet there's not a lot of gear/items for sale, at least on my server.
Make stuff harder to get (so it's more expensive) and maybe crafting more simple (simple enough so people don't feel the need to bot) and you'll get rid of botters.

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The thing is, they've already made it so much easier. It's not that crafting was hard either. People are just trying to get ahead of everyone else in anyway they can. Even at the loss of their honor, respect, and pride.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

The thing is, they've already made it so much easier. It's not that crafting was hard either. People are just trying to get ahead of everyone else in anyway they can. Even at the loss of their honor, respect, and pride.

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I did not say easier, I said more simple. meaning for example less actions, less pressing buttons, less long, anything.

I actually would like if it was harder, if materials were more expansive, less supply. Means less crafters and less multiple 50 crafts. And no SP on locals, just guild marks (lots of people level of leves and call themselves crafters)

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Originally Posted by CrystalW

I actually would like if it was harder, if materials were more expansive, less supply. Means less crafters and less multiple 50 crafts. And no SP on locals, just guild marks (lots of people level of leves and call themselves crafters)

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I'm agree with this, i only do locals for Marks, not for sp.

I have a list of bots in Wutai server, and also i reported they multiple times, but SE, dont care atm, and i hope they will take actions in the future.

I think many will agree that there hasn't been much done concerning those players who have been using third-party tools. You could blame the condition of the game for this I suppose, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a great deal of players suddenly disappear at some point, perhpas when the game itself improves.

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Originally Posted by CrystalW

I did not say easier, I said more simple. meaning for example less actions, less pressing buttons, less long, anything.

I actually would like if it was harder, if materials were more expansive, less supply. Means less crafters and less multiple 50 crafts. And no SP on locals, just guild marks (lots of people level of leves and call themselves crafters)

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It takes way longer to rank up doing leves then buying or gathering materials and then crafting them out. You get what you work at. Leves are good for casual players. Grinding out ranks are good for people that have lots of time. I'm more concerned about people botting and calling themselves crafters rather than saying some elitist slander about doing leves.

There are 3 kinds of people in MMOs. 1) Those who bot. 2) Those who do not care. 3) Those who complain about bots because they don't understand how to make their bots work.

it meanless to talk about botter... even SE still kick bot report out from helpdesk.
botter still say same thing is train skill is su*k so bore that why i use bot... but if everyone is botter all item in market is nothing and priceless.the one thing that still have price is rare item that drop from NM.. i feel no meaning to trainskill anymore with it so i just train for fix my equip that enough lol. why SE not make syn system that bot can't do like mini game just kick out standdard rapid HQ out and use some method that must use human do only -3-

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Originally Posted by Dubont

There are 3 kinds of people in MMOs. 1) Those who bot. 2) Those who do not care. 3) Those who complain about bots because they don't understand how to make their bots work.

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And there are those who resort to stupid comments like these because they don't like being called cheaters.

Go ahead and try to justify how botting can be in any means acceptable. I've heard it all though so my suggestion is you don't even bother wasting your energy coming up with something.

If you cheat in hockey you get a penalty, cheat in basketball you get a penalty, cheat in paintball you get a penalty, cheat on an exam you get kicked out of school. Cheat in Pokemon you're banned from Wifi. You can cheat all you want on a single player game because it's only your game, you're not playing with anyone else.

This is not a single player game. You do not own anything. You do not own the rights to your character. You are not entitled to anything. You oblige Square-Enix's terms and conditions. By cheating, you hinder other players, regardless of what sort of meaningless conclusion or justification you can attempt to make otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

And there are those who resort to stupid comments like these because they don't like being called cheaters.

Go ahead and try to justify how botting can be in any means acceptable. I've heard it all though so my suggestion is you don't even bother wasting your energy coming up with something.

If you cheat in hockey you get a penalty, cheat in basketball you get a penalty, cheat in paintball you get a penalty, cheat on an exam you get kicked out of school. Cheat in Pokemon you're banned from Wifi. You can cheat all you want on a single player game because it's only your game, you're not playing with anyone else.

This is not a single player game. You do not own anything. You do not own the rights to your character. You are not entitled to anything. You oblige Square-Enix's terms and conditions. By cheating, you hinder other players, regardless of what sort of meaningless conclusion or justification you can attempt to make otherwise.

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I take it that you're one of those that complains because you can't make your bot work lol. I'm one of those that does not care either way. As long as the person's bots are not having an effect on me directly, I don't have a problem with it. Gather and craft bots: I've never had a problem with. Teleport and such: Never had a problem with. Claiming bots: This poses a slight problem, but it's very easy to work around it. My suggestion to you is to stop complaining about that which you have no control over and go and enjoy your game. If botters cause you NOT enjoy your game, go play a single player game.

tl;dr: Deal or quit.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

There are 3 kinds of people in MMOs. 1) Those who bot. 2) Those who do not care. 3) Those who complain about bots because they don't understand how to make their bots work.

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Thanks but I don't and won't bot. That's a very rude statement.

Edit: Also, botting doesn't just effect the person who does it. It effects everyone in some way or another. And honestly I do wish there were a way to know who makes what because I feel bad buying from a botter than from an honest crafter. I would think that if you were really indifferent on the matter, why would you be posting here? It feels much more like you're defending it, but I wonder why?

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Thanks but I don't and won't bot. That's a very rude statement.

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Then accept that every game has bots, FFXIV is no different and just learn not to care =)

Can you tell me why I would need to accept something like this? The only good that comes from bots is being able to spot one. That way you have an easier time finding people you can trust.

The only real argument here is the time advantage. I'm fairly sure you can't bot HQ items, and really that's the only thing worth it on the market, especially as time goes on and more and more items are introduced into the economy. I'm more concerned with the fact there is no limitation to how many items can be introduced into the market than I am about bots.

Just like FF11, in the end it will boil down to rare craft item drops/+3's and the rest of the items you currently see on the market will be complete junk. It's 5 months into the game and it's already happening.