Scholar Solo Healing Titan Extreme? Video here!

Just done the video yesterday. If you guys have watched the another scholar's solo heal video, that is by Wizzed Atria, we're from the same team. :P

Titan Extreme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGBimfQL6U

And here's Garuda Extreme Solo without bard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNQq8Zc-WGw

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Thanks for watching! Up for discussion.

2 months after a White Mage did it ...

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Originally Posted by Squa

2 months after a White Mage did it ...

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White Mages were doing Titan Extreme before it was even released? Colour me impressed.

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Originally Posted by Squa

2 months after a White Mage did it ...

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Are you the guy with superiority complex trying to turn every thread you enter into "whm vs. sch" purring while your e-peen gets bigger and bigger?

Well done, congratz, that proves that sch can solo primals too, i will shut up some people with this, whm hate up in the comments xD

Cool, good job!

impressive

Well done!

Yeah it was always doable, just that the high AoE healing requirement makes it easier for a WHM since they can just spam whenever they want and Eos has cooldowns.

I'd like to see Ifrit Ex done (WHMs have already solo healed it) but that last nail phase might be too much for them.

Hi guys,

Thanks for the encouragement. Yeah there's really no need to compare WHM and SCH. There's no need to compare that. If you really wanna compare, then talk about garuda, which scholars can solo heal without a bard, unlike WHM.

and Ifrit Extreme really highly depend on a lot factors - the entire party. I have only solo heal-ed last phase before. The tank was good so it was easy to heal him even though the stacks are maxed.

I also noticed a bug after the latest patch. The fire seems to go through the galvanize shield all the time. Am I the only one experiencing this?

(BTW I'm both WHM and SCH) :D

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Originally Posted by FoxyMama

If you really wanna compare, then talk about garuda, which scholars can solo heal without a bard, unlike WHM.

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If you need ballad when solo healing this as whm you are either missing a trick (I assume you are aware that the unavoidable friction only targets healers? It's surprising how many people miss that detail) or holy spamming a bit too much. I do one holy during each set of plumes and it works out absolutely fine. Park yourself clear of the group to nullify friction damage and as long as the dps are killing the first add before it's wicked wheel it's a breeze. No ballad required =s

Back on track, nicely done on the video, I'm with Alkimi on wanting to see Ifrit done, you guys clearly have people maximising support cool downs like mantra etc. The sticking point is the exact range of searing wind vs succor, I know it's pretty close between them but if succor is even a yard or two bigger then I suspect you can pull it off. Fey Covenent is surprisingly effective and of course rouse/wd equates to 21s of good times. That just leaves another 70 seconds or so of moderate AE to deal with whilst keeping the tanks up.

You did a good job there (blame your dds ;) )

boooo to the monk lol
well done to the scholar

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Yeah it was always doable, just that the high AoE healing requirement makes it easier for a WHM since they can just spam whenever they want and Eos has cooldowns.

I'd like to see Ifrit Ex done (WHMs have already solo healed it) but that last nail phase might be too much for them.

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Titan is totally possible since there's enough downtime between the script to spam aoe(though your dps would need to be good for a brd to keep that mp up). But everyone must dodge everything, unlike a whm which can just eat a bomb and still make quota. Sch would still totally derp on adds though.

That almighty cure3 is just that strong.

Bascially a sch soloing healing titan ex is more the PT then the sch. There's nothing a sch can really do in that fight to make it happen any better then normal.

Ifrit though... I don't think it's possible to solo heal ifrit ex as a sch. Your fairy is constantly dying, and there's no way you can heal up the phase change...unless you're super super tight with the debuff, and even then. MP requirements would never let you heal enough to make board.

Whm can use cure3 which is the best of the best for solo heal phase changes. Sch just doesn't have that.

Nice healing.
Quite jealous here of how smooth its running for you.
PS4 version needs to hurry up.

very nice kill

4670HP

What's your gear?

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Ifrit though... I don't think it's possible to solo heal ifrit ex as a sch. Your fairy is constantly dying, and there's no way you can heal up the phase change...unless you're super super tight with the debuff, and even then. MP requirements would never let you heal enough to make board.

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I don't understand this. Why is your fairy dieing all the time? If you are moving her like you should to avoid eruptions and dashes and then moving her into place for WD and healing tanks then she shouldn't be dying. If she is you are being a lazy SCH.

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Originally Posted by Maku

I don't understand this. Why is your fairy dieing all the time? If you are moving her like you should to avoid eruptions and dashes and then moving her into place for WD and healing tanks then she shouldn't be dying. If she is you are being a lazy SCH.

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Because it's highly dependent on the party where to place your fairy, especially tanks. a duh. Your fairy is probably living because pug groups make the team work harder and not even swap, and getting cure 3/medica2 in the process.

It's a healer fight, yes, but about 70% of the eventual problems, is a tank that swing those swaps, baiting eruptions, and variable nail killing.

The fairy will die simply because the party will not care where your fairy is. Like you're doing right now. Talk the tough talk, but when it comes down to it, it's just happens.

Single healing as a whm or 2x whm is much much much much more easier, and simple in comparison. Lob those cure 3s, make sure you stack around long enough for the ballad, and make sure you don't get any unnecessary movements for those massive stacks (because the DPS will be going wild on ifrit pushing him into breaths)

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My fairy is living because pugs make team work harder? That doesn't make sense. My fairy doesn't die because I move her where she needs to be, when she needs to be there. Yes tanks can swap Ifrit around at a bad time but if you move the fairy around so that it wont matter then it wont matter. Japanese groups always do the Y formation for tanks so you always know how Ifrit is going to be facing.

The fairy takes hardly any damage from the nails so that doesn't matter plus you either have WD up or Media 2 up to regen the part from the AoE damage from them to help the fairy not die. Plus you have Sustain which is amazing though many SCHs do not seem to use it enough. You can set your fairy right behind Ifrit with the rest of the DPS if you want to. Sustain when you see the Eruptions coming and she can eat a full 4 of them without dieing and she won't eat more than 4 with the DPS running away.

I totally agree that the fight is easier with two WHMs. If the party I join in PF already has a WHM I will go as WHM to have two because it simpl is easier. But still your fairy shouldn't be dieing if you are taking care of it like you should.

Again though "Your fairy is probably living because pug groups make the team work harder and not even swap and getting Cure3/medica2 in the process." I am not a native English speaker and it might be that, but this sentence sounds like you are saying because the fight is harder my fairy isn't dieing. How is that a logical argument. Also, what is wrong with getting cure3/medica2 in the process? You arguments make no sense and your fairy shouldn't be dieing if you know what you are doing.

The only thing that you said that makes since is that 2WHMs makes this fight easier.

Why was this a thing? I mean, who didn't think this could happen? The whm / sch are very balanced within each other, if one could do it so to could the other. I don't get the point of this. If this is supposed to prove to people that SCH is as good as WHM and they didn't think that already, they're never going to. Vice versa btw.

edit. wrong thread... gg Dae.

Good job, but your dps was absolutely horrendous..

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Originally Posted by Gurpsmeister

Why was this a thing? I mean, who didn't think this could happen? The whm / sch are very balanced within each other, if one could do it so to could the other. I don't get the point of this. If this is supposed to prove to people that SCH is as good as WHM and they didn't think that already, they're never going to. Vice versa btw.

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I don't think the issue is whether or not both can do these things solo, I think the issue for most people is how SCH offers so much utility to the party on top of being able to heal, while WHM offer really nothing but healing. Nothing in this game requires the massive healing output of a WHM, so the job itself is kinda wasted in current FFXIV mechanics. SCHs shine no matter what the fight is and what the party composition is, because they not only bring more to the table (better mitigation, better buffing/debuffing, stronger ST healing), but they also don't' suffer from the same level of MP management as WHM have to deal with, nor the greater risk of generating enmity. This makes SCH much more of an independent healer while WHM doesn't have the spare MP to cover for DPS mistakes or forces a party to find a Bard. So in the end it's not about what content the jobs can do...it just comes down to it that SCH is the all around "better" healing job simply because of utility. I understand that SE wants WHM to just be heal machines, but the problem is that there is no content that absolutely requires a heal machine. If WHM is to remain what it is in future focus, it needs to have major MP cost cuts across the board and have Spell Speed factor into how fast their HoTs tick in order to buff them to the same level as SCH is currently. Otherwise, the job will continue to be a waste until SE designs a fight where there's so much unavoidable AoE damage that a SCH just can't compete, thus giving purpose to WHMs' existence as a massive AoE healer.

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Originally Posted by Velox

I don't think the issue is whether or not both can do these things solo, I think the issue for most people is how SCH offers so much utility to the party on top of being able to heal, while WHM offer really nothing but healing. Nothing in this game requires the massive healing output of a WHM, so the job itself is kinda wasted in current FFXIV mechanics. SCHs shine no matter what the fight is and what the party composition is, because they not only bring more to the table (better mitigation, better buffing/debuffing, stronger ST healing), but they also don't' suffer from the same level of MP management as WHM have to deal with, nor the greater risk of generating enmity. This makes SCH much more of an independent healer while WHM doesn't have the spare MP to cover for DPS mistakes or forces a party to find a Bard. So in the end it's not about what content the jobs can do...it just comes down to it that SCH is the all around "better" healing job simply because of utility. I understand that SE wants WHM to just be heal machines, but the problem is that there is no content that absolutely requires a heal machine. If WHM is to remain what it is in future focus, it needs to have major MP cost cuts across the board and have Spell Speed factor into how fast their HoTs tick in order to buff them to the same level as SCH is currently. Otherwise, the job will continue to be a waste until SE designs a fight where there's so much unavoidable AoE damage that a SCH just can't compete, thus giving purpose to WHMs' existence as a massive AoE healer.

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Um no, if anything whm is the better job at covering dps mistakes. If you watch the video some of the dps literally drop to <500 hp, a little bad rng and someone is going to die. That would have never happened with cure III or medicas. The DPS stay at a much lower hp value for a huge part of the fight. Also if you watch close the scholar has, you guessed it! Mages Ballad on just like a whm would and still drops to <500 mp. Even if only whm had to take advantage of a brd, the scholar in this video has to take advantage of monk's mantra to counter its low AoE healing output. Watch the video before trying to make a whm QQ post. Whm is better at AoE sch is better at Single Target, however so far in any situation where solo healing has been done, both jobs have been capable(though there's only one ifrit ex solo heal that I've seen so far, using whm and of course all ranged). It's usually more about the dps than the healer in solo healing situations. Even though sch and whm play differently you get the same result during every single one of these solo healing videos.

Just a screenshot, but I'm still happy for that. Hopefully there are no doubts left that SCH has issues doing this.

http://s16.postimg.org/m8cteajbp/ffx...014_195622.png

I'd like to say thanks to Wizzed this way, I've watched his video and it inspired me. :)

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Originally Posted by Velox

Otherwise, the job will continue to be a waste until SE designs a fight where there's so much unavoidable AoE damage that a SCH just can't compete, thus giving purpose to WHMs' existence as a massive AoE healer.

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So Ifrit Extreme then? I really can't see SCH solo healing that, Succor doesn't have the range to apply it on your party without searing them to death and Eos's regen on a 1 minute timer isn't going to cut it during final nail phase. The only way I could see it being done is to use healer LB at some point and just DPS the big nail down normally.

Not that there's any reason to solo heal that fight anyway, since the extra DPS achieves nothing.

For all the "solo heal" encounters it's mostly DD that should not get hit. It's perfectly doable. Like Garuda for example. DD never gets hit in theory. Titan EX: stomps and maybe upheavel would be a bit of a pain for SCH. Other than that, there should be no dmg on DD..

So basically high exp groups can have some fun and do the 1 healer, 1 extra dps trick.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

For all the "solo heal" encounters it's mostly DD that should not get hit. It's perfectly doable. Like Garuda for example. DD never gets hit in theory. Titan EX: stomps and maybe upheavel would be a bit of a pain for SCH. Other than that, there should be no dmg on DD..

So basically high exp groups can have some fun and do the 1 healer, 1 extra dps trick.

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There's not much point even in titan for 1 healer except bragging rights, unlike garuda-ex. Because you really don't save that much time with that 1 extra dps. Making titan jump at the wrong time is extremely unforgiving, and each phase is done such that most of the fight is gone by the time you want another dps (after adds).

The only reason to have an extra dps in titan is to push the phases for 1 tank stack (which really doesn't make titan any easier, and limiting, as you must have a pld) and to skip superbombs (which is pointless since super bombs is easy, if no one is dying anyway which no one should in 1healer situations).

And ifrit ex, forget about it, pointless to have an extra dps there because he'll just wipe the PT.

For titan/ifrit, you must have all dps with mantra, to rotate. It's a must, which makes it even more limiting situations. So really it's less the healer being good and more the rest of the team being good. Even whm single healer (a lot easier then sch single heal) requires 2-3 mantras on rotation.

Titan stomps do not make it hard on the sch. You have enough time to top it off. It's the phase changes. Basically having a dps go wild will wipe the PT.

Jump at stomps = wipe
Jump at jail = wipe (unlike titan HM, gaols do not break at jump)
Jump at weight = sometimes wipe

There's just no good reason to bring in another dps for titan because most of the fight you have to hold back simply because it's too dangerous to break the script.

Nobody says healer gets ALL The credit in solo healing. EVERYONE plays a huge part in making it successful, not just healer. Sure healers need to be on their toes on healing because nobody is there to cover their healing, but I repeat, EVERYONE plays a huge part in making this run a success. Even for tanks, they have to be at the correct position, pop CDs at the right time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Xztw_R2Po

Here's my video though. :)


Also, both of the videos proves that MND isn't need for solo healing!

World's fastest titan EX kill so far, SCH solo healing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTfkdRx_M4

Did you scholars have to memorize the patterns? Or was everything reactionary based?

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Originally Posted by Lucipurr

Did you scholars have to memorize the patterns? Or was everything reactionary based?

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It all came naturally honestly. I did not memorize anything on purpose and I pretty much now what is comming and when. I still anticipate for example plumes and there is landslide comming or such (but it's very rare), this is where reacions come into play. If you are not standing out of place completely (say you are in the middle), you can get into correct position in time safely without much trouble.

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Originally Posted by Terius

World's fastest titan EX kill so far, SCH solo healing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTfkdRx_M4

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Yes, I saw that video, really good job Chaen Dian and whole group of course. :)

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Originally Posted by Lucipurr

Did you scholars have to memorize the patterns? Or was everything reactionary based?

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Titan is all about memorization. You can plan when to use certain skills when you know what's coming. SCH has a 21 second AoE heal on a 1 min CD, so you should probably use it at specific points in the fight. :p