Just remove abandon & possibility to abuse kick button, and please put 2 hours lock

For the people that just leave because they simply can't play with the spirit of well, just playin.

Sick to death of these 90 mins of waitin for 15 mins of play.

Passin more time Afk in the morning than actually playin. Afk XIV : a coward reborn.

/rage

Don't get your hopes up. It's not going anywhere any time soon.

The Vote to Abandon definitely needs some tweaks. As it is right now, even if you want to stay and continue and just have the DF fill in the rest of the spots, you're removed and have no choice. Incredibly annoying in CT when someone votes to abandon after a wipe (several occasions it's just after the first wipe) and now you're stuck re-queuing.

Vote to Kick needs some other tweaks as well. If someone is kicked from an instance, they should not be able to re-queue right back into the same instance. Had an situation where the tank in the party was trolling the alliance by starting fights early and locking people out, running adds and the boss all over the place, and doing whatever he could to MPK the CT alliance. We had to kick him 3 times since he was able to re-queue instantly back into the party.

A Bad Thing happened time to tell the forums.

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

For the people that just leave because they simply can't play with the spirit of well, just playin.

Sick to death of these 90 mins of waitin for 15 mins of play.

Passin more time Afk in the morning than actually playin. Afk XIV : a coward reborn.

/rage

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make a tank

Won't really change anything.

Another option would be to fix the game so DD/DPS doesn't have to wait 90 min to get a DF party. That is the real problem isn't it?

You wouldn't care so much if people abandoned if you got right back in a party...

yeah, 2 hours lockout when you get an other stupid 90k, great idea..

Yesterday I entered CT to help and I had the honor to be in 3 successive runs that abandoned after the very first wipe. It was entertaining to waste 45 minutes with no progress at all :D Oh, and on the fourth run they were complaining (and calling names) about having to wait for a tank that got dc'ed. It seems that even waiting the recommended 5 minutes of courtesy (or having any kind of patience at all) is too much to ask for some. I get it, I get it, your time is worth way more that anyone else's.

All in all, this is the MMO with some of the weirdest "players" that I've had the pleasure to meet. You amuse me, guys.

P.S.: There's a lot of nice folks around too, but sadly you end noticing more the impatient/immature ones (specially with systems as the 'vote abandon').

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I do think vote abandon needs a lot of tweeks.

If you voted no, you should have the option of staying and waiting for more people to queue up. And maybe make the % a bit higher, closer to 75% or something.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

The Vote to Abandon definitely needs some tweaks. As it is right now, even if you want to stay and continue and just have the DF fill in the rest of the spots, you're removed and have no choice. Incredibly annoying in CT when someone votes to abandon after a wipe (several occasions it's just after the first wipe) and now you're stuck re-queuing.

Vote to Kick needs some other tweaks as well. If someone is kicked from an instance, they should not be able to re-queue right back into the same instance. Had an situation where the tank in the party was trolling the alliance by starting fights early and locking people out, running adds and the boss all over the place, and doing whatever he could to MPK the CT alliance. We had to kick him 3 times since he was able to re-queue instantly back into the party.

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This is also why people need to stop reflexively hitting the "Find Members" button that pops when they're leader.

These features were put in because ppl would just troll for laugh and AFK for freebies. You are just asking to trade one problem for another.

Just get rid of the time limits. Then you can idle while you wait for new ppl to join. What is the point of these time limits anyway?

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Originally Posted by Mayin

These features were put in because ppl would just troll for laugh and AFK for freebies. You are just asking to trade one problem for another.

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that is a legit use of Vote Kick, people who are afk.

The games party sizes are complete and utter fail. That is the root problem of all of these issues. Bout time people recognize and get SE to up the party size to six 12 and 18 just like in FFXI (where it wasn't fail).

Wait, what? A 2 hour lock out? I'm having trouble believing this is a serious suggestion, please clarify.

I think the OP is saying there should be a 2 hour lockout for abandoning duty, and no possibility to undermine it. This is a suggestion based on his impotent rage so it's sure to be thoughtful and worthy of consideration.

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Originally Posted by Squa

that is a legit use of Vote Kick, people who are afk.

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I knowm I was telling the OP why these features came into existence in the first place.

I find it highly annoying when someone in CT attempts to vote abandon after a boss dies and they didn't get their loot.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

I do think vote abandon needs a lot of tweeks.

If you voted no, you should have the option of staying and waiting for more people to queue up. And maybe make the % a bit higher, closer to 75% or something.

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It's already 75% for light parties. For full parties it's already 5/8 needed, while you may think that is too few, I think decreasing the no votes needed to only 3/8 would be bad. So I am fine with how it is now.

Alliances could maybe do with one more vote needed to keep the 5/8 yes ratio from full parties, but I'm fine with where it is now. I see why they put it where they did, it's a half way point between the 2 extra initiators that don't exist because only 1 person from the alliance instead of 1 per party need to initiate, but if it would calm people down, one more vote yes needed won't hurt there.

I agree the penalty should be higher for rage quitters. Also the abandon feature should either be removed or make it a bigger majority vote, more like 6 out of 8.

Oh hey, we queued as 4-5 people, we feel this run has no chance in hell of ending well, but since the vote abandon feature now has a 2 hour lockout, we'll just take off all our equips and wipe the party till one of the others decide to leave. Ps. They can't kick us either cuz we're the majority! Trololololol!

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

For the people that just leave because they simply can't play with the spirit of well, just playin.

Sick to death of these 90 mins of waitin for 15 mins of play.

Passin more time Afk in the morning than actually playin. Afk XIV : a coward reborn.

/rage

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Sounds like what people who get kicked for being bad say all the time; not new players.. I'm referring to long time players that never improve. Aka: why can't magami get a static? Ask any good players if they have this sort of sentiment... Good players love the vote kick option. GG.

You can not make other people play with you. If they can not vote abandon or leave, they will disconnect. And you are back where you started. There are many ways vote kick abuse can happen, and those can all be reported to the GM. However if you are consistently vote kicked, maybe that is because you are a troll in game and don't expect people to put up with you going AFK indefinitely while they are trying to make progress.

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Exactly lmao good stuff

I don't think there's a way to make vote kick 100% abuse-free. It's the sad truth(in my opinion), but I'd rather deal with the issues we have now than the issues we had before vote kick. Before vote kick, I did at least 50 dungeons where a tank or DPS would AFK and expect to get a free carry for the tomes. The only way to deal with them was to report them then finish the dungeon or abandon it. As a side note, I don't think any of these AFK trolls ever got punished. A lot of people would just leave the duty, getting the abandon penalty instead of the AFK troll. Choosing to join an in-progress party use to be a bad idea because 99% of the time you'd end up in a AFK trolls party.

AFKing is still an issue, yes, but not like it use to be. If you didn't live through the "pre-vote kick" days I'm not sure you could understand how incredibly frustrating it was.

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Originally Posted by Mayin

Just get rid of the time limits. Then you can idle while you wait for new ppl to join. What is the point of these time limits anyway?

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Because then people could troll the instances by queing up and staying afk forever. Then other people cant enter because the instances are full. Theres not an unlimited amount of instances that can be open you know.

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

Because then people could troll the instances by queing up and staying afk forever. Then other people cant enter because the instances are full. Theres not an unlimited amount of instances that can be open you know.

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That's not trolling. That's just some dumb evil rage/ignorance induced Id behavior lol. Trolling is a much more light hearted humorous adventure. A lot of people think "imma troll them" and just act annoying...that's not trolling. Trolling layers confusion with doubt with laughs with mermaids.

If you kick X player from your group they should not beable to Re q into your group but again people could abuse it but in your case trolling tank that is a vaild reason to not want them back.

The Vote to Abandon feature will continue to be abused until SE fundamentally reconsiders the design of their fights.

Battles are far too dependent on everyone doing their job competently. Obviously in the case of CT/ST this is somewhat eased, but "new" people can still cause a group-wide wipe if they mess up on the mechanics of the fight. This is a patently ridiculous way to introduce difficulty in a cooperative game. It causes players to become hostile towards each other, discourages mutual support and patience, and, more relevant to the OP, generates abuse of the Abandon / Kick features.

It needs to go. It's probably the single largest flaw with XIV's design at the moment, and I don't say that lightly.

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Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs

Oh hey, we queued as 4-5 people, we feel this run has no chance in hell of ending well, but since the vote abandon feature now has a 2 hour lockout, we'll just take off all our equips and wipe the party till one of the others decide to leave. Ps. They can't kick us either cuz we're the majority! Trololololol!

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They can report you tho ^_^