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I just bought the game two days ago, and I haven't yet got a chance to play more than 20 minutes thanks to a 7 month old baby, but anyhow...

I originally planned to play a monk, but, after doing some research it seems like they're a very complicated class, and I would like something a little easier to start out with to get used to the game.

I was thinking between the following classes, BM, Bard, and Dragoon. Can someone please give me the pro's and con's of these classes? If someone has a suggestion for a beginners class that wasn't of the three I listed, I am very open to ideas.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

I just bought the game two days ago, and I haven't yet got a chance to play more than 20 minutes thanks to a 7 month old baby, but anyhow...

I originally planned to play a monk, but, after doing some research it seems like they're a very complicated class, and I would like something a little easier to start out with to get used to the game.

I was thinking between the following classes, BM, Bard, and Dragoon. Can someone please give me the pro's and con's of these classes? If someone has a suggestion for a beginners class that wasn't of the three I listed, I am very open to ideas.

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I think Blm alot easyer then drg and monk to play.

So a couple things before I give my opinions on the specifics of those classes/jobs.

1 - Consider tanking. Tanks are in short supply and high demand, and Paladins are very easy to play. They are a semi-high pressure job, but it is uncomplicated to use. If you don't think you will have large chunks of time to devote to queuing for dungeons, waiting to get into a group, then doing the dungeons without baby interruptions, being a tank will help you get instant queues for almost anything you want to do.

2 - Try everything! Some of the classes in this game function pretty different from one another, and from other MMOs in terms of traditional playing styles. I would recommend giving everything a try until you find something that you enjoy!

As for those classes/jobs:

Thaumaturge/Black Mage - VERY easy to play. The first 15 levels are kind of boring and a little tedious because if your low health pool, but they end up being rediculously fun (1800-2000 dmg crits, and the best AoE dmg spell in the game!). They attack from range, so there is a slight advantage there, but they have low health pools, and 90% of their damage dealing ability requires you to stay still to cast a spell, so as you dodge red circles and AE effects, you will lose some DPS. Overall, it is my 3rd favorite class in the game. In terms of simplicity, it is, in my opinion, the simplest lvl 50 DPS class to play, in that you can maximize your damage through a very simple rotation that doesn't require much innovation or circumstantial changes (i81 BLM).

Archer/Bard - I don't have any personal experience with ARC/BRD past level 15, but it is one of the most in-demand (if not THE MOST) DPS classes in the game at level 50. They have great group utility, and they do decent damage. They are also the most flexible in terms of damage up-time, as they don't ever have to cast spells, so they can be constantly moving and dodging. In terms of simple mechanics, they have a lot of buttons to press, but nothing overly complicated to deal with.

Lancer/Dragoon - OMG I hate Dragoon, lol. But the reason I hate it is because is slow and very simple compared to MNK (my main). You have one main damage combination, a couple DoTs, and a lot of off-GCD abilities. I will say that they do pace the skills you get pretty well for DRG. Meaning it will start off as being BEYOND simple to use your skills, and then they add one or two every 5 levels that you learn to weave into your rotations. My DRG is only level 34 because I didn't like it very much, but I got the general gist of where the class was going from there.

Overall, I'd recommend trying some of every flavor before you put a ton of time and effort into one class.

I would say BLM or BRD. BLM has a rotation that's pretty easy to understand. BRD has an easy time with positioning and movement compared to, well, any other class at all. DRG's rotation isn't so bad to start with, but it gets kind of hairy later on.

I find tanks are usually the easier for me, personally, to play. Just be prepared to be blamed for everything that goes wrong in a dungeon run and to be the leader of the group.

But it really is a personal preference. Some people find different classes easier than others based on their preferred style of game play.

Thanks for the information.

My situation is that I have a 7 month old daughter. She doesn't tend to sleep like ever. TBH I wouldn't be playing any MMO's if she slept reliably, because I would be playing League of Legends. But It's simply just not an option for me at this time. So I decided to try some MMO's since I can generally play for 5 minutes at a time, and drop whatever I was doing, and handle real life things.

So basically due to my situation I ruled out tanking because in my experience people get pissed when I either have to AFK for extended periods, or drop group because my daughter woke up(I only play while she sleeps). So I tend to prefer to solo content as much as I can because I don't want to be a liability to my group.

I think I am leaning towards a black mage at this point. Can you tell me about the summoner class ? At least, I think that's what it's called.

As far as my style of play, I value classes that can solo better than others highest. I enjoy playing all roles dps, tank, and heals. I'd like to say I have a very versatile play style.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

So I tend to prefer to solo content as much as I can because I don't want to be a liability to my group.

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There is a significant amount of forced grouping in this game. Starting around level 16, the story line quests will require you to do a dungeon or primal fight every few levels. See this thread this thread for a pretty complete list. Unlike some other MMOs, you also can't outlevel the dungeons, then go back and solo them. You can't enter without a party of the intended size, and the dungeons sync your level down to their intended level.

Not to discourage you from playing, just thought you should be aware ahead of time. There are still other things to do besides the main story, of course, but if you're interested in the main story, you're in for a good deal of instances that require partying.

Edit: All that being said, pretty much any class can solo decently. Healers and tanks kill things a little more slowly, but are hard to kill themselves. DPS kill faster but are squishy. SMN is actually one of the easier soloing classes, because they get tank pets. I personally find soloing easier on my tank classes than my DPS or healing classes, just because I don't have to worry so much about getting ganged up on.

Summoner like the Blackmage is a caster DPS role that relies on pet input. Your DPS mainly comes in from DoTs and ensuring that they are all up. For single player content I believe that it is one of the best out there as you are loaded with your own healing spell, MP regeneration (BLM has to balance Astral Fire/ Umbral Ice procs for their MP regen, and ours is just one button) and tank pet. The only thing we don't really have to start off with is a good AOE and burst DPS.

Plus when you are able to do the job quests you get to have primal's floating around and nor just carbuncles. Arcanist is also currently the only class that can have two jobs.

But I am a bit biased as SMN is my main. It's up to you on how you wish to play and what cracks that cheeky grin on your face when you down content.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

There is a significant amount of forced grouping in this game. Starting around level 16, the story line quests will require you to do a dungeon or primal fight every few levels. Unlike some other MMOs, you also can't outlevel the dungeons, then go back and solo them. You can't enter without a party of the intended size, and the dungeons sync your level down to their intended level.
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I think I am okay with that, as long as I am playing a DPS class. I wouldn't feel bad about dropping group during an dungeon as a DPS class because there is always a bazillion DPS people ready to take my spot. I was playing the star wars knights of the old republic before I bought this game. However, I found after a month of playing, I just didn't enjoy the game. I think I only played that long because of the genre.

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Originally Posted by AzucenaC

Summoner like the Blackmage is a caster DPS role that relies on pet input. Your DPS mainly comes in from DoTs and ensuring that they are all up. For single player content I believe that it is one of the best out there as you are loaded with your own healing spell, MP regeneration (BLM has to balance Astral Fire/ Umbral Ice procs for their MP regen, and ours is just one button) and tank pet. The only thing we don't really have to start off with is a good AOE and burst DPS.

Plus when you are able to do the job quests you get to have primal's floating around and nor just carbuncles. Arcanist is also currently the only class that can have two jobs.

But I am a bit biased as SMN is my main. It's up to you on how you wish to play and what cracks that cheeky grin on your face when you down content.

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Sounds a lot like a warlock from WOW.

For a fairly new player I would recommend Archer/Bard. I don't have much personal experience but they seem easiest to play as, being able to move and still do damage, and also as a ranged you will have a good view to observe what exactly is going on as you progress in difficulty, and if you decide to do some other role later on you will have that experience to fall back on.

That being said, there is significant emphasis on cross class skills as you approach end game. Bard uses cross class skills from Pugilist and Lancer, so you can really level a few classes to 15 or so and see how you like it, those skills will come in handy later on.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

Sounds a lot like a warlock from WOW.

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Well I haven't played WoW so I won't be able to say if it is or isn't haha.

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Originally Posted by AzucenaC

Well I haven't played WoW so I won't be able to say if it is or isn't haha.

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Lol, pretty much the same concept. They summon "demon" pets, and use DOTs as their primary damage source. I may try the summoner now since, it's a play style I'm familiar with.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

Thanks for the information.

My situation is that I have a 7 month old daughter. She doesn't tend to sleep like ever. TBH I wouldn't be playing any MMO's if she slept reliably, because I would be playing League of Legends. But It's simply just not an option for me at this time. So I decided to try some MMO's since I can generally play for 5 minutes at a time, and drop whatever I was doing, and handle real life things.

So basically due to my situation I ruled out tanking because in my experience people get pissed when I either have to AFK for extended periods, or drop group because my daughter woke up(I only play while she sleeps). So I tend to prefer to solo content as much as I can because I don't want to be a liability to my group.

I think I am leaning towards a black mage at this point. Can you tell me about the summoner class ? At least, I think that's what it's called.

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You will probably want to avoid DRG and MNK due to their potential being greatest when they are not in front of a monster. The positioning can be a bit of a nuisance if you do not have a tank with you to keep the monster occupied. You might still consider a tank, even if you don't intend to do dungeons with it, due to their durability which can come in very handy during FATE events (which you will probably be doing a lot of) when you are alone. Warrior has a good mix of damage, durability, and self-healing which makes it a nice melee choice for solo work.

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Originally Posted by MithrasInvictus

You will probably want to avoid DRG and MNK due to their potential being greatest when they are not in front of a monster. The positioning can be a bit of a nuisance if you do not have a tank with you to keep the monster occupied. You might still consider a tank, even if you don't intend to do dungeons with it, due to their durability which can come in very handy during FATE events (which you will probably be doing a lot of) when you are alone. Warrior has a good mix of damage, durability, and self-healing which makes it a nice melee choice for solo work.

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I think warrior would probably be a good choice for me as well. It seem'd like that have a pretty good kit. Does anyone go against the grain, and play a DPS warrior ?

I'd recommend Arcanist -> Summoner also. They have pets that can tank for solo content. Since most of their damage is DoTs and pets can/will continue to act on their own, if you go afk for a minute it's possible no one will notice.

on topic: In my opinion, BLM is the job for you. It is easy to use, and in the long run can be a powerful mage, with a few CC magic to help on rough situations.

off topic: Have you tried Free To Play MMOs? There are a few easy going games out there. Think about that after you play a little. Because paying $13-$15 monthly to play a little sometimes is rough, depending on the income. But other than that, FFXIV is extremely casual friendly in almost every aspect of the game. I play around 1-3 hours daily, if able, mostly solo, and I have yet to find a wall, content wise.

Welcome to Eorzea!

Currently, I think I'm going to try warrior, bard, black mage. Then make my decision after that. My question is, what level should I play until to base my decision. I have limited play time, so I don't want it to be too high. I'm thinking in the 10-15 range.

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on topic: In my opinion, BLM is the job for you. It is easy to use, and in the long run can be a powerful mage, with a few CC magic to help on rough situations.

off topic: Have you tried Free To Play MMOs? There are a few easy going games out there. Think about that after you play a little. Because paying $13-$15 monthly to play a little sometimes is rough, depending on the income. But other than that, FFXIV is extremely casual friendly in almost every aspect of the game. I play around 1-3 hours daily, if able, mostly solo, and I have yet to find a wall, content wise.

Welcome to Eorzea!

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Thank you!

I tried SWKOTOR free mmo, played for about a month, and hated it. I have a good job, and I can certainly spare 15 bucks a month or whatever the price is. The thing that attracted to me to this game is the way the class/job system works. I like the idea that I have to level a class to 30, and a sub class to 15 to unlock my main advanced class.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

I think warrior would probably be a good choice for me as well. It seem'd like that have a pretty good kit. Does anyone go against the grain, and play a DPS warrior ?

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You can do it, certainly. People generally don't for party content because even at it's best warrior just can't compare to the damage that a dedicated DPS class can dole out. For the vast majority of open-world content you can take full advantage of the armory system, and outfit your warrior however you like. If you want very sharp teeth, do it!

Look around for a family friendly Free Company or Linkshell to join. You're going to want to be able to find groups that are understanding about it if you need to suddenly AFK for a little while, and that's more likely if you can talk to people in advance and they know that your home situation sometimes requires that. I've done FC dungeon runs where we occasionally stop for a little while because someone's kid just woke up, and everyone's fine with that, but in random groups there's a greater likelihood of the other players getting pissed off by it.

Just about any class can handle solo content, and you can spend the majority of your time solo, but as Bixby mentioned, there are also quite a few required dungeons and trials where you'll need a group. People generally recommend finding a friendly FC as a worthwhile move for any new player, but I think it's especially important to those like yourself whose family life may make your game time erratic. A good FC should be able to help you get through the required dungeons so you can advance through the game. And in return, you can help them do the same.

Another question.

Say I level an arcanist to level 30, and whatever the summoners other subclass is to 15, and then I level the summoner to level 50.

Would I have access to a level 46 arcanist spell such as miasma II or would I need to level my arcanist to level 46 as well ?

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Originally Posted by emeposk

Another question.

Say I level an arcanist to level 30, and whatever the summoners other subclass is to 15, and then I level the summoner to level 50.

Would I have access to a level 46 arcanist spell such as miasma II or would I need to level my arcanist to level 46 as well ?

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It will always be your ACN getting the experience points, the SMN is just a modifier for the ACN class which is equipped to your character like a weapon or piece of armour.

The jobs based on the classes use the same level as the class. So leveling Summoner to 50 is the same as leveling Arcanist to 50. As a Summoner you will have access to all of your Arcanist abilities plus a few more job specific ones. You have less access to cross-class skills with the job, though.

Since you're considering WAR you should know that when you use Duty Finder it will automatically put you into the dungeon as a tank. The only way to avoid this would be to queue with someone else who is also a tank, usually an FC member.

From what you need from your available playtime, it sounds like ACN/SMN would suit you best. You would also have the option of queuing as a Scholar for healing, which has a shorter wait time than DPS, once you hit 30 on ACN.

The way the job system works is that at level 30 on a class you will have the option to do a quest to unlock a job, which is a specialized version of the class. In Arcanist's case, it gets access to two jobs: Scholar and Summoner. Each has the requirement of a secondary class at 15. For Summoner it's THM; for Scholar it's CNJ (Conjurer). Once you complete the quest you are rewarded with a Soul Crystal. This is a slot in your equipment window beneath your rings. Equipping the SMN Soul Crystal while on ACN turns you into a SMN. You still, however, share stats and experience points with Arcanist. When you level on either SCH or SMN you will be awarded ACN experience points. Technically, you are always leveling the class.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Look around for a family friendly Free Company or Linkshell to join. You're going to want to be able to find groups that are understanding about it if you need to suddenly AFK for a little while, and that's more likely if you can talk to people in advance and they know that your home situation sometimes requires that. I've done FC dungeon runs where we occasionally stop for a little while because someone's kid just woke up, and everyone's fine with that, but in random groups there's a greater likelihood of the other players getting pissed off by it.

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Thank you for the advice! Everyone has been so helpful so far, I really appreciate it. By the way does everyone have the 1000 character limit on their posts? It's pretty annoying...

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Originally Posted by emeposk

Thank you for the advice! Everyone has been so helpful so far, I really appreciate it. By the way does everyone have the 1000 character limit on their posts? It's pretty annoying...

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That it is...

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Since you're considering WAR you should know that when you use Duty Finder it will automatically put you into the dungeon as a tank. The only way to avoid this would be to queue with someone else who is also a tank, usually an FC member.

From what you need from your available playtime, it sounds like ACN/SMN would suit you best. You would also have the option of queuing as a Scholar for healing, which has a shorter wait time than DPS, once you hit 30 on ACN.

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Thank you for this information. I think I am leaning more towards a summoner at this point.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

Thank you for the advice! Everyone has been so helpful so far, I really appreciate it. By the way does everyone have the 1000 character limit on their posts? It's pretty annoying...

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The character limit doesn't apply to edits. Anyone you see with large posts has edited to add the text over 1000.

Hi and welcome to Eorzea!

Since you've been given all these informations, you seem to be coming down to a decision already. However, since I haven't seen any Archer/Bard specific posts, I'll just chime in to lay out some information on that class for you, in case you may want to try it out later.

So like all classes, Archer is your starting class, and when you get to level 30, you unlock the Bard job. In order to unlock Bard, you do have to level Pugilist to level 15, so you're pretty much forced to try out that class as well. Anyways, let's get started.

Archer pre-level 30 is mainly a DPS class. It has a much lower damage output compared to other DPS classes. That's the offset of this class, however, it does have 100% uptime on damage output due to it being a Ranged class, and still be able to attack while mobile. So this class is pretty useful for AoE-heavy fights.

At level 30 when you unlock Bard, it's still heavily a DPS class, but as you progress further in level and content, Bard will start to lean towards being a support class. In other words, in end-game contents, you're playing support more than half the time. Bard has songs that lowers its damage output by 10-20% while active, by boosting caster classes' DPS/help Healer's MP regen. Examples: Black Mage, and White Mage respectively.
Bard also the role of inflicting "Silence" in end-game for interrupts.

So that's the general gameplay of a Archer/Bard. Hope this helps you in deciding, and good luck with whichever path you decide to take!

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The character limit doesn't apply to edits. Anyone you see with large posts has edited to add the text over 1000.

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That's good to know. I tried to quote some posts, and they were for sure over 1000 characters. I was thinking there was a limit for new players or something lol.

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Originally Posted by DxWings

Hi and welcome to Eorzea!

Since you've been given all these informations, you seem to be coming down to a decision already. However, since I haven't seen any Archer/Bard specific posts, I'll just chime in to lay out some information on that class for you, in case you may want to try it out later.

So like all classes, Archer is your starting class, and when you get to level 30, you unlock the Bard job. In order to unlock Bard, you do have to level Pugilist to level 15, so you're pretty much forced to try out that class as well. Anyways, let's get started.

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I am also considering bard for sure. Ranged DPS with a bow has always been my go to choice, but I also love pet classes. The choice is really hard !!! I really think, I'm going to level like every class to level 10, and pick the one I like the best at this point.

Good evening, Emeposk!

I'm only a noob that started to game recently, a few weeks... But, maybe because that I could try to help you a little telling you my little experiences with the classes I managed to raise to 15 during a certain time, I'll also give you a recommendation.

When you get to level 10 then you can try all the classes and see what fits best with you... So which class should you start first to becoming 10 quick and without troubles?.... I'd recommend you Arcanist.

I used the following ones: Thaumaturge, Conjurer, Archer, Arcanist.

With the thaumaturge you have no problems with the MP, but... You can't heal yourself in low levels (Later you can use a cross skill ability like physick or heal... But not in your first class, of course.) So you would have serious troubles at the beggining with the heal.

With the Conjurer, it's ok, you can use some damage with stone + aero in cleric stance, then remove the cleric stance before healing, heal, and come back to making some damage, but you'll still having probably problems with the MP in important battles you have to do (Especially some instances where you can't do party)

With the arcanist in the 5-6 few levels you already have a pet helping you and attacking, a heal magic, so you could heal the pet if is obtaining all the attention, or heal yourself and run while the pet attacks. You can also put Bio that make damage over time, and if you are not healing yourself, use ruin. Only with bios and the pet you have already a good damage until becoming 10 and you can also heal yourself or others.

Unlike the other three, with the archer you can enjoy a full movility, attacking while dodging, moving away from your enemies without having a loss in DPS, you deal quick ranged and easy damage. You could also achieve easily level 10 with this class, because despite the vitality is not so high and can't heal, at least you can run a lot and mantain away. But still, you won't be able of doing for example a FATE alone with a boss like the arcanist could.

It's just my experience and opinion playing those classes, And I found really easy raising the first levels arcanist and archer!

PS: And now I have my own little doubt about Disciples of War and healing... How could they do it...? I doubt physick and cure spells that use the mind attribute would be useful for physical classes... I want to guess they have their own ways to recover HP in higher levels

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Starting out as Disciple of War can be tough. I mostly relied on using Potions. My first character on another server (before I made my current character on Tonberry) was a Lancer. I believe you unlocked Life Surge at Level 10 or so? That was a rather unreliable healing skill I had, but for the purposes of solo content it was fine.

Arcanist is a good class to start with. You get a bit of everything. You get to heal, you get to DPS, you get a tank pet. Later on in dungeons, you can double up as a raiser as well.

When I played Lancer for a bit, I realized how much I liked dungeons and that DPS queue times were too long. So when I made my current character on Tonberry, I decided she was going to be the cutest Lalafell tanker ever. Never looked back. I still love dungeons, even now, so I cringe when I have to level DPS classes.

Also consider that for any class to be useful end game, you need to get the relevant cross-class skills. For example, to get a Summoner, you need Arcanist 30 and Thaumaturge 15. However, to be a really effective Summoner, you will need to level up that Thaumaturge to at least 26 for Swiftcast, because it's such a necessary skill to have for mages. Certain DPS classes like Monk or Bard would have to level a Lancer to 34 for Blood for Blood. In that sense, I find that Gladiator/Paladin is the easiest class to play if you want to fast track it to end-game. This class does not "require" any cross-class skills compared to all the other classes that I know, it can be largely independant and still be really effective. The best cross-class skills a Paladin can have are Stoneskin, Foresight, and Bloodbath. However, they are not mandatory to have, compared to having Swiftcast (THM 26) on a White Mage/Quelling Strikes (ARC 34) on a Black Mage/Blood for Blood (LNC 34) on a Monk or Bard. The only thing is I read earlier you may not want to be a tank, but if you want a class that you don't need to invest too much time in, consider a Gladiator.

While I am not encouraging you to not get any cross-class skills as a Gladiator, I am just saying the class is fairly self-sufficient. Eventually I would still recommend you to get the cross-class skills you need, but for the purposes of end-game, you can go without those skills.

Ok so I started out as Conjurer, went White Mage, leveled Archer / Bard for group content and then later went on to Summoner for soloing, I have played every class to at least 10. I truly wish I had just gone Summoner when I started, your Titan pet can tank nearly anything, your Dps is comparable to anything single target except Black Mage. and it can be as simple or as complicated as you want it. You want to micro-manage your pet and give specific commands go for it. you want it to act on its own with only basic direction also fine. Have to go afk because of a RL emergency for 30 seconds odds are you wont come back to a corpse :)

Not to mention they have some of the best looking armor in the game :)

An update, my daughter was nice enough to allow me to play last night. I got to level 7, well actually 10 points shy of level 8. I found it mostly enjoyable, except for when a fate boss killed me. It was me, and another dude. He was level 5, and I was level 3. I waited for him to attack the boss, and then I attacked once. I immediately pulled aggro, and the boss continued to attack me even though I stopped attacking after I pulled aggro. No worries though, a couple of levels later I got my revenge on him.

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Originally Posted by emeposk

An update, my daughter was nice enough to allow me to play last night. I got to level 7, well actually 10 points shy of level 8. I found it mostly enjoyable, except for when a fate boss killed me. It was me, and another dude. He was level 5, and I was level 3. I waited for him to attack the boss, and then I attacked once. I immediately pulled aggro, and the boss continued to attack me even though I stopped attacking after I pulled aggro. No worries though, a couple of levels later I got my revenge on him.

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As a point on this all the monsters in this game are on a fairly short "leash" especially FATES, so in most cases if your outmatched you can just run after a short run the monster will reset back to its starting point, losing all agro :)

as far as hate goes, theres a little colored indicator next to your character name as long as it isnt solid Red the mob isnt after you specifically, get used to watching this now if you dont want to get unplanned hate

I understand your reservations on going tank but with how things are at up with the duty finder system people in your group can get a new tank most of the time if you had to drop. Dps queues can be horrible. Bard is also a good idea if you want to play a dps. They are easy to play, mobile, and not so punishing if you mess up your rotations. They are also well loved in end game content.

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Read up where you said you are enjoying arcanist. It's a really fun class. I enjoy scholar and in lower level dungeons you can literally put yourself on follow and have your fairy auto heal everyone. Good luck in your travels!

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Originally Posted by emeposk

Sounds a lot like a warlock from WOW.

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It is very similar, but you can rezz. Good class to start and solo level fast to 50. Then you can level BLM and WHM for cross skills adn maybe archmage. As a top BLM you will need BRD to 34, so you could try out several jobs and get them to 20, then decide.