There will be a *mandatory* wipe in every fight to get the buff. If the echo buff stacks, you may be wiping several times to gain this buff. Expect to see people advertise this "strat" in party finder...
Sure, you may say, why would people do that for the easier fights? The answer is the same reason you can on monday look in Party Finder to see nothing but turn 2 "enrage strat" groups. The reason is if there is an easier way, people will do it.
People can do what they want. Like I said, I expect people to do this in pugs, maybe even fc groups as well to just save time. Before you say, "Just don't do that, or just don't join those groups", I will be doing it as well. I mean, why not? I guess the reason I bring it up is that, from a Final Fantasy standpoint, why would you pointlessly kill yourself from a lore standpoint?
What do you all think? Is killing yourself for fun in theme with the franchise? :p
I anticipate someone saying: "They should just make it automatic!" or "Are you just too lazy to wipe a few times?" Maybe but, I guess mostly I'm just pointing out the mechanic to which you get the buff is a bit of a downer is all. I personally would be happy with no buff, but I'm sure it will get implemented as it's probably want the majority want.
When the Echo buff was designed for 2.0, it was intended, I believe, to ease people with the main storyline as well as the class/job quests. So, if you could beat it the first time, you simply did. If you could not, you were sure to get it on repeat attempts. You didn't just throw the fight right away cause obviously you weren't going to farm the encounters over and over after you beat it. There is the difference.
Echo buff in Coil farms will be problematic because...
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02-05-2014, 03:23 PMCherieEcho buff in Coil farms will be problematic because...
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02-05-2014, 03:26 PMKiriA500
If you can only get this buff after wiping...and everybody just abandons the fight after the first wipe...is there really a buff...?
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02-05-2014, 03:29 PMAllyra
WoW has the same kind of buff in their LFR. I don't think I ever saw people specifically trying for this though they would be thankful after a few wipes that it existed.
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02-05-2014, 03:30 PMDuuude007
This is why I think there should be a droprate penalty if you accept the echo buff.
Sure, you can progress the story by dumbing down the fight, but if the chest then has a 50% chance at dark matter instead of gear, will it really be the best option?
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02-05-2014, 03:30 PMCherieQuote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
LOL
That's how it is now!
After the patch, every wipe is like +20% damage +20% health? You'd be silly to leave. -
02-05-2014, 03:31 PMAaron_T
I dunno maybe there can be a way to make it so people can't abuse the buff. Why would you wanna die in purpose anyways just for a buff? Just let it happen naturally, it'd be pointless to abuse it. Its probably not even going to be a large buff right?
Since you said CT was a stepping stone, kinda it drops ilvl 80 gear, ct isn't that hard I think its doable in ivly70 or less, so thats like a 70 challenge rating. Coil should be like an 80 challenge rating so.. a 10% increase would be enough I think. Heck even 20% but I think much more is kind of giving it away
Keep ind mind though there are people that aren't downing it. T4 and T5 can be kinda rough. -
02-05-2014, 03:32 PMXayoc
Statement: The buff will apply only the first time the content is cleared, not subsequent 'farming' runs. For all those looking for an Easy Mode farm of Allagan weapons, tough luck.
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02-05-2014, 03:35 PMDuuude007No quote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xayoc
And how do you account for mixed parties, the newbies get the buff, the rest dont? -
02-05-2014, 03:36 PMSynra
I remember them talking about this echo buff way back before launch, but I don't recall ever actually seeing it in game. But after all these months of playing and experiencing the kind of content this game has, I honestly think the concept is terrible. Giving us a training wheels buff for failing repeatedly is not even in the ballpark of a good idea. If there are serious issues with clearing a boss fight, they should re-evaluate the design of the fight. Let's be honest, a lot of these end-game fights would become a LOT easier if we could simply dodge AOEs reliably.
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02-05-2014, 03:37 PMCherieDid you read that somewhere? That would turn my point on it's ear if it was true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xayoc
But regarding Allagan weapons, won't Leviathan EX weapons be better anyway... AND farmable? -
02-05-2014, 03:37 PMNekodar
The buff has been called similar to the echo buff and from what's been said it sounds like it will apply upon entrance to coil. Not after wipe.
And you can remove it you want. -
02-05-2014, 03:39 PMMusashidon
the buff is there from the start not after you die, just click the buff off and you are normal. that's what yoshi p said.
so no you don't have to die.
also yes it's to make easier content because i90 won't be the best anymore so anyone in i90 won't be the cool kids it's the kids in i100 or i110 they will be the new cool kids, it's to allow casuals who couldn't beat coil to be able to beat it but 6-9 will be the new hardest content. -
02-05-2014, 03:42 PMCheriehttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...21#post1838321Quote:
Originally Posted by Hvinire
One of the community reps posted this but true, I don't know if you will have the buff after dieing or not based on that. I do know from the current Echo buff in the game, that you gain it after dieing once.
As far as the current content and etc point of view, I never said I was against the buff. I just said, I was against mandatory wipes before bosses...cause doing that is just silly.