A petition for the alteration of SE's copyright policy (Music in Videos)

Friendly reminder to please keep your posts free from anything that can be construed as defamation, as many defamatory or insulting posts can be used as an excuse to delete the thread.

I'm going to keep the OP as unbiased as possible, post only the facts, and allow you to choose your own opinion.

To preface, the current policy is as below, directly quoted from http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...5382&tag=authc

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Guidelines for Music and Sounds

- You may only use music as it is incorporated in FFXIV;
- When showing gameplay, you may not replace the FFXIV music with third party music;
- You may not play FFXIV music alone (i.e., without accompanying gameplay footage), or with third party materials;
- You may not use the song track entitled "Answers."

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Next, the facts.

Fact: You may not create a pvp video with any alterations to the sound.
Fact: If you do, you will be banned from the forums.
Fact: You will also have your Youtube account revoked.
Fact: SE is spending more time policing this copyright policy than they are policing the bots currently sitting in queue for ranked PvP matches. The thread linked above, the video in it was removed and the user banned within two days. How many bots have you reported, yet still see playing weeks later, ruining your matches, or stealing your farm spots?
Fact: From a business standpoint, there are no gains to this policy. Feel free to try and disprove this.
Fact: From a players standpoint, SE is actively snuffling out a source of free advertising, and a source of many players enjoyment.
Fact: There are no other MMOs with a dedicated Western server with such a strict copyright policy. I can't comb through Jap or Korean MMOs to see their policies, but from the ones I have played (Tera, BnS), I do not think any other Eastern company does this either.

If you disagree with this policy, I ask that you show your support with either a message stating your disagreement and reasons for your disagreement, or a simple /sign if you feel your reasons have been properly stated previously in the thread. I will update OP periodically to add your names in. I will add your name if you post with implicit approval. If you don't wish for that, state so in your post.

Seeking someone who is fluent in Japanese to manage a Japanese forum version of this thread, contact me please.

Signatures:
Youmu
LongNu (via another forum, banned by SE for posting her videos)
Rekujen
Xatsh
Wobbles
Ryuko
Zabuza
blueblankets
Senfei
Aegir
Nikorayu
Gwendolen
Kaoru_Nagisa
Wspaniale
Epistane
Zaft
Axidrain
Jonny
Rankina
Starlord
Cearka
Nahaara
VincentNightray
Ninix
Dervy
Niadissa
Pavise
Duelle
Eremes
Warrage (Youtube account terminated after copyright claim from SE)
FelisC
RegnumMagik
Kaleido
Noshpan
Raeletta
Pseudopsia
SeleneSinclair
maxm92
Gravehill
Dotsusama
WahPaw
Lafier
Tazo
Belphegor
Sevokevo_Royuki
Alyko
Velcon
frostmagemari
Tronic
Linadae
Naunet
Vydos
XenoSamurai
Cons
Felis
Onihi
Maleha
Warlyx
Ildur
mbncd
Penguinmayhem
Jynnx
Paul_Muaddib
Xanros
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Naishrudo Cochise
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BruceyBangBang
AlphaDragoon
skytair
Tanama
Mailstrum
Imapooonu
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Shiveria
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Srivastra
Chayala
Khanscott
Nils1986

Square-Enix is very backwards when it comes to social media.

They should allow third-party music and let people upload music videos, whether it's PvE content or PvP... these things only PROMOTE the game, which means more money in Squares pockets.

Why they don't allow this is mind boggling.

People will do it with or without SE's permission in the end so it does not matter.

But yes it is pure stupid on SE's part.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

People will do it with or without SE's permission in the end so it does not matter.

But yes it is pure stupid on SE's part.

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It does matter, actually. SE is actively policing videos, as evidenced by Warrage's video being removed from Youtube after a copyright claim from SE, then having his YT account revoked.

signed. I just wanna use the song "Answers"

I agree completely. Allowing gameplay videos to be edited in a tasteful way (cutting scenes, adding third party music, etc) would only make the game BETTER. It would make people want to play, or provide a sense of nostalgia for people who already do. Even if it wasn't a particularly nostalgic video, I might still be impressed by how well it was edited. I see zero bad publicity from this.

The only time I can (sort of) understand SE's current policy is when game glitches are involved. You don't want the glitches in your game exposed to the world, so I sort of understand why they took the videos down that showed people running around with their arms out and feet moving independently from their body. I thought those videos were funny, but at least I understood why they were removed.

Making fan-made videos with all the bells and whistles, external music included, is extremely fun. I'm sad I can't use that outlet with this game or risk some severe consequences.

Signed, they are losing customers with their current policy. Even though I have signed this petition, I bet in a few hours this entire thread will be gone.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Signed, they are losing customers with their current policy. Even though I have signed this petition, I bet in a few hours this entire thread will be gone.

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And within minutes, it will be back up, with its signatures back up. And if accounts go down, new ones will be made. If IPs are blocked, new ones will be accessed.

We as a customer have a right to voice our dissatisfaction, and these forums are the venue for exactly that.

sign

and i agree

I wonder if I'm going to get banned for turning off my in game music and listening to Lindsey Sterling while I play instead. o_o;;;

Yup they need to rethink the advantages that player created content brings to the game and the community. Tbh they are also hurting themselves with this policy.

You have my signature.

signed. Theres absolutely 0 reason to do this. this is the age of social media, and not being able to jazz up your in game footage is ridiculous. if the game were in beta still, maybe i could understand, but it isnt.

Signed. I see no point in doing this. Even if I've never actively made videos for any MMOs I play, I know plenty do, and it's always nice being able to find fun videos involving an MMO I love with a song I love. I have seen no other MMOs take this policy when it comes to videos being made, so I see no reason SE needs to.

/signed

any point I'd make has been brought up

Signed. Absolutely rediculous, gg SE

Signed, you have my support.

Add me into this
All these limitations are starting to get really annoying

Still looking for someone who can translate this for the JP forums. I don't wanna try google translating it and end up being laughed at "baka gaijin machine translate wwwwwww".

Sure why not. /sign

Signed. Does the Fair Use Policy not cover this? I mean they can ban you from their forums at their will of course, but on Youtube, wouldn't it apply?

Youtube doesn't give a crap about individual uploader rights, I wouldnt be surprised if their free usage clause was changed or abandoned after google took over. Just trying to change what we have a chance to change over here.

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Originally Posted by Rankina

Signed. Does the Fair Use Policy not cover this? I mean they can ban you from their forums at their will of course, but on Youtube, wouldn't it apply?

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Fair use Policy can only be used when the following happen:

1) Criticism
2) News reporting
3) Teaching
4) Research

If they aren't doing any of the above, the Fair use doesn't apply. Like if you put music that's not FFXIV into FFXIV videos and that's it, then the fair use won't apply here as it doesn't teach anyone anything, No research, Not reporting anything, and No criticism.

However, I think they should worry about the BOTs more than Youtube Videos.

wow, that police is abit archaic.

A reminder to please let your friends know about the thread if you're signing, the only way this will have any power to change anything is if we present a list of names they can't ignore.

Signed, the current policy is utter nonsense.

Vincent is signing this

Greetings from NSFW, signed.

Actually; you can use all BGMs of FFXIV:ARR over any piece of FFXIV gameplay footage. So if you wanted to show PvP, you can strip off all audio (including sound/animation effects), and only ever use BGM_HM_Altima for example, or BGM_Field_Limsa04 as another example.

As long as you never use any 3rd party music over any gameplay of FFXIV, you're safe.

Also, you cannot use the Answers Soundtrack.

I'm unsure about the 1.0 Before Meteor audio, nor will I risk it.

But, I do agree. You should be allowed to use 3rd party audio, licensed or unlicensed (including your own creation) over any FFXIV gameplay footage. I think they should make it so you're not allowed to monetize a video that as Non-SquareEnix audio over FFXIV gameplay and that's that. But actually sending copyright strikes to youtube creators for using 3rd party audio is extremely unproductive for their advertising. It really limits the creativity from content creators like myself, which is why I will not do any PvP montages until this policy has changed.

Re uped the OP.

It doesn't make a lot of sense that SE is squelching a source of free advertising if nothing else. /Signed

This just show's SE's lack of understanding about how the rest of the world view gaming and creating videos, which is quite saddening.

I'll sign this, but you have to include machinima (then again, including machinima would mean the petition would have to encompass fan-created media instead of just putting music in game-related videos).

I actually did not think of Machinima at all.

/sign count me in

For a second I thought I was on EME's forums...

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Originally Posted by Youmu

I actually did not think of Machinima at all.

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Oh, I know it's beyond the scope of what you're asking. I'm still miffed about SE's dumb stance on that one. I still support your thread.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

For a second I thought I was on EME's forums...

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Funny aint it? I love managing these threads.

I'm one of those people that enjoy listening to BGM while I'm doing some sort of gathering or anything that requires mindless clicking for hours.

But of course, they enjoy ruining my pleasure.

So /signed

signed.

kaleido moleburg - hyperion