New Crafter - Confused!

So my ARM is 42...I'm going to leve my way up to 50 in the next few days.

My intention is to actually make armor, some for spirit bonding, but also to be able to make the new stuff in 2.2 for my Tank and other FC mates.

What other DoH classes do I NEED to level up in order to allow me to have a reasonable success rate in being an ARM? I'm not a big crafter, but I am willing to spend some time to be an ARM. I have no interest in any of the other crafts at this point, and if I have to get everything to 50 in order to accomplish my goals I'll probably just stop now!

Tanks for any advice in advance!

While im not a master, I heard to atleast get every class to 15 for the cross class skills. Then try to get to level 30 if possible then leve your way up.

If your not leveling your going to need to buy mats... This is going to cost you more cash than if you make it yourself but it's usually reasonable... I personally would suggest using leather working since that's going to be most of your sides for armorer... But you can look at the recipes http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Ca...rmorer_Recipes and see what you may want to create to make things a little easier on ya... Just remember the more DOH classes you have the cheaper things are going to be to make... However it is a grind and took me a few months to complete them all...

Boy it's a long road for you to even craft the current 2-stars with reasonable success, let alone the new recipes.... You will absolutely need these skills: Byregot's Blessing from CPT 50 (biggest quality move), Hasty Touch and Steady Hands II from CUL 15 and 37 (first one gives quality for no CP but 50% chance, the other raises your success rate by 30%), Ingenuity from BSM 15 (for any star recipes), Tricks of the Trade from ALC 15 (to recover CP).
I suggest you just stop now if you have no interest in other crafts.

Get all crafting classes to 15 for the cross class skills, makes crafting so much more enjoyable because you have way more control over your crafting success. After that, it's up to you, but having them all at 50 gives you near guaranteed success at HQ'ing everytihng with NQ materials.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Boy it's a long road for you to even craft the current 2-stars with reasonable success, let alone the new recipes.... You will absolutely need these skills: Byregot's Blessing from CPT 50 (biggest quality move), Hasty Touch and Steady Hands II from CUL 15 and 37 (first one gives quality for no CP but 50% chance, the other raises your success rate by 30%), Ingenuity from BSM 15 (for any star recipes), Tricks of the Trade from ALC 15 (to recover CP).
I suggest you just stop now if you have no interest in other crafts.

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Thats not true... As long as he is buying hq mats he will have a really good chance of making hq items... Those things are great for normal mats but not necessary for HQ mats being used... I make all my own stuff and always hq it not using any of those skills...

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

I suggest you just stop now if you have no interest in other crafts.

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Yeah I might. It looks like if I want to be a good Armorer I need

LTW - 50
CPT - 50
CUL - 37
BSM - 15
ACL - 15


at the bare minimum to have a decent shot at doing anything mildly rewarding as a ARM. Well - it'll be a nice little goal to work towards now that I have all my battle classes more or less where I want them to be. Thanks for the responses so far, I'd still appreciate any further advice if there is anything else constructive to add.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Yeah I might. It looks like if I want to be a good Armorer I need

LTW - 50
CPT - 50
CUL - 37
BSM - 15
ACL - 15


at the bare minimum to have a decent shot at doing anything mildly rewarding as a ARM. Well - it'll be a nice little goal to work towards now that I have all my battle classes more or less where I want them to be. Thanks for the responses so far, I'd still appreciate any further advice if there is anything else constructive to add.

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I invested a lot of time into crafting. Here's what you really need:

CRP 50
WVR 50 (some might tell you WVR 15 is enough, your mileage may vary)
LTW 15
BSM 15
CUL 37

LTW - 50
CPT - 50
CUL - 37
BSM - 15

Nice to have:
ALC 50
BSM 50
GSM 50

I've also spent a fair bit on melding my crafting gears. If you plan to, focus on the accessories and belt first, since those are universal among all crafting classes, and so they only have to be melded once. Skills alone aren't enough if you don't have the stats to craft them reliably. You'll notice some 1-star and 2-star crafting recipes have certain craftsmanship/control requirements, which you cannot achieve without melding/food.

It's a real chore for what it's worth to be able to craft 2-star HQ, and the market for it is kinda crashing. You can use HQ mats, and so you won't need to invest as much time, but you should at least get CRP 50, CUL 37, and BSM 15 at least, if you wanna get serious into crafting. That said, don't forget skills cross-class between classes, so you only have to level CRP to 50 once, to use it for the other 7 classes as well.

I agree that your first step should be to get every craft to 15 for the cross-class skills, giving your ARM a much greater skill set. This doesn't take too long as early levels are fast and cheap and I actually found it a lot of fun doing the level 1, 5 and 10 quests for each guild when I was at your stage. Once you have those you may find that this meets your requirements.

The suggestions here for higher level skills are if you want to make 2star items or consistently HQ high level items from NQ materials - which you may or may not be bothered about. Get your 15 skills then take stock. :)

The best part about leveling crafts from 1-15 is that you pretty much never have to even leave the guild. All the ingreds you need for those levels are sold cheaply by the associated Guild shop (I think there might be a couple CUL recipes where you'll need to jog a couple blocks to the Fishmonger - but even there you don't ever have to leave Upper Limsa Limosa). I definitely recommend taking the trouble; the level 15 cross-class skills are quite powerful and useful.

As for what post-15 skills you'll need, I don't feel that I'm an accomplished enough crafter to give advice. What folks have been recommending here sounds good.

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Originally Posted by juniglee

CRP 50, CUL 37, and BSM 15 at least, if you wanna get serious into crafting.

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Originally Posted by NJA

Get your 15 skills then take stock. :)

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

The best part about leveling crafts from 1-15 is that you pretty much never have to even leave the guild.

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Awesome - that's what I will do! I got my ARM to 50 last night and completed the quests to get my little Blue hammer this morning, then bought HQ i55 ARM armor. I stemmed my bleeding coin purse by not buying the i50ish accessories, yet. I'm gonna go ahead and get all my other ones to 15 in my upcoming down-time, then take all of your advice and take stock of what I still want to accomplish - I have two different characters with battle classes to feed Myth and coil gear to after all!

I'm 50 in all DoH, as well as Min and Btn. I've made more than a few ilv70 HQ 2 star items, and only got NQ once, because of a dumb mistake.

For 1 star and above, I pretty much always HAVE TO use: Steady Hand II (cul 37), Waste not (ltw 15), hasty touch (cul 15), manipulation (gsm 15), ingenuity (bsm 15), byregots blessing (crp 50), careful synthesis I or II (wvr 15, or 50).

I'm confident I can have a reasonable success rate making HQ 1 star threads/nuggets/etc from NQ raw materials using only abilities from: Crp 50, Cul 37, Ltw 15, Gsm 15, Bsm 15, Wvr 15. With HQ 1 star mats it's not very hard to make 2 star gear. I made a Vanya Robe last night WITHOUT Byregot's Blessing, which seems to be far and away the most useful crafting ability in the game. I wouldn't want to risk the 30,000gil worth of mats on crafting without it though.

Tricks of the trade (alc 15) and comfort zone (alc 50) really help until you're totally geared up (alc is among the easiest to level). Ingenuity II (bsm 50) can make a huge difference (I can complete the progress bar on 1 star materials in one turn instead of 2). The more of these abilities you hvae the less you depend on RNG, and the more you can take advantage of every situation. I think I could make HQ theads/nuggets/etc from NQ mats, and make HQ 2 star gear without Byregots Blessing, but I'd need many/all of these other abilities and it probably wouldn't be 100%

***I make gear that I can use myself, but post it on the market until i need it hoping for tidy profits. It's paid off so far :)

You will probably want to take CRP to 50 for Byregot's Blessing; you'll want your GSM to be at least 15 for Manipulation (take it 50 for Innovation, which is handy for speeding up the processing of items below the 1* or 2* categories); LTW to 15 for Waste Not (to 50 for Waste Not II, which is miles better); the ALC level 15 ability Tricks of the Trade can save a problematic synthesis; you definitely want CUL to 37 for Hasty Touch and Steady Hand II.

There are obviously other skills, but these will see you able to make just about anything that your heart desires (with a bit of materia on your ARM, that is).

Awesome! I am motivated to get started on all this, although crafting using bums me out after about 90 minutes.

I'm gonna get everything to 15, spend a week or 2 spirit bonding to raise more cash, then make another push at CRP to 50 and CUL to 37 for those essentials. It seems like everything else is nice to have, but not needed to start my serious crafting career.

My main goal is to be able to craft spirit bonding stuff for my tank. And I secretly suspect that there will be i90+ craftable items in 2.2, as well as level 5 materia that will make the end-game crafting stuff much more valuable. Spend me myth on me healer and craft some armor for my tank, as long as it doesn't look like a tin garbage can.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Awesome! I am motivated to get started on all this, although crafting using bums me out after about 90 minutes.

I'm gonna get everything to 15, spend a week or 2 spirit bonding to raise more cash, then make another push at CRP to 50 and CUL to 37 for those essentials. It seems like everything else is nice to have, but not needed to start my serious crafting career.

My main goal is to be able to craft spirit bonding stuff for my tank. And I secretly suspect that there will be i90+ craftable items in 2.2, as well as level 5 materia that will make the end-game crafting stuff much more valuable. Spend me myth on me healer and craft some armor for my tank, as long as it doesn't look like a tin garbage can.

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Glad to see you are motivated! While crafting does not have much purpose in this game, but I still enjoy crafting, because I like the crafting system in this game.

It is pretty easy to level using leves now. Courier leves give a lot now, if you are willing to burn the gil to travel back and forth - just set both destinations as favourite points, and port back and forth. Alternatively, consider doing couriers for multiple classes at once. For example, pick up Level 30 Courier leves from all classes, then go to Quarrymill and hand them all in at once. 7 quests in one trip makes for some great profit.

My leves are almost hitting 100 again, I might look at leveling Armorer next myself too. Leveling also goes a lot easier once you have some cross-class skills.

It depends on how you plan to get spiritbonding done. If you are planning to spiritbond in dungeons, I do not recommend changing your armor set for a lower level set because you need the VIT. I usually do a full set of accessories, which is why to me GSM is the best crafting class you can have if you like spiritbonding. If you are doing chocobo grinding in the overworld, then a full set (including accessories) is better.

Since my main is a full i90 Paladin, this is my setup for spiritbonding in dungeons:
- Replace Valor Coronet with Gambler's Crown
- Replace accessories with spiritbonding accessory set.
- Keep everything else.

I usually sit at 5.3k HP in party, which is good enough to tank all dungeons. If you spiritbond in dungeons, do change back to your proper gear before boss confrontations, as you don't get any EXP/spiritbond for boss fights.

once you start crafting its hard to stop, the crafting system is great. its lots of fun gearing yourself up with HQ stuff and melds. since there isn't a proper endgame content yet, what better activity is there in the game than crafting?