Bring back Thaumaturge Spells!

Printable View

02-04-2014, 03:30 PM
Darkstride

Bring back Thaumaturge Spells!

I was responding to a Dark Knight thread and it had be reminiscing about the old-school Thaumaturge and how different it was from its current incarnation. I really would like to see a class/job that had those skills again. It balanced Umbral/Astral as Dark/Light, and had some serious buffs and debuffs. It got such a seriously wierd overhaul once it became the base class for Black Mage and SE removed all of it's unique abilities. I think Dark Knight would be a good fit, but either way I think it's something that ARR is lacking.

Spell exhibition I found:
http://youtu.be/h1m0B_OTjsk?t=11m27s

Sidenote - I forgot the absurd amount of skills/spells that Conjurer used to have. It was basically Black Mage and White Mage all by itself. It's right before THM in the video.

Also, memories of 1.0 music :-)
02-05-2014, 03:25 AM
paradigmfellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

I was responding to a Dark Knight thread and it had be reminiscing about the old-school Thaumaturge and how different it was from its current incarnation. I really would like to see a class/job that had those skills again. It balanced Umbral/Astral as Dark/Light, and had some serious buffs and debuffs. It got such a seriously wierd overhaul once it became the base class for Black Mage and SE removed all of it's unique abilities. I think Dark Knight would be a good fit, but either way I think it's something that ARR is lacking.

Spell exhibition I found:
http://youtu.be/h1m0B_OTjsk?t=11m27s

Sidenote - I forgot the absurd amount of skills/spells that Conjurer used to have. It was basically Black Mage and White Mage all by itself. It's right before THM in the video.

Also, memories of 1.0 music :-)

they are coming back, but for time mage.

http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...Live_9_155.jpg
02-05-2014, 03:47 AM
Enkidoh

That's not Time Mage, that's just a new pallette swap of the alpine gear worn with one of those stupid sugarloaf hats.

I agree with the OP about seeing a return of missing abilities and spells that were removed during the class redesign in 1.0 - I miss Phalanx, Aegis Boon and Red Lotus for GLA. :(
02-05-2014, 04:11 AM
BobbinT

Casting while moving? Yes, please! lol
02-05-2014, 04:13 AM
Cons

Im sure Thurm had stoneskin when I played before the overhaul and P2P
02-05-2014, 05:38 AM
MrDiezel

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradigmfellow

they are coming back, but for time mage.

http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...Live_9_155.jpg

If that was Time Mage, i'd be quite excited for it. Dont know how relevant they'd be, but that aint my job!
02-05-2014, 07:07 AM
Gamemako

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

Sidenote - I forgot the absurd amount of skills/spells that Conjurer used to have. It was basically Black Mage and White Mage all by itself. It's right before THM in the video.

Also, memories of 1.0 music :-)

Not "basically", it was actively both. It conjured from all of the elements, while THM dealt with astral and umbral abilities. THM was filled with spells which have no present equivalent, like paralyze, dia, phantom dart, and so on. Anyway, 1.0's spells were a balance mess filled with redundant and useless crap. And lol punishing barbs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cons

Im sure Thurm had stoneskin when I played before the overhaul and P2P

I don't think it did. Conjurer always had the elements.
02-05-2014, 05:24 PM
Rhindas

I could see Time Mage being THM's second job since they have time magic already. Swiftcast, Teleport (ish), a Slow ability...who knows...
02-06-2014, 12:56 AM
paradigmfellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

That's not Time Mage, that's just a new pallette swap of the alpine gear worn with one of those stupid sugarloaf hats.

I agree with the OP about seeing a return of missing abilities and spells that were removed during the class redesign in 1.0 - I miss Phalanx, Aegis Boon and Red Lotus for GLA. :(

This is from Final Fantasy Tactics

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/a...time-mage2.jpg

Time Mage is coming
02-08-2014, 04:13 AM
arkived

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradigmfellow

This is from Final Fantasy Tactics

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/a...time-mage2.jpg

Time Mage is coming

I'm willing to bet its just a gear set for BLM in reference to the Time Mage from FFT
02-08-2014, 04:23 AM
Tanama

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradigmfellow

they are coming back, but for time mage.

http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...Live_9_155.jpg

While I would love to see Time Mage make an appearance in FFXIV:ARR, I am betting that outfit you showed will be a casting or healing set.
02-08-2014, 05:21 AM
Starkbeaumont

I miss the old Thaumaturge (was hoping arcanist would have been like that but sadly not). And their story was much better too. Old conjurer was nice too, being healer and caster at once. this would have been nice to decide between WHM or BLM.

Hopefully we get a similar job in the future though the only one fitting would be Mystic from FFTactics ( http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mystic_%28Tactics%29 or the unique Beowulf version http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/T..._%28Tactics%29 ) and I don't see how this would work with the Tank/Healer/DPS thing we have atm, since it's more a debuff-support class.
02-10-2014, 01:21 PM
Spyrit

Those are red mage spells!
02-10-2014, 08:05 PM
Eidolon

Time mage will already be here now because they will bend space and time to be here once they are released to being here now. So really, you guys just haven't leveled your Time Mage yet. I know mine is already will be am level 50 and I love it.
03-01-2014, 05:04 AM
Roelle

As someone who's been absent during 1.0, I'm really curious. So, was the thaumaturge essentially a mage that juggled light and darkness?

Levelling a THM in ARR feels bizarre and out of place, because the guild treats thaumaturgy not as elemental magic, but rather a source of terrifyingly taboo magic. Evil spellcasters also always THMs, casting shadowy spells at you and summoning intimidating voidsent creatures. And yet the player is the odd one out, flinging fireballs and icicles. It seems like the change from Dark/Light to Ice/Fire is entirely visual and they could have kept 2.0's THM with the morbid Dark/Light aesthetics retained.

Did the devs ever explain why they changed that particular aspect? Was 1.0's THM too dark and morbid for the intended setting?
03-01-2014, 05:17 AM
Gamemako

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roelle

Evil spellcasters also always THMs, casting shadowy spells at you and summoning intimidating voidsent creatures.

Actually, you'll see a powerful summoner do that as well. All of the casters are dabbling in powerful magics -- even White Magic is a forbidden art because its abuse drained the land. Some voidsent like the ahriman use earth spells (conjury) almost exclusively.