When we first saw an interview with Yoshi-P on one of the fan sites back in the winter... (I think it was Core but I obviously can't look it up), Yoshi-P first mentioned Jobs saying he didn't know if they would be jobs or advanced classes....
My friends and I clearly started speculating rampantly...
I know, that is dangerous....
And we all didn't even agree... But the one thing we all had in common was that there would (or "should" I guess is the better word) be at least 2 jobs per class to give players a choice about their class role....
Classes like Pug would have an evasion tank role and a more DD role to choose from...
I don't know, we were stupid to speculate so wildly... but there is a chance this will happen eventually anyway....
Do any of you think more jobs will come out down the line for the existing classes? or will New Jobs need new classes to unlock them?
Lastly... we also thought it would be awesome if multiple classes were needed to unlock certain jobs.... At odd levels too Like 36 Glad, 30 Sentinel and 20 Conj for Palladin (With Glad being the main class that influences the weapon type)
or A mage that needed Thaum to 36 and Conj to 30 That was the ultimate debuffer/enfeebler
BTW, I use 36, 30 and 20 because these are when the class quests are available and kind of represent milestones (Yard-stones?!?!?!?!?) in the class development
What about Glad to 36, Pug to 30 and Archer to 20 for a dagger only Thief
the only problem with that is many jobs require swords and so Glad would get more love than the rest of the classes and thats not really Ideal.. I guess
What do you guys think?
Jobs talk
Printable View
-
06-23-2011, 01:20 AMRydinJobs talk
-
06-23-2011, 01:25 AMChinook
Multiple jobs leading to multiple roles per class would definitely be great to have.
Same thing for FFT style job unlocking.
Just FYI:
A dev offered to take our questions to the Dev team about jobs on the French forums.
We pretty much all asked about the possibility to have multiple jobs per class, and we were told that he could not give any info at the moment. -
06-23-2011, 01:44 AMOscillate_Wildly
The only draw back would be limiting the amount of jobs to come out in the future by attaching them all to current classes. In theory it'd be good, but they're really just extra skill sets are they not? Nothing is stopping a Pug from evasion tanking, and in fact they can be quite good. But the job attached to Pug, which could be monk? Would allow the Pug to deal more damage with attacks that don't rely on evading attacks as it does now.
So in theory, Pug is equipped with the skills that rely on tanking, so the job you unlock would be maybe for more of a DD. Gladiator is a good tank as well, but perhaps as a Paladin you rely less on strength and more on white magic and protection of others as well as yourself?
I don't know, speculation can be fun. :D But if they're being referred to as alternate play styles, I'd kinda like to think that the jobs are covering what the base class can't do well, or enhancing what they should do best. -
06-23-2011, 02:23 AMRydinWell yea.. but Glads can tank now and yet they are coming with Palladin....Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscillate_Wildly
I guess we'll have to wait and see how classes are rebalanced -
06-23-2011, 02:26 AMChardrizard
I believe there will be more jobs for each class in the future, it is not easy to balance a class, let alone 12 classes.
-
06-23-2011, 05:30 AMJericho
I may be being a negative nancy, but I don't think the job system will succeed without multiple jobs per class. At the very least, eventually, in the future.
Bottom line, everyone wants to play a job. They're kinda sick of the classes. The way they have appeared to us so far is that your gladiator will be able to just toggle paladin on and off. That really doesn't seem likely. Everyone will want to stay on their job. Playing a class without the title will become obsolete. Basically, it's just adding an extra step to playing your tank job.
Like I said... I don't want to be negative... It just seems logical that the only reason to toggle your job on and off is so you can toggle a 2nd job on or off. Once the mechanics are in their, throwing another job onto a class with different stats, abilities, limits, whatever, should be pretty easy.
Try not to think of it too much in ffxi terms, because you'll start thinking swords will get the most love, as stated above... But... You know, maybe blue mages will come in 4 expansions, and they'll use whips, along with puppetmasters. Who knows. Those weapons don't have to carry over.
An old discussion talked about limiting 2 jobs per class and how that could be possible, and came up with some pretty good theories, all adjusting the way the class is equipped. I can't remember the thread anymore, but it went something like:
GLD -> Pld and Drk, drk allows dual wield of the swords.
PUG -> Mnk and Thf, the types of H2H weapons were divided between the two
MRD -> War and Viking?, introduced 1 handed axes, allowed sentinel to be equipped
LNC -> Drg and Dnc or Pup, blunt spears (so poles) could be introduced as a lancer weapon, used by a dancer or pup
And so on. I just think this could still be possible in the future based off the information Yoshi has released. I'm trying to keep my hopes medium though. Who knows. -
06-23-2011, 05:34 AMRydinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
Thats exactly what I want to see happen...
thats why speculation is so dangerous.. If it doesn't end up like this.. there will be much disappointment and sadness.... -
06-23-2011, 05:43 AMObeiKinstar
They already said
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
-
06-23-2011, 05:46 AMRydin
Yea... I just was reacting to the "Possibility of having multiple jobs per class"
-
06-23-2011, 05:48 AMObeiKinstarThey should implement, 1 to 1 is boringQuote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
Stop taking away our freedom of chioce
and remove the stupid (!) above everyones heads -
06-23-2011, 07:38 AMAlexiaKidd
I believe it will be 1 Class to 1 Job for unlocks BUT I am hoping that each Job can use more than 1 Class so that they are not tied to 1 weapon type.
If each class unlocked more than 1 Job and Classes are tied to Job for their Level then that would mean for example if GLA unlocked PLD and DRK as somebody suggested then if you solely Levelled GLA using the PLD Job then you would also have a capped DRK without even using it. If down the line they also added RDM to GLA then that would also be capped. It is for this reason I can not see them allowing more than 1 Job to be unlocked per Class.
Now that shouldn't mean that each Job is locked to one Class/Weapon type though. So say the GLA unlocked PLD but later on they released a new Class for G.Sword then the PLD should be allowed to equip that G.Sword/Class and change to a more DPS role when straight up tanking is not needed.
It all seems a bit confusing when I read that back but it makes sense in my head somehow lol -
06-24-2011, 12:59 AMJerichoI'm not TOO worried about that.. People are going to gravitate to the weapon that their job excels with... Pld / Archer... Everyone wants to know that they can do it, but nobody will do it. If it's available, there will be too many limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
This though, I kinda forgot about. Slightly disappointed. The only way that could work would be if the two jobs are similar enough to not merit needing to level them both and learn them individually. Pld and Drk would have to both be tanks in different ways... Mrd and Vkg could be similar... If they added poles under lances and gave em to pups, both drg and pup could be similar, both controlling a pet slightly differently. I guess. Blm and Whm both using magic, just... On a different set of targets... *sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
My favorite idea (useless now because its been decided and beginning to be implemented, but still fun to share) even split into 4 easy to follow steps to help the development team:
Step 1: Adjust classes for divisible weapon types.
- GLA loses daggers (just change name), gains 2 handed swords
- MRD gains 1 handed axes
- PUG might be divisible enough already
- LNC gains blunt poles
- ARC gains crossbows
- CON finished
- THM finished
Step 2: Adjust physical levels
- Remove rank bonuses, all calculations are based of physical level.
- Class rank becomes Job level, Physical level becomes class rank.
- Swap skill points and EXP on monster defeat, adjust skill point requirements to match previous physical levels.
- Finish balancing point allotment, adjust stat calculations and formulae.
Step 3: Implement job mechanics
- Once job a job is unlocked, it is automatically equipped. Once 2nd is unlocked, they are switchable.
- Job levels share a common Class rank, that works like the physical level did, except... Fixed.
- When switching jobs, 2nd job on same rank gets to keep the boosted rank as a small benefit.
- Balance balance balance balance.
- Rank earns WS's and Spells, Level earns JSA's and Traits.
Step 4: Implement jobs/quests.
- GLA unlocks Pld (Sword/Shield) and Drk (G.Sword). Both magic users.
- MRD unlocks War (G.Axe) and Vkg (Axe(s)). Both raw damage and intimidation.
- PUG unlocks Mnk (Cesti-type) and Thf (Claw-type). Both excel in blocking/dodging.
- LNC unlocks Drg (Spears) and Pup (Poles). Both have a pet.
- ARC unlocks Rng (Bows) and Tracker (Crossbows). Both...are...ranged?
- CON unlocks Blm (Staves) and Whm (Radicals?). Enough said.
- THM unlocks RDM (Scepters) and Time Mage (Whatever those things are called). Enhancers/debuffers.
Like I said, useless now, but still fun to think about. At least for me. Woulda been great, in my opinion. -
06-24-2011, 08:04 AMArasiel
I want this to be a turn around so bad. I think changing the classes to reflect more traditional ones is best idea ever. However, there is a huge pot hole. You have preset classes and a years worth of diehard FF players who are unwilling to accept thanks for the longest Open Beta. <Presses Reset Button>. Fresh start for everyone! lol jk but seriously if you go advanced job you still have an older flawed system. From what I gather classes such as Paladin, Monk, Thief, ect.. will have their own unique skills that no one else can obtain unless you choose the pregen archetype. Kinda makes me think of how Champions Online is with open power system and a Archetype system. Just the Archetypes are more enticing since they have things no one else can get. Such as you can only get "Steal" if your a Thief. I also not totaly sold on cross classing at all. I think if you want a dps who can use cure type magic then vote up a Mystic Knight or Dancer. Dont be like Thief with Cure gogo.