A letter to all newbie out-there.Please stop being "fake" pro!!!

I am a Veteran player. I have most of all available jobs to 50 but Warrior and White mage. I have cleared most of the end game content, save for Coil T5 and Ifirt Ex, as various roles, from Tank, Caster Dps, Melee DPS as well as Healer. While i am not saying I fully understand everything about the game but I am confident to having a firm solid basic and some advanced knowledge.

Newbie, I prefer to someone who has no job yet to lv 50.

To melee DPS: I have both Monk and Dragoon to 50,so I have a basic knowledge how both class's skill required direction to have maximum effect. Now as a Tank, being a Maurauder lv 24 on top of it, you have to understand that my job is to holding aggro in the most effective way with the least resources spent. Unlike Paladin who has Flash which affect all mobs around him in 360 degree as long as they are close enough,I ,Marauder,as low level, only have Overpower as AOE threat generate tool, and it only affects in cone shape in front of me. That means, if a pack of mobs is scattered, I have to do a few spin around at the start to make sure Overpower connects them all to establish proper threat. I always ask the DPS to go nut with no holding back, however that does not mean you have to jump the big gun right at the start. When I do the tanking, unlike others to mark the target and such and being the one who control which to attack first, I am very flexible by allowing DPS to pick whatever target they want and tank accordingly. So far, i have no trouble by doing so and I received a lot of commendation for that.

Now, while I do understand that melee has the disadvantage of relying on direction to deal maximum damage, Monk relies more than Dragoon, at least not until you are lv 30 and above, as a Tank, I will do what it takes to protect the rest of the party from the mobs, even if it means that I have to reposition them here and then. i am doing my best to make the life of the rest of the party easier, meanwhile, you can also help me making my job easier by not throwing your insult around when you miss the addition effect or potency for not being in the correct position because I am in the middle of grasping all of their attention or wait for me until I finish my job.I assure you by using your Dots skill or using your normal combo which does not require postion or wait for 1-2 sec will not make your DPS drop from awesome to rubbish. It is not the matter of life and death when you miss your optimal effect on Trash Mobs, but it will be when these mobs start coming after you or healer. And when it happens, the first thing coming will be "Tank sucks,noob,...etc", and I will be the one to be flamed at, no one else. I have zero tolerance to those who ask me to work extra harder,so that they can slack off by sitting on one place and spam 1 skill mindless with the risk of not doing my job properly, especially not from any of those newbie who does not even get to the end-game content. I will and always will left if I meet those kinds and it is your loss, not mine. Sure I will get penalty by leaving but as being a Veteran player, I have much more things to do while waiting for my penalty goes off plus I have the luxury of instatnt queue. On the contrary, you DPS usually has to wait a long time to get a pop plus if you keep that attitude up, you will be the only one suffer later on.

I am saying this not as a Tank, I can be all high and mighty but as a Veteran player want to give you an advice : "It is ok if you are new,it is ok for not knowing but it is not ok for you, as new, acting as you understand fully well how the game works, your job, being arrogant and starting to insult when things not going your way".

To Healer : Most of people, they expect the Tank to be the leader of the team and have a smooth run without many wiping. And to be able to do that, the Tank has a good knowledge of the dungeon the team is running. Whenever, we are able to rush through the boss without too much concern about the side mechanic, the Tank will suggest to do so and would love to have everyone cooperation to make the run a nice and smooth run.

For instance: The Fire Sprite in Hatali, it is easy to burn down the boss without worrying much about the AOE when the fire minions get to the Flame. With one or two Medica as Conjurer, you can keep the whole party up without worry a thing about being chased by boss or the adds. Now with that being said, Healer should not go chase after the adds, DPS them down by themselves and let the whole party wiped because the Healer forget to heal the party. When the Tank suggest that, Medica is safe to use in that situation and more efficiency, the Healer should not do and spam nothing but Medica for the rest of the run, just to prove that Medical can pull threat of the Tank (though it still requires 5 Medica Spam to get the mobs come after you) nor let the Tank die for not healing and laugh for being undergeared Tank. What wrong with having ilv 20 Gear to run a lv 20 Dun like Hatali while the Healer is in the lv 15 Item himself?

Furthermore, you are a Healer, your job is to Heal the party, not to DPS, and so focus that the Tank died because you forget to heal then flaming on the Tank for not doing his job. If you think you love DPS that much ,why choose a Conjurer to start with? I just don't understand. Sure you can DPS but only when it is safe to do so and only when you think you can still doing a proper healing while doing extra DPS.

Being a Healer, your main priority is Healing, not DPS, not tanking. And if you are good at it, you are a Good healer and be able to DPS is a bonus and we sure love you for that. Otherwise, please only focus on healing.

To the person who hasn't even cleared all the easy content in this game, please don't make a pointless thread with no actual end to the "fake pros".

I realize you're PROBABLY Super Bowl inebriated (I mean, who isnt?), but seriously, finish your post before putting it up next time.

This won't end well.

LOL at the intentional capitalization of the word "veteran"

And since when having all jobs at 50 = pro, veteran, seasoned player? :confused:

This is really hard to read. I gave up about halfway through. OP, it wasn't a good idea to post this.

read the first three sentence, told me he hasnt downed t5 and ifrit ex.

that veteran player doe.

I could not get through all that either...I was like, what???? Come on man...what the heck really.

All 50 job = Jack of all trades, Master of None. :)

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Now as a Tank, being a Maurauder lv 24... ,I ,Marauder,as low level, only have Overpower as AOE threat generate tool, and it only affects in cone shape in front of me.

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I think he embarrassed himself enough by acting like a pro and then saying, on a marauder he doesn't have an AOE tool. If he has PLD unlocked (since he "says" he has everything at 50 but WAR and WHM), he clearly should be using Flash as well as OP. I am by no means a pro, I have a real life. But if there is something I know about, I help the best I can, not go Noob Flaming on the forums. Time to learn the game yourself. Go pro go.

Veteran is used to refer someone who has more experience than others in one field.. I did not use the word "Hardcore" nor "Season" because I am neither. English is not my native language, so if you have a better word to use to describe my status, feel free to contribute.

And by having all class to 50, what does it make me? A newbie?Certainly not but it does say something about my knowledge regarding the job/class.

My apologise for not completing my post before putting up. First, I typed this while I was in lunch break and it was a busy day. Second, I typed it on my Ipad and my browser constant crashed, so I save it for later edit. Feel free to come back and check out the rest if you want to.


It is hard to read because the wall of text? I will make it to a better form when i have a chance and in front of my computer. Very sorry about that.

So by not yet clearing T5 and Ifirt EX certainly make you a newbie but not an experienced player? Do I have the knowledge to complete the content?Maybe. Do I have the resource to finish it? No. Considering I am not playing during America/US prime time, rather the midnight time in those countries. Then again, English is not my native language, so I could not find a better word to describe my status? If you have a better form,feel free to correct me. Also I am talking about earlier content here, what is that have to do with beating T5 and Ifirt EX? My aim is those who has not yet reached the end game content but still rather new themselves, so why mention those?

It is not a good idea to pose this, I agree but by any chance, the post changes the mindset of 1 new player in hundreds people reading the post, that I feel it worth it.

Wall of Text hurts the eyes!

TL;DR

Can any1 say Paragraph?

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Originally Posted by Tinoris

I think he embarrassed himself enough by acting like a pro and then saying, on a marauder he doesn't have an AOE tool. If he has PLD unlocked (since he "says" you have everything at 50 but WAR and WHM), he clearly should be using Flash as well as OP. I am by no means a pro, I have a real life. But if there is something I know about, I help the best I can, not go Noob Flaming on the forums. Time to learn the game yourself. Go pro go.

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I never said that Marauder does not have AOE tool? I said that Overpower is the tool we have that only affects in cone shape, unlike Flash which is an Circular AOE. Please re-read my post. I do have Flash myself, however, as a lv 24 Marauder, how many time can you use Flash? 3,4? before you run out of mana? If you have something to share, please do because right now, I do not see any alternative play. And also, I never said myself as a pro, I used Veteran,and did mention I am no pro. So please don't jump on me too hasty

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I ,Marauder,as low level, only have Overpower as AOE threat generate tool

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Dude, that is directly from your post.

My advice: First, I am not saying you are an elitist, I have never played with you so I can't say. However, elitist attitudes and elitests in general ruin MMO's. Second, no matter what anyone says, mark targets. That is MMO 101. When you mark targets it's easier for all, mob dies faster, less damage to you, less strain on heals, less time in the dungeon. My first 50 was a WAR, while not great at FFXIV tanking, I was getting better. At low level, especially Haukke Manor, I wanted to punch things, even with flash. When you don't have Defiance as MAR class teamed w/ jobs, it sucks. I had to learn to tab through mobs to hold hate. With Defiance and the 2.2 buffs, almost nothing pulls hate off me, unless they grossly outgear me. I can even pull aggro off a PLD that has several rotations of hate gen. At 30, WAR is definatley better at holding aggro than MAR.

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Lastly I want to say, if your intentions are not to be elitist, then I am sorry for the aggresion. Elitests are what made me quit WoW, and what has put my WAR on hold and me switching to BRD. This game is not even a year old, and there are a lot of people that are still not even where you are progression-wise, just chill out, let people learn, and as a tank you are in the best position to teach. Slow the group down and help them, don't flame them on here.

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veteran
ˈvɛt(ə)r(ə)n/Submit
noun
noun: veteran; plural noun: veterans
1.
a person who has had long experience in a particular field.

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The word veteran itself says one having a long experience in one field and it has a positive meaning (with success).

Your logic of having almost all jobs to 50 = being a veteran of this game is funny because any tom, d1ck or harry can FATE grind all jobs to 50 without knowing nuts about them.

And to be honest, until the past 2 weeks I have only Bard and Dragoon at lvl 50 but I've cleared EX early and farming the weapons for weeks since. Because I only have 2 jobs does it make me less "veteran" than you then? I'm sure there are loads of people with one or two jobs at 50 but they have cleared T5 and EX too.

Anyways, for a Paladin, until he gets to lvl 50 for Circle of Scorn, Flash is the ONLY AoE tool they have too. And yes, if you flash properly, 2 or even 3 flash is what you need to hold group aggro in low level dungeons. You can also rotate your hits among the mobs to continue building hate.

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For instance: The Fire Sprite in Hatali, it is easy to burn down the boss without worrying much about the AOE when the fire minions get to the Flame. With one or two Medica as Conjurer, you can keep the whole party up without worry a thing about being chased by boss or the adds. Now with that being said, Healer should not go chase after the adds, DPS them down by themselves and let the whole party wiped because the Healer forget to heal the party. When the Tank suggest that, Medica is safe to use in that situation and more efficiency, the Healer should not do and spam nothing but Medica for the rest of the run, just to prove that Medical can pull threat of the Tank (though it still requires 5 Medica Spam to get the mobs come after you) nor let the Tank die for not healing and laugh for being undergeared Tank. What wrong with having ilv 20 Gear to run a lv 20 Dun like Hatali while the Healer is in the lv 15 Item himself?

Furthermore, you are a Healer, your job is to Heal the party, not to DPS, and so focus that the Tank died because you forget to heal then flaming on the Tank for not doing his job. If you think you love DPS that much ,why choose a Conjurer to start with? I just don't understand. Sure you can DPS but only when it is safe to do so and only when you think you can still doing a proper healing while doing extra DPS.

Being a Healer, your main priority is Healing, not DPS, not tanking. And if you are good at it, you are a Good healer and be able to DPS is a bonus and we sure love you for that. Otherwise, please only focus on healing

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And TBH, as a CNJ in dungeons THAT LOW, I will fall asleep if I don't throw in some stones. Seriously unless the tank is a total noob, all I do is use cure like every 2 seconds or so? I have plenty of time doing nothing if I don't throw an Aero or Stone, seriously. I think the only time your CNJ needs to struggle and spam cure in Hatali or dungeons that low is when your tank is a total flop and doesn't pop CDs...

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Originally Posted by LionKing

I am a Veteran player

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Thread title: "A letter to all newbie out-there.Please stop being "fake" pro!!!"

I see. Please tell me more, I'm overly interested in your story.

hate to be a tl;dr guy

but could you tell us what the point of this thread was?

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Originally Posted by Delorean

hate to be a tl;dr guy

but could you tell us what the point of this thread was?

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There was none.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

This is really hard to read. I gave up about halfway through. OP, it wasn't a good idea to post this.

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Ditto, but I skimmed. TL;DR version: OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

Edit: Except I do agree with healer not running off to dps adds on Firemane boss @ Halatali, but lol @ that causing this thread.

http://i.imgur.com/fuPIh82.png

I don't know what is going on in this thread.

Please stop these type of (I am high and mightier then you) threads.
If you think the whole world stinks maybe the problem is YOU

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Originally Posted by LionKing

I am a Veteran player. I have most of all available jobs to 50 but Warrior and White mage.

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That does not make you a veteran player. Just because you have almost all jobs at 50 doesn't mean you know all the ins and outs of each jobs. I have lots of 50s too but I don't claim I know it better than the people that play that job primarily. Also, fate grind was so easy to get to 50 that left a lot of people at 50 wondering what the hell to do. And like other people have said, you should've cross-classed Flash. Being a tank doesn't mean you have to be rigid about doing things a certain way. It's about adjusting yourself and work with others to achieve the same goal.

I think the OP's didn't understand what veteran meant. Probably just saying they have a basic understanding of most classes having almost all to 50 would have been more clear. I don't know what the point of this thread is though.

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Originally Posted by LionKing

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Understandable. At the time I read (and replied), it had been an hour and a half since the post was made, so it felt pretty incomplete. But tech issues happen.

The title alone is already a little abrasive, but all of us who've been around for a while know your feeling. But all your points are not very concise, they aren't very clear, and they came across as if you were angry when you wrote them. Both of those factors make it very, very hard for people to read and absorb any good points you've made.

In the future, when you make posts with a serious intention of getting a point across, do your best to keep it simple, short, and mellow.

OP:

you think too much.
you post too much.
you post too much about what you think about.
you think too much about yourself.
go away.

x skills man!!

If anything you come off like a jack of all trades, master of NONE. Having most of your jobs to 50 simply means that you have a lot of time on your hands, it doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically experienced in that job.

I read the whole OP. I still dont know whet you are trying to accomplish. I think you are trying to give advice? If you try to help newer players, the OP title does not mirror your intentions.

I feel bad for using this twice within 2 weeks but it fits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

You are not a veteran player, lol.

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Originally Posted by Ragnirok

I feel bad for using this twice within 2 weeks but it fits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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So much win

Sorry bro, I hate WTM/SCH playing DPS as much as the next guy but this just seemed like you were blowing your own horn all the way through that post

main point I wanna make, if your so "pro" then cross class flash and provoke you muppet

A "veteran pro" would have cleared Ifrit EX, and T5 long ago, and would be farming Titan EX for drops. You sir, OP, are not a vet.

Reminder : It's just a game, it's supposed to be about having fun, not pretending to be something because you cleared T5. I prefer my FC friends than a piece of pixels.

I hope OP is either drunk, confused or trolling... >.>

How old are u OP?
I'm curious

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Originally Posted by LionKing

I am a Veteran player. I have most of all available jobs to 50 but Warrior and White mage. I have cleared most of the end game content, save for Coil T5 and Ifirt Ex

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I had to stop at this point, please refrain from giving..let us call it.."advice" when you haven't completed all end-game content.

Yes i have to reply! Having all jobs to 50 means nothing, just that you spend all your time lvling jobs instead of progressing content. Now if you would of said "Beaten all the content with all my jobs" you could say veteran with no argument there. Im a 50 brd and 50 pld. Have now beaten all the content on both jobs. (including T5). I prefer the term "Elitest"

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Originally Posted by LionKing

so if you have a better word to use to describe my status, feel free to contribute.

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An example of things not to say on these forums...

@OP.

I think next time you try to make a post about helping people, don't try to sound condescending.
It's ok, you don't need to apologize and say silly stuff like "maybe that came out wrong but what I'm trying to do is help and achieve the following".

Look, simple put, "veteran skills" are relative in nature. You might think that you are fantastic while someone else might be looking at the debuffs you apply on a mob and say "wow this dumb mofo has a DOT that has an uptime of 99%, I can literally keep it up in my sleep".

So the moral of this story. Don't belittle other people, if you want to help, provide tips/tricks to help improve gameplay, not start a nonsense topic with the headline "helpful player helping you fake noobz l2p".

It's not smart.