Avoid unlocking Pharos Sirius is a good thing, right?

After taking a brief look at what people say about the said dungeon I have been hesitant to unlock it, because I don't want to use Duty Roulette to end up in a dungeon that is hard for no good reason. I assume I'm doing myself a favor. And from the looks of it, it doesn't look like Square has any intentions of nerfing this dungeon (unless I'm missing something), therefore I will keep the quest unfinished.

Hmm my first time doing Pharos Sirius is siriusly a nightmare lol, but its funny to find out the mechanism too. I did it several times through duty roulette and all passed. It is not that difficult, and is easy if everyone knows their job. :)

After I unlocked it, my very first run was with 3 other members of my FC. We were all going in completely blind to the mechanics, looking to have fun and figure the dungeon out. It sure was a toughy, but we had a blast nonetheless.

Now, on the note you're probably asking about; my experiences with this dungeon through the duty roulette? Most have been horrible, with runs that take longer than an hour. The dungeon itself is pretty fun, and when everybody knows what they're doing, it's fairly easy. But, most of my experiences with randoms with this dungeon have been bad.

Yeah I can see unlocking it just for the experience of doing it, but when you have to pug randoms in duty roulette in something that requires extensive teamwork to get the same amount of rewards as the easier ones, I could see that becoming bothersome.

I don't even think Pharos is the most difficult of the new dungeons introduced; IMO that award goes to Copperbell. I've still at least won most of my Pharos roulette runs (some of which have been a total breeze without even any deaths), whereas my win rate with Copperbell is significantly lower.

I've heard there are plans to adjust Pharos somehow, whether it be by lowering the difficulty or upping the rewards to match the difficulty (IMO the latter is what should be done, because there are already other dungeons to run if you want something easier)

Really? I find Copperbell Hard to be easier compared to Pharos.

They are making Pharos easier.

pharos is already easy.. we ran it in AF/GC weapons for lols when we were bored one night
if u happen to catch a lot of new players in roulette it may be hard, but almost everyone knows the mechanics by now

my fc mates ran it day 1 blind and we still beat it

I've only done it with pug and so, I've never beaten it. I did get to the last boss the first time I ran it though... every attempt since has failed at the first.

dps just cant pick up adds when I run it

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Originally Posted by Estellios

They are making Pharos easier.

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You kidding me... -.-

I carried a group of fresh 50s in there with my SCH without a single death, how hard is it?

Get a gearset at i47 when you enter the roulette

Get an easypeasy dungeon

Put your normal gear back on

this dungeon isnt as hard as people believe, people just make it hard.......its only really a pain for healers imo.....but its mostly knowing where to stand and proper stunning

Pharaos maybe a "little" harder that Coperbell/Haukke HM's , tho Copperbell & Haukke on speed runs already ;P so soon as they nerf pharaos maybe it will be too lol .

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Get a gearset at i47 when you enter the roulette

Get an easypeasy dungeon

Put your normal gear back on

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Doesn't work. Roulette requires ilvl 48.

Ran Pharos Sirius the first time last night as a healer with DF, it was fairly easy until the final boss Siren. wiped few time just to figure things out.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

You kidding me... -.-

I carried a group of fresh 50s in there with my SCH without a single death, how hard is it?

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It's total hell with a fresh 50 healer. Anyway, they specifically mentioned nerfing Siren who I do think is a bit much difficulty wise. It is rough as a healer and is likely godawful if you don't have a Relic or better as your healing potency is noticeably lower since Siren rides on getting people to full HP in time.

I think they need to increase the cast time on Lunatic Voice, it's too fast for a very-likely-party-wipe move. Also maybe some sort of indicator as to where she is if she goes on the edge of the arena, or better yet a set pattern as to when she goes to the edges. She takes her sweet time getting into position and her move comes out quick so you can just get blindsided.

I agree that the cast time of Lunatic Voice is fast. After 3 Shield Bash she becomes immune to Stun. As soon as I see her pop Lunatic Voice I hit Spirits Within, but this only seems to hit her about 50% of the time before Voice.

Siren isn't just a healer check, its a PT check. DPS needs to down the zombies quickly so the Healer and Tanks don't get grabbed. Healer needs to keep HP top off and Tanks need to watch for Lunatic Voice and avoid getting grabbed.

I had one DF run where the healer kept arguing with all the DPS and basically said flat out "I dont need to move around the room to avoid the zombies, you should be killing them faster" and pretty much didn't move from one spot the entire fight. Even after every wipe, the healer still would not move to dodge. I had to help pick up healing while tanking. We got through it eventually, but it wasnt a fun experience.

Other than that I rather enjoy running Pharos. Especially when I get newbies and I don't mean that sarcastically.

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Originally Posted by Leash

I had one DF run where the healer kept arguing with all the DPS and basically said flat out "I dont need to move around the room to avoid the zombies, you should be killing them faster" and pretty much didn't move from one spot the entire fight. Even after every wipe, the healer still would not move to dodge. I had to help pick up healing while tanking.

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I've found the healer to be the bottleneck of PS. I've ran it a number of times, mostly successfully, but each wipe on Siren has been attributable to a healer. That said, I don't imagine that zone being fun in any way at all on a healing job.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

I've found the healer to be the bottleneck of PS. I've ran it a number of times, mostly successfully, but each wipe on Siren has been attributable to a healer. That said, I don't imagine that zone being fun in any way at all on a healing job.

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Well the fight WAS purposely designed by SE to give healers 90% of the work to do. I mean, every mechanic of it ultimately creates scenarios that, if the healer is just a smidge off in timing, it's a full party wipe. Party-wide healing debuff, individual healing debuff, charming effect that can only be stopped BY healing, constant bleed on tanks that need to be cleansed every 10 seconds, mobs that prevent you from casting...the whole fight is one big "f' you healers." I'm not saying the fight is impossible, I've done it plenty of times, but it does create scenarios in PUG groups (more so when either the tank or DPS are new) in which flames get thrown out towards the healer due to 1 mistake because that 1 mistake can cost the whole fight. This is simply because DPS and Tanks who have never done the fight as a healer have no idea what kind of burden it is if they aren't even attempting to help the healer out in any way. This is especially true for WHM as they don't have any instant heals on-the-go with the aid of the fairy and the use of lustrate to bypass the healing debuff. This means the DPS must kill the crawling mobs because there is less room to run around to avoid them since every heal requires you to stop and cast it (risking getting caught). Everything has a cast time, and everything is on the GCD...if your party isn't supporting you as a WHM, the fight WILL end badly every time.

The problem with Pharos is the ridiculously low ilevel requirement for entry. It's painfully obvious that they never even tried playtesting the dungeon at that level. If they raised the requirement to somewhere around ilvl 65-70, it would be fine.

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Originally Posted by sheepysheepy

Get a gearset at i47 when you enter the roulette

Get an easypeasy dungeon

Put your normal gear back on

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Doesn't work, tried, still got one of the minimum i48+ ones on my 3rd go at trying it.

If you are geared decently this one isn't too much trouble. Two stunners for the end boss helps. I wouldn't take just any randoms through it though.