Whenever i read these request post, i just feel there is a lack of creativities.
Most of the requests are things from and features from directly another MMORPG.
Yes, it will be popular definitely, but that path is what exactly WoW has been following since their beginning.
I think we should just leave it to the dev team for their creation or let's built something more innovation or creativity.
- For example, why do we even need to jump to begin with? It just save your time from going up hill to down hill right?
This can be fix by having characters equip grappling hooks in their throwing slot, so they can auto-climb upward or downward.
- Want to remove fatigue system? Let's fix it, Instead of removing it, your character could go to one of the new theme park and log out there or EAT food to reduce the level of fatigue. Wouldn't it be more fun when your character is tired, you found your character all better after a night of sleep or after taking a bath? or play mini games to reduce fatigue
- Auction house? How about a REAL auction house that have active auction in each city? Wouldn't it be more fun to see NPC up the stage in a special instance shouting out items and banging that hammer against the table? How should it works? Simple, players can leave items to the NPC as part of their day, they set a minimum amount willing to sell (of course, 1 gil or base on the minimum off market wards), every hours auction house should auction a different "category" of item and it should always be different between city, so 3 category will be feature. NPC should also add some "surprises" that isn't contributed by players as well. Then let the bidding start in the old fashion auction house way!
There is always more ways to make a game fun, don't just copy and paste. Innovate them as well!
The lack of creativity: Dev or US?
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03-09-2011, 05:51 AMEiyayaThe lack of creativity: Dev or US?
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03-09-2011, 05:55 AMOstia
Why cant we have jumping ? instead throw a grappling hook and blablabla ? <.<
why do we need to make the game more annoying that it should be, like your AH example, there is nothing good in that idea, why do we need to put 50 roadblocks to just go and do something that should be as easy as go to the AH, search for Y item click buy and be done ? -
03-09-2011, 05:58 AMzaviermhigo
DCUO has an active auction house and it's annoying. 500 concurrent auctions about the same thing. It's the not the U.S., it's when this game was release, there is no lack on ingenuity there's a lack of showing they put any thought into the game when it comes to certain aspects i.e. mage classes and main storyline quests (few and far between). I think if FFXIV had come out now or even lets say 3 months from now it would be much better, I paid to play a week early for a skeleton of a game, have I lost hope? No, and I won't quit the game, the first year of all mmos is rocky.
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03-09-2011, 05:58 AMSonic_the_HedgehogOh no, look who decided to join us. The biggest troll on the FFXIV ZAM forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ostia
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03-09-2011, 06:03 AMHalisstra
Innovation is great when it works.
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03-09-2011, 06:17 AMBlitz0309
Well, lets look at this like the US and the Russians. The US spent tons of money and time making a pen that can write in 0 gravity..
The Russians used a pencil.
Seeing how this game is currently producing no ROI... i think they want to take the fastest way to make the players happy and get their ROI for their work.
They tried to be completely different, the ideas where there, but they didn't test throughly enough. They can waste more time and money trying to be different or they can use the knowledge of a successful MMO and make a game that your average person wants to play that is ff themed.
And a grappling hook? Really?... having to sit through a real auction? have you ever been to an auction? They are the most boring places in the world. -
03-09-2011, 06:38 AMOstiaHey there fanboy, still killing coblyns and dodo's ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog
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03-09-2011, 06:53 AMAbriael
I do think that, more than lack of creativity on the players' side, there's a LOT of lack of the ability to approach a new game with an open mind. This isn't the first game in which I see this.
I see a lot of people that simply can't accept that an original/different feature can sometimes have the potential to be equally good or better than what they're used to.
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03-09-2011, 07:17 AMMishakaiAn open mind is one thing.. Some of the more drastic changes I love.. Market wards, retainers, the armory system, the crafting system..Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Like I stated in another thread though, even with all those differences that are unique to XIV, there is alot missing from the game that really needs to be in any MMO coming out now. I'm not talking about things like a dungeon finder or pvp instances, we're talkin about things like better linkshell management, improvements in mob ai, or features that allow us to interact more closely with the environment. Would I be happier if the linkshell interface was more like WoW's guild interface? You betcha!! Would I be happy if it were an exact copy of WoW's guild interface? Yup. It is better than what we have and it works. No need to be super original when there is something adequate already out there that can be utilized.
There is nothing wrong with being original and different when doing so brings value to the game. There is nothing wrong with "cloning" part of another MMO for use in yours if it fits the purpose (ie Better linkshell interface).
There is plenty different and original in XIV, what we need now is some good ol fashioned MMOness pumped into the game for us to enjoy the different and original. -
03-09-2011, 07:20 AMKrausus
I dont see any reason not to have a jump, if people are worried about bunny hoppers then ask for a jump cooldown or stamina bar consumption from using it.
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03-09-2011, 07:24 AMAbriaelI agree with most you said, but you will see a LOT of people complaining about those thing that you said you love, simply because they stray from the "canon" of post-wow MMORPGs. That's the closed mindedness I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishakai
Of course the game is very far from perfect, it needs more content, more features, more streamlining, more intuitiveness and the original mechanics need to be further polished.
The problem is that many people don't ask for that. What they scream is "Burn this! Burn that! Remove this! Remove that! Implement an AH!"
And when I ask them why they respond "because it works! Don't fix what's not broken!" Yeah, I'm sure it works. That doesn't mean that viable alternatives don't exist, and that viable alternatives, when polished and properly implemented can't be *better* than the "not broken" one.
If developers always went by the "don't fix what's not broken" philosophy, we'd still be playing wow clones in 2020, if a comet doesn't wipe us out sooner than that.
if there's one thing I appliaud to the FFXIV developers is that they *dared*
Some of it may have backfired, but thanks to that we have a base for a MMORPG that's much more interesting, in a future perspective, than anything I've seen since DAOC.
I do. A roegadyn in full armor jumping around looks ridiculous (and that's just an example). Even here, there are valid alternatives. Just increase the level difference a player can climp up/down when walking normally, and you're done. No need to create, sync and implement completely new animations to make people jump and look like fools..Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
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03-09-2011, 07:26 AMWolfie
Sometimes, you have to sacrifice creativity for practicality (and fun).
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03-09-2011, 07:28 AMAbriaelYou assume that creativity and practicality/fun are alternatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Too many seem to use familiarity as a synonim of practicality and fun. It isn't. -
03-09-2011, 07:30 AMVerecundI lol'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ostia
Seriously... it's sad when someone criticizes SE for unnecessarily complicating simple, mundane, and repetitive actions with yet more simple, mundane, and repetitive actions, and is then accused of trolling for simply pointing out obvious said flaw.
Fanbois.
Putting the Eeyore in Eorzea since gamma testing. -
03-09-2011, 07:31 AMdanthemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mishakai
Exactly! Being original and making new things just because you CAN doesn't mean it will be any good. -
03-09-2011, 07:34 AMVesper
Why do people request things that other MMOs have. Well because most of the things we wan't are basic staples of MMOs. SquareEnix made some things different for the sake of being different and looked what happened? Even Yoshi-P came out and admitted things were made different not because they were better but because they wanted to try something different. Then he said that was the wrong approach. It's time to start adding the basics of MMOs.
There is no reason to not do things in a game because WoW did it, or EQ did it or Rift did it. You can take functionality of other passed MMOs, current MMOs and add in your own twists in ADDITION to that and make a unique game. Simply throwing things out the window because someone did it before is moronic.
Let's throw out hit points and magic points, killing monsters, ranking up, traveling across landscapes, starting cities, equipment etc. All these things have been done before, hell WoW did them, that's reason enough to toss em away. Let's have a new MMO and call it black screen, we can all stare at a black screen all day, no other MMO's have that feature. -
03-09-2011, 07:36 AMAbriaelBasic staples of MMOs haven't been basic staples forever. They became basic staples only after someone dared to innovate introducing them. The whole CONCEPT of a MMO has been, at one point, an innovation (that was initially considered idiotic by a large part of the gaming community, by the way).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesper
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03-09-2011, 07:39 AMXzen
What we have now is pretty much on par with an Auction House they just need to fix the crashing. The thing this game suffers from the most is lack of content.
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03-09-2011, 07:41 AMWolfieI think the expression you're looking for is "mutually exclusive". And no, I was not assuming that they're always mutually exclusive. Only sometimes. Sometimes. Key word. Sacrificing practicality should never happen, even if it means sacrificing creativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
And no, I'm not confusing familiarity with practicality either. Just because a practical system happens to be well known does not mean that people are asking for what's familiar. They're asking for what's practical.
You should stop assuming what other people are assuming. :) -
03-09-2011, 07:42 AMAbriaelI would say that adding stability and a centralized search system, it's actually better than an auction house. Auction houses lack a very important element of any realistic/prosperous economy: Impulse purchases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xzen
Also, it's definitely superior in terms of eyecandy and the ability to actually preview the look of a piece of equipment before buying it.
Just because a familiar system is practical, doesn't mean that an alternative system cannot be practical as well (or more) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie