Please fix Skill Speed.

It could be one of the most fun stats but instead its just annoying. No one likes its... no one wants it... everyone tries to get rid of it. If you want proof just check market prices for quickarm materia. The only materia that sells for less is elemental and str/dex/int/mnd.

All that needs to be done is add a small TP bonus with SS.

With the next tier of gear there is a good chance monks are going to be having major issues because of SS. I don't think the other physical damage jobs will be really happy with it. Any new ilvl increases after 2.2 will really suck.

Here's how to fix Skill speed:

Red Mage/White Mage/Scholar/Green Mage/Blue Mage/Geomancer form of Haste.

Done. Otherwise yoshi seems to be against a "true" type of haste because in XI it was a main TP stat, much like here the main stat plenty go for is crit (DRG/SCH/WAR/Some WHMs etc.)

unless there's a skill cap, I'm sure skill speed is incredibly useful after they raise the level cap. When we talk about skill speed/spell speed, we are talking about 1/x where x is approaching to 0.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Here's how to fix Skill speed:

Red Mage/White Mage/Scholar/Green Mage/Blue Mage/Geomancer form of Haste.

Done. Otherwise yoshi seems to be against a "true" type of haste because in XI it was a main TP stat, much like here the main stat plenty go for is crit (DRG/SCH/WAR/Some WHMs etc.)

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It was my understanding DET was the go to stat for most classes.

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Originally Posted by Umero

unless there's a skill cap, I'm sure skill speed is incredibly useful after they raise the level cap. When we talk about skill speed/spell speed, we are talking about 1/x where x is approaching to 0.

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They're going to have to raise it awfully high to make spell speed useful. At level 50 my Stone I is sitting at 2.43 Cast/Re-Cast. When I was level 1 it was 2.5. That is a 0.0014s reduction per level. Extrapolation says I'll need to be level 358 before I make it under 2 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Here's how to fix Skill speed:

Red Mage/White Mage/Scholar/Green Mage/Blue Mage/Geomancer form of Haste.

Done. Otherwise yoshi seems to be against a "true" type of haste because in XI it was a main TP stat, much like here the main stat plenty go for is crit (DRG/SCH/WAR/Some WHMs etc.)

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Haste would be nice for short fights with time to recover TP in between, but for drawn out fights it would just burn out the TP of tanks, and physical dps would run out a little bit later due to invigorate. But blms have an endless MP pool, so they would destroy all other dps for long fights.

I'd be ok with Skill Speed increasing TP regen speed. And GL further boosts it >_> i hate having to rely on a cross class skill in order to function properly in raids >_<

If it was actually haste and not just skill speed, meaning it affected auto attacks, then it wouldn't be so bad even without a bonus to TP regen

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

They're going to have to raise it awfully high to make spell speed useful. At level 50 my Stone I is sitting at 2.43 Cast/Re-Cast. When I was level 1 it was 2.5. That is a 0.0014s reduction per level. Extrapolation says I'll need to be level 358 before I make it under 2 seconds.

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That's not how skill speed/spell speed works. Your 341 base value at level 50 does absolutely nothing, after that every ~25 you add reduces GCD and casting times by 1%. As an example you need around 590 to get 10% off.

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

They're going to have to raise it awfully high to make spell speed useful. At level 50 my Stone I is sitting at 2.43 Cast/Re-Cast. When I was level 1 it was 2.5. That is a 0.0014s reduction per level. Extrapolation says I'll need to be level 358 before I make it under 2 seconds.

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That's assuming it's linear - if it functions anything remotely like Haste did in FFXI, then it will actually get more potent the more you have.

I already made a thread about this a few days ago but basically I feel what we need to do is go back to how TP worked originally (screw PvP) and have it build up with auto-attacks, and have skill speed affect your auto-attack speed (which would be a massive boost for MNK & WAR).


Someone also suggested having TP recover proportionate to your SS, like how MP does with Piety but I'd rather it buff AA speed since that way it still technically increases the rate you fire off your WS at, but also directly increases your dps rather than artificially inflating it through more TP spam.

Skill speed ends up making little sense with static TP as we have it now, compared to the TP systems of XI and 1.0.. yay I can attack faster, yay I run out of TP (faster), yay I twiddle my thumbs for a bit..

skill speed is fine as it is... dont know why people want more skill/spell speed when we dont even have a "final" max level yet.... for all we know by lv 99 or whatever the final max level will be we will have 1s gcd...

Skill/Spell speed definitely needs some dev attention! Currently its very far behind Crit and Det for most classes.

this is a vertical progression mmo there is no Max.level and skill speed probably has diminishing returns on it to prevent the ultra lowering of skill speeed

I quite like S.Speed as it is, no need to buff it up. It actually allow you to do more actions in X timeframe and that alone is quite good, but for that well you need to be really, really on your A game, for multiple reasons !

Overall im feelin that S Speed is just not well used by absolutely everyone, because its actually the hardest component to master, the variation of skill / spell speed every 30 seconds with Selene up. But, when its actually used in a perfect timing regardin patterns of bosses / events, it does make a difference.

I thought MNKs loved skillspeed (and det)? o.0

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I thought MNKs loved skillspeed (and det)? o.0

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Det yes, skill speed... It's a love/hate relationship, we love the extra moves we can do, we hate the fact that it does nothing for our auto-attacks(the bulk of our damage) and that it literally makes us blow through TP even faster, and invig just isn't enough...

most people will get down to about a 2.40 skill speed you have to do 24 skills before you will get another extra attack. its returns are pretty paltry and pales.in comparison to det and crit

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Overall im feelin that S Speed is just not well used by absolutely everyone, because its actually the hardest component to master, the variation of skill / spell speed every 30 seconds with Selene up. But, when its actually used in a perfect timing regardin patterns of bosses / events, it does make a difference.

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From a DRG point of view, you are bound to the Heavy Thurst buff, Phlebotomize DoT and Disembowel debuff timers. Even if you went heavy on Skill Speed and got an extra ability in within a perfect rotation, what ability would that be? Most of DRGs abilities are tied to combos. Then we have to take into account that the more skill speed you get, the faster you bleed TP and at a certain point even Invigorate won't be available when you need it. Most jobs are at a similar position. Skill speed should affect auto-attack and TP regen to be more useful.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I thought MNKs loved skillspeed (and det)? o.0

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No. SS doesn't effect auto attacks and it increases the rate we run out of TP which is already really fast. Drg, Brd and War have similar issues with SS. Its just not as bad for them. Never really had the issue with pld but it doesn't make it a good stat for them so yeah.

"I like skill speed" does not make skill speed good. It just means you think it is.

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Originally Posted by Armond

It was my understanding DET was the go to stat for most classes.

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Det is useless, Crit is much better to itemize for.

EDIT: I should probably clarify just in case of a misunderstanding. I don't mean Det is useless as a stat, I mean it's useless to itemize for as a main stat. The equipment just doesn't give enough of it and it's much easier to get crit without sacrificing other stats.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Det is useless, Crit is much better to itemize for.

EDIT: I should probably clarify just in case of a misunderstanding. I don't mean Det is useless as a stat, I mean it's useless to itemize for as a main stat. The equipment just doesn't give enough of it and it's much easier to get crit without sacrificing other stats.

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/sigh

People need to read more.