Binding Coil of Bahamut T1 - Query of Strategies

So im just here, slowly gearing up my tank in Crystal Tower gear due to always not being able to enter Coil. Either by the elitists PFs, or people just not wanting people who havent done it yet which leaves the unexperienced to to get the scraps of everything else, and im getting pretty sick of it.

So im just looking around for videos on YT, guides on how do the bosses, the ADS and the boss. I did a practice run with a PuG, all of us new to try and see what can we do. We got murdered, to put it lightly lol

While im looking for guides, I find an interesting one called the burn strategy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUkkXWBvpeI

If I was better geared and had a well coordinated team, I could try this but sadly, too much in the blind. One thing is to see someone else, another is being unable to put it to practice.

But beside the less risky slime strategy and this burn strategy, and the "supposedly better" Enrage strategy for the later Turns, any other tips and tricks are there for this turn or others in general?

There really are only two ways to do this fight "under geared" as most would say. But in CT/darklight you are able to use the burn strategy (burn 1 snake to 5% then kill other while ignoring slimes) but its very unlikely you will be successful due to tank gear (may be possible with CT gear).

When we first started doing Coil in only darklight gear we used the slime method and dedicated two people to drag slimes to each snake. It took much longer but it was the only way with our dps to kill it.

We are all i86+ now and are even able to tank 8 stacks on the snakes now and just use one tank.

One strat is to ignore everything and have the tank run around in a circle having the WHM spam Stoneskin and SCH adlo. Have all ranged dps just dps the one snakr and if you get too much aggro kill yourself on tail swipe and rez them.

Hope this helps!

Make sure you're capping your Myth weekly so you can get some of that gear as well. Coil drops can be pretty stingy.

If you don't overgear the encounters you probably will have to do them the conventional way. In Turn 1, for ADS you'll want to kill the first 2 adds then focus on ADS, whereas high ilvl groups can just ignore the adds outright and burn down ADS. For Caduceus you'll have to use the slimes to maintain the stacking buffs, whereas higher ilvl groups can just nuke them down without worrying about slimes, or just have them remerge.

For what it's worth they're putting Turns 1-5 in DF in March, so if you can't beat it by then there's always that.

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Originally Posted by Aikota

There really are only two ways to do this fight "under geared" as most would say. But in CT/darklight you are able to use the burn strategy (burn 1 snake to 5% then kill other while ignoring slimes) but its very unlikely you will be successful due to tank gear (may be possible with CT gear).

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Well, we did this in mostly Dark Light gear and Relic weapons (+ the odd myth piece here and there on some of our party members) and only fed slimes up until the split. Then our tanks separated both snakes and we assigned 2 DPS per snake to bring them down relatively equally. When HP on one of the snakes was low enough, we used LB2 to kill it. The other tank than just popped Hallowed Ground, while all of the DPS focussed on burning the last snake down. If it wasn't dead by the time HG expired, we had our tank kite in big circles around the ranged DPS and healers to buy him some time. In the beginning we had to feed 2 slimes prior to split, due to being "undergeared". Nowadays we just feed 1 slime, drag them apart after the split and burn both down equally, DPS is usually fast enough so we don't need any LB or Hallowed Ground.

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Originally Posted by Aikota

One strat is to ignore everything and have the tank run around in a circle having the WHM spam Stoneskin and SCH adlo. Have all ranged dps just dps the one snakr and if you get too much aggro kill yourself on tail swipe and rez them.

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Wow, that's what you call a "strat"?

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Originally Posted by ArkAurelius

... the "supposedly better" Enrage strategy for the later Turns.

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It's not actually "better" (and most certainly not faster) ... it's easier, because it takes advantage of a design flaw to circumvent all of the regular mechanics of this encounter, basically turning it into one noob-friendly autopilot EZ-Mode tank and spank feast. I'll advise against using this method if you want to learn how to deal with game mechanics in a proper way rather than just cheating your way around them for the sake of grabbing loots.

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

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bahaha, i love these posts. The enrage tactic is not cheating and its not a design flaw. If the devs wanted it to actually kill you they would have made it so. The devs actually would have had to plan it to be healable with 2 geared healers or 3 semi geared healers. I just LOL when these are posted when 90% of the playerbase used the WP/AK speed runs to autopilot getting myth caps...

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

Wow, that's what you call a "strat"?

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Hahahahaha well we only did that once due to our healer d/CD and one tank died. Didnt feel like restarting.

At max gear you don't even have to kite actually...we just let the snake combine and tank it normally, avoiding spawning all slime and trigger tail whip as much as possible. 8 stacks is very much healable when everyone is geared out.

Keep hope alive man. Your best bet is to look for a coil static on your server through public channels of communication. Be honest that you're new, and are struggling to get enough experience with the content through simple pug's. An eloquent advertisement will do wonders for you, as it'll help demonstrate that you're intelligent (which bodes well for being able to understand and take constructive criticism to heart). You can fix lack of experience, as well as lack of gear, and many seasoned raiders know this and are happy to get you up to speed if it means they have somebody who will stick around to help down future content and do so with a firm grasp of their class.

Ark, I just unlocked Coil today, and I've been itching to try it myself. Videos and strat guides are great and all, but nothing beats the first hand experience. (call me overgeared/overachieving but I beat Titan HM with a random group on the 4th try, all from half-watching a video and honestly, just being good at dodging. The rest was the basics). If I could, I'd totally startup a learning group with you. I would still encourage you to try, and like others here said, be honest that you're new. And that you WANT to learn. If they don't want to take time to teach you, that's their right, yes. But that's another group that's going to be wasting their time shouting in Revenant's Toll for members to join their group for hours.

Cant watch that video but put simply.. lowgear = feed slimes whenever you can, propergear = feed a few at the start and avoid the rest

Anyone that avoids all slimes and solo-tanks or whatever is probably fully geared and playing with fc/friends trying to make it fun, leave that stuff for later, not for inexperienced pugs

If you need to feed slimes after the split, you're in full i55 gear or playing with bad players (which is likely, because 99% of you can't even DPS correctly).

We were one of the first groups to down T1, in a mixture of i55 and i70, and we only fed slimes until they split. After split, we stopped feeding and rotated cooldowns on the tank.
Burn down one snake, limit break the other, and then kite it around in circles until you win.
It's very possible (and easy) without excessive gear.

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Originally Posted by Yenn

If you need to feed slimes after the split, you're in full i55 gear or playing with bad players (which is likely, because 99% of you can't even DPS correctly).

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You know, you were fine up to this point. Do you talk to people like this in the real world? Cause I don't imagine that type of condescending attitude would be very well received. And honestly, if you believe the player base of this game is THAT bad, why are you playing it? I'm sure there are other, more hardcore MMOs "worthy" and "deserving" of one so talented as yourself. . .

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

You know, you were fine up to this point. Do you talk to people like this in the real world? Cause I don't imagine that type of condescending attitude would be very well received. And honestly, if you believe the player base of this game is THAT bad, why are you playing it? I'm sure there are other, more hardcore MMOs "worthy" and "deserving" of one so talented as yourself. . .

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There's nothing wrong with pointing out a wide problem. Most of you cannot DPS correctly, period.
Do you expect nobody to call you out when you do something wrong for months at a time in the real world, without trying to fix the problem?
If having it pointed out hurts your feelings, fix it and nobody will have a reason to tell you that your DPS is bad? I don't know what to say.

Have you noticed how many duty finder/party finder groups for Extreme Garuda can barely meet the DPS requirement with ilevel 75-80, even though the encounter is intended for i65? There's a reason for that.

At least you get an A for effort in this game. In the real world you just get nothing, at best.

Oh both my DPS my feelings are fine, thanks. I'm personally not bothered by blanket statements that don't apply to me, but in an odd re-application of the point you just made, I'm simply pointing out that not so much what you say, but HOW you say it is, well, wrong. Facts are facts, opinions are opinions, and I'm not debating which one your statement falls under, but would you deny your words are, shall we say unnecessarily sharp? Condemning 99% of the players of a game? Unless you're looking at vast amounts of player data across that broad a range, I doubt you're capable of making that analysis.

Obviously, no, that's not the case. So let's call it what it is: you have both an elitist and negative view of the game. One of the first to beat Turn 1 with low gear? Congrats. I've done tons of things with low gear, simply because I didn't FEEL like switching. Or because I just wanted to see if I could. Most of the time, I could. Where's my prize? No, I haven't noticed that most groups can't meet the DPS requirement for anything, because - honestly - I'm only concerned with whether I can meet it. I would like to think others do too, but I know mileage may vary there. Big picture here is that, no matter how good you may be or how much you might know it in no way validates looking down on the 99% (ha, that's actually kinda funny) or having a nasty attitude about it.

Seriously, if you're THAT good, why not teach people? Nicely, if you can. You lose nothing, and yet, you gain at least one more knowledgeable player that can help you, should the planets ever align and you'd actually need help. And if you or someone else might need that ego boost, you can say that you taught that person everything they know in this game. Sure, it's still a game, but that's a lot more tangible than being that 1% that did it first.

While his post lacks tact, the more I play, the more I find there to be truth in the statement. There are a lot of DPS in this game that don't know what they're doing. Sadly, some DPS players I've encountered in random groups are also stubborn on top of their ignorance.

I had this happen in a Garuda X party recently. We had a 3 bard pick-up group (bad right there, I know), and one of the bards insisted on using Mage's Ballad to prolong Foe Requiem during the first few phases of the fight. We asked him to stop putting up Ballad, pointing out the fact that three bards can easily rotate Foe Requiem without it. Instead of comprehending the point, he argued it and continued to put it up during several attempts, costing the party 20% of his DPS for nothing. Finally, we got him to stop using it, and he got snippy with us other two bards about our own timing for putting Foe Requiem up.

I can't vouch for the quality of other classes, but I see bard after bard that doesn't know what they're doing. Missing DoTs, never playing songs, poor positioning. I still learn things all the time, but it's amazing how many people don't understand some of the fundamentals of their classes (or the game). I don't agree with Yenn's tone, and while his point cannot be backed up statistically by anyone but SE, it's something I'll verify anecdotally that I've encountered with a sad frequency.

Now that, I can understand and agree with. Yes, there are a LOT of players in all classes who make some questionable calls. But I strongly believe that there are just as many who DO know what they're doing within that 99% he so dismissively condemns. Maybe its a server population thing, but for every 1 bad player, I tend to find 3 good. The sad truth is, the big bad wolf mentality really does stop some people from even wanting to do something or learn something.

While that's definitely not new to MMOs, it creates that player gap that is wholly unhealthy for the game's life, and that even goes beyond MMOs. The good become skilled, the bad become dependent, this makes the good/skilled players feel underappreciated and annoyed, and the bad feel entitled and surprisingly, also annoyed. There becomes no room for beginners or errors and hostilities over that become rather open. This eventually leaves a shortage of good players unwilling to teach bad players out of sheer exhaustion/irritation, and a multitude of bad players who are unwilling to learn from good ones with nasty attitudes. Then you get exceedingly long waits for people to run content that can be just as easily taught to someone geared for it, but lacking the knowledge to put that gear to good use, or worse, people leaving the game because they simply feel like they've hit a glass ceiling.

As for Bards, I'm far from perfect, I miss the occasional song myself, and having originally been a tank, I have to suppress those tendencies, but it's REALLY not that hard to play. Anything can be taught, but would you rather learn by calm guidance or brutal criticism?

Unfortunately, for every good player, I tend to find 20 bad. Well, maybe not all of them are bad-bad per se. Some are simply mediocre, not maximizing effectiveness.

Exactly. And that can be changed. I personally set out to learn proper Bard rotations and how to maximize my DPS, and even still, others (both FC members and the occasional random Bard) gave me pointers as they saw I needed them. And I took it in and only got better. Now, if it had gone something like, "OMFG do u even know how to DPS properly?! What's wrong with everyone who plays this game?!!" I might not have been so receptive to what they had to teach me, if at all. I'm by far no MMO veteran, but the big problem I see is we're too quick to tear down rather than build up.

Also, I'm sorry for getting so very off-topic.

Is there an abundance of tanks on your server or something? I see pf groups sitting forever looking for 2 tanks. Why don't you just join one, explain you've watched videos and researched strat but have never cleared it? This week I pugged turn 1 with a brand new tank. We wiped twice, the second due to a dc, and cleared it the third attempt with no issues. If you mt you just stand in front of the mob and spam your combos. When platform lights up you move to the one next to it that isn't lit, then move back.

The group I pugged had pretty low dps so we dragged 2 slimes, then burned the main add to 5%, burned and limit broke the second until dead, then switched back and finished off the first. I've tried various strats of dragging slimes after split with low dps and it just seemed to make things too complicated. Save your big cooldowns for when he has high stacks. Hollowed at 5. It's an easy fight once you've cleared it.

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Originally Posted by Aikota

One strat is to ignore everything and have the tank run around in a circle having the WHM spam Stoneskin and SCH adlo. Have all ranged dps just dps the one snakr and if you get too much aggro kill yourself on tail swipe and rez them.

Hope this helps!

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What.... The.... Hell



Ok OP this is very simple and as step by step as I can make it

1. MT pulls to 1 of your tank positions (these are different for everyone. take your pick)
2. 1st set of platforms light up. OT and a dps assigned to oozes both spawn an ooze. (we always used me (monk) and our drg with defensive xclass skills but most use bards)
3. dps who spawned ooze feeds as soon as he has dpsed it down
4. OT feeds ooze soon as the 2nd stack is applied

at this point you have to gauge your dps. If you have enough just push the split.. if not (we didn't when we started and AK gear was still good) have the dps spawn a 3rd ooze and feed.

5. split happens (either after 2nd or 3rd stack depending)
6. MAIN TANK moves to 2nd tank position (OT takes MT's place as he is fighting for aggro on a new mob and shouldn't be trying to run a mob across the arena)
7. simply tell your dps to try and balance them. They can see both health bars with the aggro interface and if they can't handle keeping them fairly close while keeping the same dps they would focusing on 1 something is wrong. Your summoners will dot both (dps improvement) your bards will dot both (also an improvement) etc etc. It does nothing but improve your dps. If you have 2 melee have them split up and trigger tail swipes on both to help heals.
8. If your dps/tanking/healing isn't enough to kill them without feeding post split try feeding 1 ooze to each thoughout the split phase... If that doesn't work do 2.. etc etc. If you have a pal and a war you may need to feed the war more than the pal. When we 1st got in we were having me and the drg each feed 2 throughout the duration but only when all our CDs were back up (to allow heals to focus on tanks)


enjoy.


To give you an idea of the gear we were in.

http://galleries.guildlaunch.net/339...2306816Pop.png

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

1. MT pulls to 1 of your tank positions (these are different for everyone. take your pick)
2. 1st set of platforms light up. OT and a dps assigned to oozes both spawn an ooze. (we always used me (monk) and our drg with defensive xclass skills but most use bards)
3. dps who spawned ooze feeds as soon as he has dpsed it down
4. OT feeds ooze soon as the 2nd stack is applied

at this point you have to gauge your dps. If you have enough just push the split.. if not (we didn't when we started and AK gear was still good) have the dps spawn a 3rd ooze and feed.

5. split happens (either after 2nd or 3rd stack depending)
6. MAIN TANK moves to 2nd tank position (OT takes MT's place as he is fighting for aggro on a new mob and shouldn't be trying to run a mob across the arena)
7. simply tell your dps to try and balance them. They can see both health bars with the aggro interface and if they can't handle keeping them fairly close while keeping the same dps they would focusing on 1 something is wrong. Your summoners will dot both (dps improvement) your bards will dot both (also an improvement) etc etc. It does nothing but improve your dps. If you have 2 melee have them split up and trigger tail swipes on both to help heals.
8. If your dps/tanking/healing isn't enough to kill them without feeding post split try feeding 1 ooze to each thoughout the split phase... If that doesn't work do 2.. etc etc. If you have a pal and a war you may need to feed the war more than the pal. When we 1st got in we were having me and the drg each feed 2 throughout the duration but only when all our CDs were back up (to allow heals to focus on tanks)

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This is the exact strategy my group does every week, and it works well.