16-Bit FFXIII recreation published by SE, a Plea

Square-Enix, I believe hundreds of thousands of gamers are calling for a return to the days of old, the glory days of SNES & PSX... before Xbox even existed.

I can tell you, if you started pumping out classic JRPG's with 16-bit sprites like this again... you'd probably make a lot more money off them (accounting also for time & cost-efficiency too) than you would off games like XIII.

Sell them as downloadable indies on PSN & the like, $24.99 or something.

Infuse new life into the classic-bit graphics with your modernized combat-systems & updates for all we care.

I can't tell you how many fans would flip their sh*t if Konami released another true sequel to the Suikoden franchise in their original art-style (I & II)... this trailer you developed is a prime example.

HELL, I bet if you released FFVII's remake in 16-bit, you'd still make millions lol... but also please remake it in modern-age graphics too haha.

I know FFIX especially in 16-bit would do so well.

And probably XII but reimagined as a Tactics-style entry (heck, we already had Balthier in FFT:WotL).

What do you guys think? Should SE release new 16-bit JRPG's like those of old?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/...he-16-bit-days

I watched the video and thought "I would have liked FF13 if it was 16 bit." Nostalgia is powerful. As FF13 currently exists, I never finished because I bored half way through and put it down.

But, the truth is that they have made some 16 bit games. Final Fantasy Dimensions for iOS was pretty good. Crystal Defenders was not a classic FF (tower defense), but also had older style graphics and was unique. We just want the same feelings we had during FF4 or 6, which won't happen. When a game is truly good, like FF9, it can easily be over shadowed because it still isn't good as those we feel nostalgic toward.

I wouldn't say they should make new 16-bit games. Rather, I think they should do the same they did with IX. Go back to their roots with a medieval fantasy setting, perhaps.

Personally, I just miss the feel of the older 16-bit games, but I don't miss a single second of 16-bit graphics. The FF games of old captivated me much more. I don't know if it's because I'm older now, or because the newer games are lacking something that the older ones had... but I remember feeling heartbroken when Aerith died in FFVII. And even in Crisis Core, I KNEW what was going to happen to Zack but it was still powerful. I still think FFVIII has one of the best stories and I loved every second of that game. And when Cecil became a Paladin for my first time, I felt like I just attained God Mode. When Kain betrayed me for HIS first time, I felt like I lost a friend. Many of SE's games don't have that same power they used to have 5-10, even 15 yrs ago. At least not for me.

But hey, if your interested in playing a newer game with an older feel to it, I would suggest Rainbow Moon. It's not 16-bit graphics (the graphics are actually amazing), but it has that old-school feel to it. I didn't put it down for awhile after I bought it. The story isn't the greatest in the world (very cliche), but the battle system was very good, and everything about it made me feel like I was playing one of those mid-late 90s games with the current-gen polish.

seriously what is the hate for XIII?
I get thats its linear and a series of pretty looking corridors mostly, but so was FFX - in fact all the games are linear just the methods of managing/blocking you arent so obvious e.g. the Migdarzolm in VII

I personally loved XIII, it wasnt perfect but it ticked all the FF boxes for me apart from the battle system I was little mixed on that.
I laughed at parts, I cried at the end and I enjoyed the 130hrs I squeezed out (only missing 3 PSN trophies).

Saying you want SE to perduce 16bit games again and that people would be willing to pay $/£24.99 is madness, I nearly balked at paying £10.99 on my Android phone for FFIII last year, maybe the hardcore would pay it but a lot more people wont and neither would the younger generation who never grew up in the 8bit/16bit golden age.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

I wouldn't say they should make new 16-bit games. Rather, I think they should do the same they did with IX. Go back to their roots with a medieval fantasy setting, perhaps.

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That could work, just dont start re-hashing VII (badly, or at least that how it felt to me back then) midway through disk 3 lol.
But seriously i did enjoy IX, loved the art style and character design :)

While I think XII and XIII/XIII-2 were fine games, I do believe it's time to go back to the 1-9 style whether it be retro or more of the PS1. Either way though, the fans will never agree on a new FF; which is why you will never see a FF7 full blown remake.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

While I think XII and XIII/XIII-2 were fine games, I do believe it's time to go back to the 1-9 style whether it be retro or more of the PS1. Either way though, the fans will never agree on a new FF; which is why you will never see a FF7 full blown remake.

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Judging by 15 I don't know if they will ever have this in mind for future titles.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

I wouldn't say they should make new 16-bit games. Rather, I think they should do the same they did with IX. Go back to their roots with a medieval fantasy setting, perhaps.

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http://www.3angrygamers.com/wp-conte...eworld%2B2.jpg

Screenshot from FFXV


Man I want to play Homeworld now.

I laughed harder than I should have when it showed Caius's past with Yuel...

I personally like the 16 bit- 32 bit sprites of the older games to the new ones. Can you imagine cloud strife remastered in hi def when he goes down and pretends to be dressed as a girl to save tifa? That would ruin it for me xD Was wicked in cheap polygon style and 32 bit/16 bit :)

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Originally Posted by Nahara

I laughed harder than I should have when it showed Caius's past with Yuel...

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I think you are a Sadist.

that was simultaneously awesome while reminding us that ffxiii's story is pretty much utter nonsense.

Sounds like something that should be on Kickstarter.

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Originally Posted by Nahara

I laughed harder than I should have when it showed Caius's past with Yuel...

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I'll admit, the 16-bit rendition of that particular scenario... kind of looked humorous, whether it was unintentional or not. :p

I would like to see them go back a bit to how it was.

S-E has in particular strayed to far from the games I liked.

They have become to linear. To little decision making on players part. And they have utterly ruined immersion for me with not being able to rename my characters.

I blame voice overs for that last one. And bad voice overs can ruin a game in itself, like it did for me with FFX.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

HELL, I bet if you released FFVII's remake in 16-bit, you'd still make millions lol... but also please remake it in modern-age graphics too haha.

I know FFIX especially in 16-bit would do so well.

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Between the FF-Generation-Triad, there would be a low market for retro style Final Fantasy:

Generation #1 would be my generation of the NES and FEMICOM Square-Soft Final Fantasy- Delivered HIGH quality story and unorthodox form of battle systems with FF1~VI, Dragonquest and even our beloved Cronotrigger, we take for granted today.

:cool:

Generation #2 would not be considered a very short list of releases of Final Fantasy using high quality graphics and CG on the Playstation & Xbox bringing our experience out of retro to Anime | Otacu style presentations! We've got that through FFVII, VIII, IX, X and XII.

:D

Generation #3 is very peculiar and doesn't bring anything new to the table in form of story/ characters/ battle systems that is for RPGrs. Superior graphics is at play here again on the PlayStation3 and XBOX 360 delivering new way to interact with the battle system and enjoy a new form of story telling.

:(

My idea: From what I see here, the trend is not making story better but delivery and presentation more main-stream. This kills off the RP-trait and integrity of the genre though some value still remains which supports it enough to get by. I may even think some stories are so complex and convoluted that it kills 'story-telling' to leaving the player dumb-founded.

Arguing could be futile but the fact that story and character development for RPGs has... (how should I state it mildly?) devolved throughout the generations(time-travel...?? zzz), you can see where the gaming industry is heading. Like a beast with multiple heads wearing crowns.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

http://www.3angrygamers.com/wp-conte...eworld%2B2.jpg

Screenshot from FFXV


Man I want to play Homeworld now.

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I quite honestly have no idea what this had to do with my comment. Nor what point you were trying to make.

Only if I can get a Snow Punch Out mini game out of it.

Seriously. Snow can DIAF.

To all of you classic FF1-9 fans who don't like the FFX & FFXIII direction of things. (I'm one of them)

Make sure to support Bravely Default.
http://pixelsordeath.com/wp-content/.../01/img_05.jpg
http://www.3dsbuzz.com/wp-content/up...ed-Horizon.jpg
http://static.worldsfactory.net/uplo...ing-fairy1.jpg

It has nearly everything you'd want in a classic FF game, the job system, amazing Akihiko Yoshida art, true fantasy setting, an overworld, story about the crystals, airships etc...

The only thing SE didn't give it was a "Final Fantasy" name and the classic summons/mobs.

Hopefully if it's successful enough, we'll start seeing HD console releases at some point.




Also, if SE would only announce FFXII HD soon...

i wouldnt mind if SE made another 16-32 bit sprite game, but i would suspect that it would be released for smart phones and/or handhelds. I do have 3 big wishes that i would like to see from SE one day tho:

1) a new turn based FF
2) a new ff-tactics for console
3) Star Ocean Online

From what I got from the retro-look of Final Fantasy XIII is a single game that was broken up in parts(for reasons unknown: Discretion is advised). The plot in itself should've been of one Final Fantasy release with exception the battle systems may differ.

If it were SquareSoft, this would've been a hit-game that made itself a classic with no defacing of value. Now with every Final Fantasy release, it seems predictable.

Too bad after chapter 5 or so in Bravely, the game becomes extremely repetitive and boring all the way until the end. Before that though - all good.

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Originally Posted by Musaid

Too bad after chapter 5 or so in Bravely, the game becomes extremely repetitive and boring all the way until the end. Before that though - all good.

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Still, I'll take it over FFXIII (or FFX) any day of the week.

Dude, I'm totally with you on this one.

I've become so disappointed in ARR, that the other night I fired up the Wii and bought FF6 from the Wii Shop.

So much fun to play this game on a giant screen :D

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Saying you want SE to perduce 16bit games again and that people would be willing to pay $/£24.99 is madness, I nearly balked at paying £10.99 on my Android phone for FFIII last year, maybe the hardcore would pay it but a lot more people wont and neither would the younger generation who never grew up in the 8bit/16bit golden age.

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I agree. Though I don't doubt there are people interested, there are many more who would just be put off by low graphics. Hell, even old fans of some games can often be seen over the web saying "I tried to go back to play XXXX, but I can't stand the graphics any more".

I've seen this very often, and if even people who liked the games and know how good it is can be put off by lower graphics, let's not even try to convince newer generations who never played 2D games.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Personally, I just miss the feel of the older 16-bit games, but I don't miss a single second of 16-bit graphics. The FF games of old captivated me much more. I don't know if it's because I'm older now, or because the newer games are lacking something that the older ones had... but I remember feeling heartbroken when Aerith died in FFVII. And even in Crisis Core, I KNEW what was going to happen to Zack but it was still powerful. I still think FFVIII has one of the best stories and I loved every second of that game. And when Cecil became a Paladin for my first time, I felt like I just attained God Mode. When Kain betrayed me for HIS first time, I felt like I lost a friend. Many of SE's games don't have that same power they used to have 5-10, even 15 yrs ago. At least not for me.

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It seems the quality you value most is narrative.

Crisis Core, for example, had an extremely boring and repetitive gameplay, and was made up of a succession of corridors with zero choices whatsoever.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely *loved* it. But only because it had a very, very good narrative (and a good dose of fan service;))
I mean, narrative was the only quality of the game, and people already knew how it ended. Succeeding in making us play till the end shows how good it was.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

I get thats its linear and a series of pretty looking corridors mostly, but so was FFX - in fact all the games are linear just the methods of managing/blocking you arent so obvious e.g. the Migdarzolm in VII

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The illusion of choice is a very important quality for a RPG.
You're right about the fact that you don't necessary have a lot more choices in older games, but what is important is that it feels so.
I've stopped playing FF games after I gave up on X without even finishing it, because it felt too linear for my taste. I've tried a bit of later FFs at a friend's place, but never liked it for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

While I think XII and XIII/XIII-2 were fine games, I do believe it's time to go back to the 1-9 style whether it be retro or more of the PS1. Either way though, the fans will never agree on a new FF; which is why you will never see a FF7 full blown remake.

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Actually, I remember reading an official communication somwhere that said if they were to remake FF VII it would take them like 3 years.
I don't remember the details, but basically, they said it would take too much ressources/time to be worth it.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

What do you guys think? Should SE release new 16-bit JRPG's like those of old?

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It's not the graphics that made those games better (for those that prefered them to newer ones). It's what was lost in the process of adapting games to the current technology standarts.
I'm not sure what this missing "something" is, but simply developping a 16 bit RPG is not the key, imho.

EDIT: Actually, the higher realism of the graphics may be partly responsible to this feeling of linearity. If player get a feeling of a more realistic immersion, the expectations are elevated as far as freedom goes, the limitations become more obvious. Things that might have gone unnoticed on a 16 bit game, might become obvious with realistic graphics/controls.
Not so sure, though, it's just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

Man I want to play Homeworld now.

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I do, too. How dare you!

The thing is many of these jrpg games are mostly available in handhelds, namely nintendo.

From whay I've seen they all end up looking chibi/ cutesy that may turn people away.

Take a look at ff12 revenant wings.

There's also the market to deal with too. Sadly most people want good graphic especially if it's gonna cost 60 dollars.

Now, SE will experiment with drakengard 3 to see if localizing more jrpg will be worth it

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Originally Posted by Billie21

The illusion of choice is a very important quality for a RPG.
You're right about the fact that you don't necessary have a lot more choices in older games, but what is important is that it feels so.
I've stopped playing FF games after I gave up on X without even finishing it, because it felt too linear for my taste. I've tried a bit of later FFs at a friend's place, but never liked it for the same reason.

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Haha yeah thats what I meant just you put it so much better :)

Its the illusion of choice in VII/VIII/IX/XII that hides the linear plot progression/world exploration better then what X and XIII did.
The problem with those two was lack of side quests/side stories to get into and break up the main storyline, it felt like a grind - one that worked for me as I loved the characters/world/story and the visuals (orignal XIII still one of best looking games IMO) but a grind none the less.

Oh you should of tried XII that was as close to an MMO/open world your gonna get in an offline FF game, I racked up 168hrs on 1st run and still didnt get everything or level cap!
That had a great "illusion of choice" after first few hours, could wonder off and explore regions, go on monster/hunters quild quests - so awsome :)
(Also Devs. if your seeing this please do a HD remaster of XII for PS3 before end of its shelf life as one big send off for the old boy, like the original XII was for PS2)

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Oh you should of tried XII that was as close to an MMO/open world your gonna get in an offline FF game, I racked up 168hrs on 1st run and still didnt get everything or level cap!
That had a great "illusion of choice" after first few hours, could wonder off and explore regions, go on monster/hunters quild quests - so awsome :)
(Also Devs. if your seeing this please do a HD remaster of XII for PS3 before end of its shelf life as one big send off for the old boy, like the original XII was for PS2)

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Thanks for the advice. I never played XII at all, I'll look into it :)

wow, lotsa hipsters around, perhaps we should all go back to typing on typewriters too

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Originally Posted by Billie21

Thanks for the advice. I never played XII at all, I'll look into it :)

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You should you'll enjoy it, its actually strikingly similar to XIV to be honest in design terms (art, music, classes, adventure field battles).
The battle style was a departure from the traditional ATB style or Xs truly turn based system, they happened in real time and in the field like on XIV and you could kinda programme the other party members or control them manually - quite fun!

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Originally Posted by ReiszRie

wow, lotsa hipsters around, perhaps we should all go back to typing on typewriters too

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Does that mean im getting old? oh god does asking that make me old?! :p
(whats a hipster?)

That part was hilarious XD, poor Caius, I understand his frustration :(

This seems like a pretty appropriate thread to share this video, where people in the game industry talk about their views on graphical improvements. Of particular relevance, the view that enhanced graphics require less imagination to fill in the blanks, and cast further light on deviations from reality.

I would love a 16-bit FF again, but I would really prefer one that kept the same flavor as the past games. i.e., Dimensions, apart from the blue windows, barely looked like a Final Fantasy game at all. It was fun, but didn't scratch my nostalgia itch.

That being said, I don't believe there's anything stopping a game with fantastic graphics from recapturing the spirit of older Final Fantasies. I'm not sure what Square's goal with the series is, but it's currently being used as what appears to be the "safe route" to test out new systems. The most glaring example is the battle system. The series is moving toward non-stop action, where you can now only fully control one character. As battles are an integral part of Final Fantasies, it feels like the series is moving further and further away from when we all fell in love with it, because the core system is changing so drastically. That, I think, is what's causing all the nostalgia rage from fans.

But it doesn't have to be that way! FFX proved that old systems can be successfully updated to modern-day standards. FFX-2 showed that even if everyone hates everything about your game, they'll still love the job system. Enough to warrant bringing it back for XII International, even. I move that if we slow down the battles to where we have full control of the party again, have a true world map, and get away from the "modern magi-technological" era, even a beautiful hi-res game would feel like the old days.


(I'd also like to take a brief moment to address the couple of people who brought up XV: It was originally supposed to take place in the XIII universe, so the atmosphere and setting will likely be reminiscent)

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

I wouldn't say they should make new 16-bit games. Rather, I think they should do the same they did with IX. Go back to their roots with a medieval fantasy setting, perhaps.

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God, FFIX was beautiful. It really was. Such an underrated game.

Go snag Dragon Fantasy Books I & II if you get bored one day. They're short and silly little RPGs, but aside from the bugs that drove me nuts in Book II, they're very solid and fun games. The nostalgia is really well done and shows just how well a 16-bit RPG can do in present time.