2.16 will change Quick Synthesis

hi all :D
read through some of the rants and cheers re: the latest live letter and havent seen anyone talk about this so i thought i would give a heads up to some of you out there that may have missed this point.

as of right now, quick synthesis can be a great way to level up and get achievements.
even better you can do it with nothing but your "weapon" equipped, saving you repair costs.
however, in 2.16, this will no longer be the case.

So if anyone out there like to save up rested exp, grab a GC scroll and a bite to eat, pick a craft closest to your level that has only 1 or 2 ingredients, find a nice spot to get nekkid and get to work.....

you have until Feb. 22nd

Or you could do the same with gear on, turn it into materia, and turn a nice profit.

If what they meant by stats affecting quick synth is that having fully overmelded AF with all 50 crafts will no longer result in fails, then I'm all for this change.

Seriously, it's annoying to have to make 200 of X and watching quick synth fail the first 5 when the alternative is to sit there for an hour clicking on Careful Synthesis II - real exciting.

Do you have any direct quotes to reference? I don't understand what you are trying to say with your OP... How exactly is quick synth being changed?

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Do you have any direct quotes to reference? I don't understand what you are trying to say with your OP... How exactly is quick synth being changed?

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I'm not OP and I don't have direct quotes, but if I remember correctly, they were saying that stats would affect quick synthesis. Currently, as far as I know, nothing affects quick synth rates. You could be wearing no armour or you could be wearing full overmelded AF and you would still get roughly 90% success rates. They didn't give any specific details (as usual) but the implication is that having higher stats --> better quick synth rates (or, of course, worst stats --> lower quick synth rates, which is what the OP seems to be complaining about).

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

I'm not OP and I don't have direct quotes, but if I remember correctly, they were saying that stats would affect quick synthesis. Currently, as far as I know, nothing affects quick synth rates. You could be wearing no armour or you could be wearing full overmelded AF and you would still get roughly 90% success rates. They didn't give any specific details (as usual) but the implication is that having higher stats --> better quick synth rates (or, of course, worst stats --> lower quick synth rates, which is what the OP seems to be complaining about).

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Oh... hmm, this is actually better for me since I already have all the crafts at 50... False alarm?

Doesn't this seem liek the way it should be??

I'm pretty sure that's what the change was intended for - or at least, I'm hoping that's what the change was for. Like I mentioned earlier, it's really annoying to see the first 5 quick synths fail when you're in full overmelded AF with all crafts at 50 (why am I failing so often when I have Careful Synthesis II?). I'm sure I wasn't the only one who complained about it.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

.... which is what the OP seems to be complaining about).

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i wasnt complaining, just giving people a heads up.
i only used this method to burn some levels when i have alot of rested exp saved.
i do hope with our stats being included in the equation that i see more HQ stuff though.

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It seems like Quick Synthesis has a built-in 5%(?) fail rate, regardless of your gear. Maybe it is just a penalty for using quick synthesis in general.

But, I still feel like the fail rate is too high.

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It seems like Quick Synthesis has a built-in 5%(?) fail rate, regardless of your gear. Maybe it is just a penalty for using quick synthesis in general.

But, I still feel like the fail rate is too high.

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As a level 50 Culinarian, I should not be failing an synths in the 1-30~40 level range, especially with full HQ gear (don't have materia melds yet). If I spent the time to do it manually and would never fail, I should never fail at quick synth either.

This is amazing. Somehow you just can't please everyone. Fix a system in exactly the way players have been asking for and someone will come up with a way it hurts them. Quick synthesis naked to save on repair costs?? You say you're not complaining, but your post consists of: how it is now, what they're changing, and how you'll lose out afterwards. Even a deadline to take advantage of the good times while they last! :rollseyes:

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Originally Posted by Katchii

As a level 50 Culinarian, I should not be failing an synths in the 1-30~40 level range, especially with full HQ gear (don't have materia melds yet). If I spent the time to do it manually and would never fail, I should never fail at quick synth either.

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Truthfully it's nearly impossible to fail any synth, be it -30 levels of +10 levels if all you were trying to do is NQ synth it. Even with mediocre just-there gear it's not exactly hard to 100% NQ a 2 star synth just by spamming careful synthesis and MAYBE a single repair if your gear is really really behind. Quick Synth's inbuilt failure would make sense if they stuck with the XI system of crafting where everything has a guaranteed 5% failure no matter what, but they didn't, so yeah.

People only fail because of failed risk analysis, if they want to quick synth a crapload of NQ items just let them do it, they're already taking a loss by virtue of the fact that it's a damn NQ.

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People only fail because of failed risk analysis, if they want to quick synth a crapload of NQ items just let them do it, they're already taking a loss by virtue of the fact that it's a damn NQ.

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NQ means less profit per item, but many people simply won't spend the extra on the HQ food, which means NQ sell faster.

NQ isn't always bad.

I don't dabble much in cooking but I imagine the market for that is a bit healthier since it's a consumable, but NQing just about any sort of equipment is a pretty big loss, at least enough so that it's not worth the faster transit time. Sometimes the market is screwed enough that HQs are actually selling for less than NQs and you either have to HQ or get screwed.

Nevertheless my point was more in line with how having any breaks with quicksynth makes no sense because it's impossible for anybody with a pulse to fail an intended NQ synth.

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Nevertheless my point was more in line with how having any breaks with quicksynth makes no sense because it's impossible for anybody with a pulse to fail an intended NQ synth.

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True, I was remembering simply trying to finish synths as I was leveling when I didn't have the cross class skills, but even then it was nearly impossible to fail a synth that was intended to be NQ.

It is actually impossible unless you're just totally spacing out. Even for a 40 durability 2-star craft if you have the typical 347 craftsmanship requirement you can just use careful synthesis I 4 times and there's 0 chance of failure. Substitute that with steady hand + basic synthesis if you want to be really gimp.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

This is amazing. Somehow you just can't please everyone. Fix a system in exactly the way players have been asking for and someone will come up with a way it hurts them. Quick synthesis naked to save on repair costs?? You say you're not complaining, but your post consists of: how it is now, what they're changing, and how you'll lose out afterwards. Even a deadline to take advantage of the good times while they last! :rollseyes:

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silly wabbit.. im sure i can craft together an eye patch to hide that eye problem of yours.
again, not a complaint thread just a heads up.
half the time i dont use the nekkid method because i SB while mass producing. QS, again is great for achievements and easy leveling if you, like i put in OP, have rested exp & food & GC scroll.

I musta had some bad RNG luck.

When I quick synth cobalt ingots with i48 mh, i55 body pieces and oh gear, my fail rate is about 3%, give or take 2%.

When I was using i33-i37 gear just to bond it, I failed 10%-12% over the next 297 ingots. So I'm kind of surprised they said it wasn't in there yet.

I just wish they'd adjust Quick Synth to where it doesn't take 10 minutes to go through a stack of materials. It takes me an hour or longer just to make a stack of La Noscean Toast for my PLD due to the other random sub-components needed for it. Like, I'm LITERALLY alt+tabbed out of the game reading through the forums and other websites waiting for this stuff to finish, queue up another stack of items, then alt+tab back. It's ridiculous.

It should just do one animation, and say:

- You successfully made X amount out of 99 items.
- You HQ'd Y amount out of 99 items.
- You failed Z amount out of 99 items.

Ever since ARR came out, there's been nothing "quick" about Quick Synth. It's literally spamming 1.0's Hasty Hand over and over.

If they let you make it too fast though there would be imbalance in the game and markets flooded. There has to be some balance.

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Originally Posted by Tetsaru

It takes me an hour or longer just to make a stack of La Noscean Toast for my PLD due to the other random sub-components needed for it.

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First of all I see your point, and don't disagree with the sentiment at least. So I'm not trying to derail, but you've gotten me curious..

I understand being prepared and all, and I have 40 HQ toasts I've made in my inventory too, but I'm struggling to understand why you would need an entire stack (49.5 hours worth) of toast regularly unless you plan on eating one for every moment you're logged in regardless of what you're doing. This is like a biweekly exercise at best. Maybe a week if you're really logging the hours.. So is an hour of your time really that unreasonable?

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Originally Posted by Creativephobia

First of all I see your point, and don't disagree with the sentiment at least. So I'm not trying to derail, but you've gotten me curious..

I understand being prepared and all, and I have 40 HQ toasts I've made in my inventory too, but I'm struggling to understand why you would need an entire stack (49.5 hours worth) of toast regularly unless you plan on eating one for every moment you're logged in regardless of what you're doing. This is like a biweekly exercise at best. Maybe a week if you're really logging the hours.. So is an hour of your time really that unreasonable?

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Eh, whenever I get low on something, I usually just buy/make a whole stack of it. Of course, back in 1.0, most foods that you could craft yielded more than just one at a time. I don't know why they decided to suddenly change it... it's still the same way for alchemy things like Mega-Potions, as far as I know... :confused: Because of that though, I don't bother HQ'ing any of my foods. I remember a friend of mine asked me to HQ a stack of food for him, and it took me nearly 3 hours to do it.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't know of any other games where it took this long to mass-produce something so basic. In Guild Wars 2, you could make a stack (which was 250 in that game, not 99) of food in about a minute. And even if it DID cause an imbalance, there'd still be a need for crystals and shards to synth them in the first place, right? I can burn through about 3,000 wind shards in a week alone regularly making HQ jewelry to sell, as well as the ingots and jewels themselves.

My point is, as of now, Quick Synth is just a huge time sink that encourages me to NOT pay attention to the game I'm trying to play. It's poor game design, as far as I'm concerned.