Ifrit Extreme, Searing Wind and Healer

I been wondering for a while, when searing accident happen, is it a dps responsibility to move out of the way or is it healer job to made sure they are far away from dps and tank? I ask this because I often build Ifrit farmign pt on party finder... sometime the run is so perfect no one get sear at all and sometime it is searing all over carnival.

Whenever searing hit people healer will start saying dps NEED to learn be out of the way. However, sometime there is no choice in the heat of battle; like with slightly mis-stacked eruption.

I think it's the DDs responsability. Healers have it hard enough without having to avoid that random black mage.

At least, when I died to it, I blamed myself only.

It goes both ways and being alert and communication b4 the start of how you want run it. I done both dps n healer roles, when things get heated, as long people pay attention, it be ok.

Ifrit requires both the healer & DPS to not be completely retarded.

TL;DR

Map Awareness

It's mostly on the healers. When doing Eruptions, it's on the DPS. When on the nails, it's the healers.

as a healer i usually use a macro that make a sound, put a big X on my head and ask people to get away from me
so that DPS can clearly see where not to go as I dont move when i have seering wind
it's their fault if they come at my place

it is only healer's if you do not rotate when you have close range dps
if everybody is ranged, one healer left, 1 right and no need to move
if close range dps the seering wind healer usually go west while the DPS start killing clockwise
next seering healer should then go in the spot where the nails got destroyed
this is usually when DPS can get it if healer transition is done badly or if the DPS are too slow on the nails

I would say both, dps need to be aware which healer have searing wind, and healer need to move especially during nail phase when dps need to kill the nail in that area. If the healer doesn't move during nail phase, the dps will end up either accidentally eating searing wind or they will have to ping pong here and there to kill the nail.

The above post is exactly what my FC does, relocate if there are melee, stay if all range dps
Did two DF last night and both the healer never move from their east and west location, in a team with 3 melee dps, facepalm.jpg

It's mostly the healer's responsibility.

My preferred strat is to have both healers stand on the right side and wait for the first searing wind, then the non-debuffed healer moves to the middle. The debuffed healer stays on the right side and heals MT while the one in the center takes care of AoE heals. During nail phase, DPS clear nails counter-clockwise and once the left side of the room is clear, the debuffed healer should be on the left instead of the right.

The alternate strat is to have one healer on each side but that just seems to confuse DPS and is more trouble than it's worth.

Its on both, honestly.

The DPS for not paying attention to which heal has Howl

The Heals for being out of position or for not moving to the side of the arena DPS aren't working on

If its an Eruption screw-up, its all on the DPS, but Nails, as long as the DPS move to the correct side at the beginning, the Heals should move to ensure Howl isn't going to be an issue

Tips.
1. Healers don't move during nails/eruptions DD do.
2. Ranged clump in the very center for Cure IIIs during nails.
3. Ignore the chain and have the off tank kill the front nails.
4. The howled healer needs to stand on the far end during plumes/dashes
5. DD need to be inside ifrits red circle for the eruption phase and run straight backwards, not towards the healer. if done properly there's enough room to just stop at the end if needed.

It depends on how the hit happened. I've had times where the healer thought it was a good idea to run in for an aoe cure when it was their turn to get the debuff, and sure enough wipes the whole raid.

Alternatively, I have had healers who stayed on the side where they are supposed to, and the dps run straight for them.

Basically, it's going to end up being about someone being where they weren't supposed to be, whoever that is is the one to blame.

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Originally Posted by Abelli

Tips.
1. Healers don't move during nails/eruptions DD do.
2. Ranged clump in the very center for Cure IIIs during nails.
3. Ignore the chain and have the off tank kill the front nails.
4. The howled healer needs to stand on the far end during plumes/dashes
5. DD need to be inside ifrits red circle for the eruption phase and run straight backwards, not towards the healer. if done properly there's enough room to just stop at the end if needed.

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So what's the melee DPS going to do?

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Originally Posted by valho

So what's the melee DPS going to do?

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Phase1: Eruptions
DD Normally till he turns and spits this signals that eruptions are next. Stack tightly inside the red circle with the ranged DD for eruptions and run straight back. Eruption AoE is not as big as its animation.

Phase 2: Nails
Melee start off on the rear nails between the healers and go towards the one without howl. Switch when his howl wears off or ifrit turns and spits. Ranged DoT everything and kill any remaining nails by howled healers. LB the last big nail if needed. You'll be able to DPS normally for a bit after the nails but keep in mind the off tank will get occasional single target eruptions.

Phase 3: Plumes
When he jumps everyone gathers in the middle except the howled healer. Be careful u don't get swiped when plds reposition him. Normal DD till the plumes come the tanks should have it close to the safe spot.

Phase 4: Dashes
Melee just try to spank him till he jumps up then run forward to avoid the dashes everyone should be moving together except the howled healer who is on the other side.

Repeat, except with 2 sets of eruptions in phase 1.

Workable but it favors group with more range DPS, I have used this method in my group, healers hated it and swear not to use it unless party is full range DPS.

I prefer the movement J method. I main healer.

Ifirit is a huge healer skill check and a HUGE pain in the ass.

Come on another flame attack just 5 sec after the last one. And at the same time need to keep track of soaring wind, where dps is, where other healer is, your mana and at the same time, tanks randomly jumping health?

In Titan, I always feel like that DPS trolls me. In Garuda I feel like Tanks trolls me. But in Ifrit I feel like the big troll :D

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Originally Posted by valho

Workable but it favors group with more range DPS, I have used this method in my group, healers hated it and swear not to use it unless party is full range DPS.

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I'm not quite sure how the healers would find standing still more troublesome than rotating. From a risk standpoint if a healer messes up that part you're more than likely gonna get quite a few ppl hit. If a Melee isn't paying attention he'll probably just get knocked back and at worst himself killed but that's just 1 person. Additionally, rotating is probably more detrimental to smn/blm dps than switching sides is for a melees. I can see where if your party makeup is 3mnks-brd you may want to rotate, but it probably has more to do with who are the more competent players in your group the melee or the healers.

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Originally Posted by Abelli

I'm not quite sure how...

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It's probably cause we got used to the switching method, the healer pretty much can switch with barely any problem. For us the healer with no searing will always be in the middle, while the one with searing will be on the West, only during the 8 and 13 nail phases the healer with searing on the West will need to swap to East, but rather than having them move all the way East, they move to middle when the debuff about to clear, and the middle healer move East, since we clear it clockwise, the melee dps would not be on the East side anymore. The range will usually just stay in the middle while DPS-ing. We prefer this method since nail killing is more systematic.

When we did the no swap method, we were killing nail too fast with 2 range on the East/West nail while 2 melee in the south, ended up getting too much debuff stack lol, it's an oversight on our part as DPS, we did clear using this method when we properly co-ordinate it, but with melee around we just stick to the swapping method.

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Originally Posted by valho

It's probably cause we got used to the switching method....

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Go with what works for you I suppose, I just consider Ifrit to mainly be a healing intensive fight and as such reducing the healers movements seems the most beneficial.

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Originally Posted by Abelli

Go with what works for you I suppose, I just consider Ifrit to mainly be a healing intensive fight and as such reducing the healers movements seems the most beneficial.

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Haha for me where I standing is how I know what is going to happen next :D. Trained that way after so many wipes :P

I made a simple macro to help with healers/dps in this fight, Ifrit Ex

Code:

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/mk ignore1 <me>
/mk ignore2 <f>

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usage: (assuming you are a healer, if not then change the <me> with the appropriate healer postion [1,2,3,4, ...]) Right when the first howling wind of the fights targets a healer, manually mark that person with "ignore1" icon (red strikeout 1). When you have the other healer set as focus target, each time you press the macro it will 'swap' the ignore icon between you and the other healer. So simply press the macro each time the Howling Wind wears off, and it will mark the next healer, and take off the previous healer mark. This works well as a visual guide for DPS what to not stand near.

To solve all issues, solo heal it. My FC has already done it but it has to be a whm and everyone has to be amazing otherwise it doesn't work so well. All range is highly preferred.

You could communicate and decide who's responsibility it is. Don't think SE has decided it for you :)