Major changes :
Disease from Miasma no longer applies Heavy.
Storm's Eye and Miasma Healing reduction reduced to 20%.
Composition change requiring 1 Melee 1 Range DPS.
Summoner can no longer battle ress.
Reduction of consumables cost.
They have yet to address Summoner's burst/pet damage and Fairy Healing. SCH will be easier to train but harder to kill, even more so with the rigid requirement of 1 Melee + 1 Range DPS.
What is your thought on the changes? Personally there seem to be a balance about of good and bad changes. For one, I bet most of the tanks who did Chocobo Down materia is going to be pissed at Miasma 2 no longer having Heavy effect. WHM will be easier to live due to opposing team only having 1 Range DPS at all times. No more Zombie comps, and good healers now will find opportunity to heal instead of running due to double Healing debuff.
Problem is since PvP started most people did the exodus to SMN/BLM/BRD will the system even work with the lack of melee DPS in the first place for the new queue? I doubt it, just count how many Melee DPS are there compared to Range DPS who hit Rank 30. On top of that you only have 2 Melee DPS whereas you have 3 Range DPS.
Queues are going to be longer.
New 2.15 PvP Changes
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01-21-2014, 02:06 PMTaneshimaPopuraNew 2.15 PvP Changes
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01-21-2014, 02:29 PMSunako
Also now dragoons and monks compete 2gether and bards/summoners/black mages compete 2gether it is easier balance classes between those 2/3 job.
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01-21-2014, 03:30 PMthendcomes
It's a bit annoying that I can't play with some of my friends now because they are the same type of DPS that I am. I understand what they are trying to do, but perhaps it was poorly implemented. I'm not sure what else they should have done.
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01-21-2014, 04:19 PMAlhanelemAs I mentioned in the other thread, one notable side effect of this is that Foe Requiem on BRD is now 100% useless short of WHM or SCH using cleric stance and nuking- because BRD can no longer be paired with BLM or SMN.Quote:
Composition change requiring 1 Melee 1 Range DPS.
BRD should have been grouped with the melee DPS, not the casters.
It should be: Physical DPS (1 BRD, MNK, DRG), Magical DPS (1 SMN, BLM).
I think this was a shortsighted change because it disables one of BRD's support abilities (essentially) and, due to BRD not being known for its crowd control, results in a major loss of CC if you draw a BRD instead of a caster. -
01-21-2014, 04:50 PMSunakowhy bard can not be good with melee classes? I think bards are fine. Before 2.15 bards were most deadly dps class after summoner. Now when summoners are nerfed they are pretty equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-21-2014, 05:12 PMdeezss
WHO DO I PLAY WITH NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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01-21-2014, 08:27 PMLongNu
These changes are absolutely lazy. Summoners will remain the best DPS spot. MRD still has to be addressed and now, due to 'specific' queue slots, the queue timers will be even slower.
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01-21-2014, 08:42 PMEdenlysYeah, it's the same thing but miasma2 is currently a Scholar nerfQuote:
Originally Posted by LongNu
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01-21-2014, 08:52 PMLongNu
They said they were changing pets. Is this in a later patch or not?
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01-21-2014, 08:58 PMSunakoMaybe they are gonna watch at first how much impact that current nerf make since without snare melees job is harder if u take summoner instead blm.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongNu
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01-21-2014, 09:26 PMLongNu
Okay, so, is this wrong? For the selection of my ranged DPS partner: I have BLM, SMN and BRD. When I was typing this, I forgot the other two non-SMN classes existed momentarily. Tell me. Why should I choose anything else?
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01-21-2014, 09:31 PMSunakoIf U choose BLM u can spam 40% and 20% snare that make ur melee partymembers better uptime all of the time and that way overall damage + strong sleep effect that can support ur healer more than summoner? Bard is same type than summoner really good uptime all of the time but no need situations for casting.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongNu
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01-21-2014, 09:33 PMLongNuOnly reason BLM worked was because it had the SMN to carry it. BRD isn't horrible, but SMN still outshines it. So, yeah, still rolling that SMN train. Thanks SE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunako
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01-21-2014, 09:37 PMSunakoMaybe u should try few games before u start complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongNu
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01-21-2014, 09:38 PMQuackley
Well, ideally if the burst wasn't beyond the strengths of everybody else it'd probably work out like this:
BLM for a CC comp, control targets and get the BLM free to set up burst.
SMN for big team pressure through dots, an interrupt-bot pet, and a bit of burst.
BRD joins the melee in training a target or putting out control on a caster (it's too bad their synergy with casters got taken away this patch, that was another decent strength).
The problem is those kinds of strengths aren't stronger than a summoner making someone disappear right away, especially now that one less class has a battle rez. The patch didn't address that. -
01-21-2014, 09:53 PMLongNuComplaining? What makes you think I'm complaining about having Tear global people on the enemy team? Uhhh, I'm quite fine with it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunako
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01-21-2014, 10:51 PMKoltikI don't know why this is getting so much hate - I love this change. If you went up against a double range team and you had a double melee team due to luck of the draw, then your chances of winning just dropped significantly. Not to mention the old method shunned melee dps - back when I had a regular 3's going with Tank/Healer/DPS, we had significantly lower win rates when that DPS was a melee DPS. We had the 4th be a melee dps in more games than not, so you may be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura
This addresses that issue.
p.s. I queue'd solo this morning as a tank and had no queue issues. They were under a minute.