Morale's Actual Worth?

Has anyone been able to determine the point for point value of Morale? We're assuming to automatically put on every piece of gear but some math behind why we're doing what we're doing would go a long way to really determine BiS for PvP.

Anyone did any math on this yet?

I would be interested in doing some research on this, but it's gonna be hard to work the math out on this because things are incredibly relative.

You do more damage based on your morale, and your opponent takes less based on there morale. Without a good way of knowing your opponents morale parsers are kind of worthless.

You can't just look people up on the lodestone either, because they might not be wearing the same amount.

I think, if we could get this organized. Two, 4 man groups, queuing against each other. We could get some decent numbers as we prolong the fight and run parsers. Just get 8 people in a VOIP together.

More than anything it would be a matter of controlling the numbers.

EDIT: Not to mention the normal built in defense numbers. If the formula is as crazy as the other ones in this game, you could so multiplicative or additive effects.

I'd be willing to test this. Something like this is crucial to the community.

wtb pvp testing dummies badly :3

I'm assuming it is pretty similar to the percentages from expertise in SWTOR. Probably about .15% damage done to players per point of morale.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

iLvl 70 PvP Gear is greater than iLvl90 PvE gear, with the exception of the iLvl 95 Allagan Spear and or iLvl90 PvE Relic vs the 70 PvP weapon. If you are using iLvl80~ PvE gear, I would recommend getting the iLvl 70 PvP gear as the Morale should prove more useful.

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You literally said that on the 22nd of December, now you're asking if morale is worth it?

I would really like to know this, as well. I didn't get a huge start on PvP initially and now I am trying to do the grind. Do I go in my full i90 PvE gear, or go with the initial crafted (HQ) gear (using relic+1)? I've tested out both, and it honestly seems like I do more damage with the i90 PvE gear, but also die a lot easier. Some sort of official statement or testing on this would be nice. I've really wondered about it... and if someone in i90 does 'more' damage while also taking more, what's to stop a melee or tank (someone who's not the initial target of a fight) from just wearing i90 PvE? The reason I've leaned more toward the crafted PvP gear is because as a summoner I am focused pretty hard at the start, so the survival really helps. Of course, my i90 PvE gear is probably much less effective against someone ELSE who is actually using PvP gear... although a lot of people I bump into are in the same boat and seem to be wearing PvE and neglecting PvP gear.

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Originally Posted by Foullacy

You literally said that on the 22nd of December, now you're asking if morale is worth it?

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He's not really asking if Morale is worth it.
We know Morale is worth it in general.

He's asking if we know the weight of it.
ie 1 Dex = 7 crit = x Morale (I made these up but I'm pretty sure ~7 or 8 is close to the average weights)

That only really works for offense, but it'd help someone make a choice between a piece of junky SkillSpeed/Morale, vs a piece of PvE Crit/Det if they wanted damage.

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Originally Posted by Foullacy

You literally said that on the 22nd of December, now you're asking if morale is worth it?

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Reading comprehension is difficult.

Under no circumstances is pve gear of equal level better then pvp gear

Think were just trying to figure out if lets say.. I90 Gear is better than Crafted PvP gear and such. Just so we can save time on the farm. I'm not sure myself, but im making by just fine with I90 pve and a mix of i70/55 pvp acessories.

I am especially curious on the damage (in and out) difference with morality. Does it effect healing at all? owo? If not, is the damage factor just pure intensity or does it dramatically change the min/max values?

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Originally Posted by DustySlippers

Under no circumstances is pve gear of equal level better then pvp gear

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As long as there is no math behind this, then we are only assuming. Yes, Morale should be better, but knowing the point for point value can go a long way.

Give me a day and I'll set up an outline of a good test to run. If other people think it looks good we'll take volunteers and get together a group to try it out. I've got nothing to do during class today anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

Think were just trying to figure out if lets say.. I90 Gear is better than Crafted PvP gear and such. Just so we can save time on the farm. I'm not sure myself, but im making by just fine with I90 pve and a mix of i70/55 pvp acessories.

I am especially curious on the damage (in and out) difference with morality. Does it effect healing at all? owo? If not, is the damage factor just pure intensity or does it dramatically change the min/max values?

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crafted pvp gear is a waste, your not going to survive any longer in that than you would darklight.

Wear the i90 stuff you have and fill in the missing pieces with i70 pvp gear when you can afford it then gradually replace the i90 stuff with i70 pvp gear unless its got your best secondary stat on it

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Originally Posted by Pentara

crafted pvp gear is a waste, your not going to survive any longer in that than you would darklight.

Wear the i90 stuff you have and fill in the missing pieces with i70 pvp gear when you can afford it then gradually replace the i90 stuff with i70 pvp gear unless its got your best secondary stat on it

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I suppose Crafted Gear can be utilized for those who absolutely cannot get i70 PvE gear at all. Only then would it be acceptable. Other than that, it is seriously bottom tier. Even compared to PvE pieces.

Somewhat relevant but as a SCH is it potentially worth getting the "tanking" PvP accessories over the healing ones? Since the best healing comes from Lustrate anyway.

Just a thought...

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Somewhat relevant but as a SCH is it potentially worth getting the "tanking" PvP accessories over the healing ones? Since the best healing comes from Lustrate anyway.

Just a thought...

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It is. Until your getting I70 stuff. Only Caster/Healer is available to you from the vendor.


Well it is if you feel like tanking :<

You will be missing a lot of mind, so your heal may be a bit . . .Sub Par. And no one likes a sub par healer in PvP.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

As long as there is no math behind this, then we are only assuming. Yes, Morale should be better, but knowing the point for point value can go a long way.

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there is no simple point for point value for any stat, the math that people have done shows this. Hidden variables make 1 point of STR for MNK different then 1 point of STR for LNC.

If you wanted an accurate picture of the value of morale it would be dependant on the class your playing, current gear, opponents and their gear

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Originally Posted by DustySlippers

there is no simple point for point value for any stat, the math that people have done shows this. Hidden variables make 1 point of STR for MNK different then 1 point of STR for LNC.

If you wanted an accurate picture of the value of morale it would be dependant on the class your playing, current gear, opponents and their gear

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That's an assumption right now though. Because as long as 0 testing has been done for actually gathering numbers we don't know that. Morale could simply be a tacked on % change for all we know.

You have to test with one simple attack with preferably 100 potency flat. Impulse Drive into the face would be a good skill as base, do note that Auto attacks are 80 potency. Theoretically, STR is worth more to MNK than it is to DRG due to Greased Lightning effect under almost every circumstances, just like how Crit is always worth more to a Monk in PvP than in PvE cause you cannot say abuse Bootshine effect due to PvP fickle nature.

As far as preliminary observation, it is safe to say 1 STR > 1 Morale > 1 Determination. (In fact I believe 1 Morale is at least worth 4-5 Determination, that is not even counting it's defensive component). Problem with the test is that each of the 3 stats affect each other in a multiplicative level. And it has been tested that STR DMG increase is based off STR + % from base. Aka if you have 100 STR Base having 20STR extra would cause you to do 20% more damage.