Primal: Belias

Since all Summoner Egi are lesser versions of Primals I'm guessing we will be seeing Belias in the future due to the appearance of Belias Egi. This also means the arrival of a New Beast Tribe with Belias.

I'm going to just wing it and guess Belias and the new Beast Tribe will be from the desert area of Ala Mhigo.

How they introduce them can either be a Major Update having most content relating the Ul'dah area or make us wait for the First expansion time since they don't plan to introduce Ala Mhigo until the 1st Expansion with Ishgard.

Belias Egi Image is hidden- See at your own risk.

http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Belias_XIV.jpg

Looks like Emo-Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by NovakAlder

Looks like Emo-Ifrit.

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Well so far it seems to be made that way to imply Belias is not only a Fire Primal like Ifrit but he uses Dark Flames instead of Red Flames.

For now Lesser version like Egi doesn't hold their complete form which will need some work in FF14 due to Belias original art...

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...lias-FFXII.png

Where do you see that?

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Where do you see that?

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Spoiler warning:

You see Belias Egi in the lvl 50 Summoner Quest during the boss fight.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well so far it seems to be made that way to imply Belias is not only a Fire Primal like Ifrit but he uses Dark Flames instead of Red Flames.

For now Lesser version like Egi doesn't hold their complete form which will need some work in FF14 due to Belias original art...

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...lias-FFXII.png

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So Belius uses Hellfire? Thats just more evidence pointing out this is Ifrit in an emotionally unstable phase.

Belias is a twisted version of Ifrit essentially. He may sound different in Lore, but if SE truly cared for it they would have given him a unique appearance.

I would have accepted (though not been happy about) a palette swap Ifrit with a different story other than "Go beat up this primal a 3rd time, he's a little stronger now."

Like Tupsi said, Belias is not an entity in this game. Belias is the name the developers decided to give the corrupted manifestation of the Ifrit-Egi that summoner called using his newly acquired dark powers. Imagine the real name was "Corrupted Ifrit-Egi", but develpment was nice and decided to actually named it something.

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Originally Posted by BloodPact

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For now it may seem that way but don't forget the Primals Originated outside of Eorzea. Primals did not exists in Eorzea until the Allagans started to find ways to defeated the Primals being summoned in other Continents they were invading.

It is most likely there are other Primals with the same Element as the Primals of Eorzea.

Maybe some allagan coruption to a primal.

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Originally Posted by Genesis88

Maybe some allagan coruption to a primal.

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Well Primals are not related to Allagans but the the known primals of Eorzea were brought up by them.

There are still also the Primals of the other Continents which the Allagans encountered during their conquest of the world.

Not to mentioned the definition of Primals have changed lore wise due to Good king Moggle Mog XII and how he is summoned to Eorzea despite not being considered a Primal.

This leads to the idea that there can easily be other Primals in the world with similar elements and powers of the Primals of Eorzea but these powers are used differently by these different primals.

For now we have to wait for them to expand more on the lore of Primals and what Primals really are.

To be technical, King Moggle Mog XII was a moogle myth. They themselves was not sure if he actually existed or not. The moogles worshipped him, therefor summoned him. Just as the beast man had summoned them. At one point the Ala Mingans wanting to summon their god Rhalgr, the destroyer. The Allagans are known to have some connection with bahamut, notice the allagan armor that he wearing.

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Originally Posted by Genesis88

The Allagans are known to have some connection with bahamut, notice the allagan armor that he wearing.

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Well this part was already explained if you follow the Coil storyline and speak with the Summoner trainer about what Summoners are....

The allagans were creating technology that can mindcontrol dragons. However, this technology required the device to be placed on the dragon before it can have any effect. The tech on bahamut was one of these devices since during the Allagan era they sought many ways to fight the Primals from the other Continents even resorting to finding ways to control Primals as well. Of course their plan to control Bahamut ultimately failed.

Belias isn't a standard Primal or corrupted. It's an Elder Primal like Bahamut and Odin. The bad guy SMN in that quest wanted to be able to tap into that thing's power in order to crush the beast tribe's standard Primals out of revenge because Ifrit Tempered his brother, and the Ascian gave him that ability more in likely because doing so would help wake the whole Elder Primal up. Waking up Elder Primals seem to be a big part of the Ascian game plan, whether due the the extreme damage they cause, the sheer amount of Aether they drain, or both.

You guys realize there are placeholder graphics from time-to-time... I bet part of the reason the Belias-egi appears like dark Ifrit has more to do with the idea that they didn't want to yet reveal how Belias would 'later' appear in the game... and it were there more to act as a subtle teaser for those who would catch it.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

You guys realize there are placeholder graphics from time-to-time... I bet part of the reason the Belias-egi appears like dark Ifrit has more to do with the idea that they didn't want to yet reveal how Belias would 'later' appear in the game... and it were there more to act as a subtle teaser for those who would catch it.

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That would make no sense considering SE had no problems making unique models for specific encounters in XI lol. Egis rarely resemble the actual primal so it wouldn't have spoiled anything.

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Originally Posted by BloodPact

Like Tupsi said, Belias is not an entity in this game. Belias is the name the developers decided to give the corrupted manifestation of the Ifrit-Egi that summoner called using his newly acquired dark powers. Imagine the real name was "Corrupted Ifrit-Egi", but develpment was nice and decided to actually named it something.

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This is wrong. It's not a corrupted ifrit at all. Belias was said to be an elder primal in that quest.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

This is wrong. It's not a corrupted ifrit at all. Belias was said to be an elder primal in that quest.

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"Belias is a twisted version of Ifrit essentially. He may sound different in Lore"

As I said, if SE truly cared about the lore, he would have had a unique appearance rather than being an obviously twisted version of Ifrit. Remember, much like in FFXI, there can be "alternate" versions of something (or even someone) thanks to Atomos's existence, which between both games actually share a similar theme, so until we know more, who's to say Belias isn't an Elder Ifrit from another land and ifrit is just a 'minion'? There can be multiple Primal per element, some being higher up than others.

The main problem with this, is the whole damn egi thing to begin with.

To be honest Tristan used Belias, due to ancient wisdom from summoners of old. Who to say they didn't perfect summoning of primals, and also you gotta take in the account of ascian influences. Also If im not mistaken you have to bathe in the aether of the primal, to be able to summon it.

I think with time, we'll see all the Ivalice esper's appear, whether a passing reference or as an actual being we see/fight. Zodiark is already referenced and the Ascians all share the names of the Scions of Light that mirrored XII's Espers which were the Scions of Dark.

inb4 reskinned ifrit

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

he would have had a unique appearance rather than being an obviously twisted version of Ifrit. Remember, much like in FFXI,

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I think 50% of the models in the games are recycling, why a monster for one job quest ( so not a quest that everyone will do ) would have a unique model?

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Originally Posted by lololink

I think 50% of the models in the games are recycling, why a monster for one job quest ( so not a quest that everyone will do ) would have a unique model?

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I take your statement and raise you "why give summoned pets (Egis) a unique appearence when there are already full-form models and not everyone will play Summoner?" The reason why they do this to certain mobs is to reduce development time, however, usually during main story lines (such as that of the SMN job) they will use unique models. I have done the 50 job quests for DRG, MNK, and WAR, and although DRG and WAR are covered with masks, the MNK npc was a unique character that is unlikely to ever be seen again outside that quest chain (or related quests) in the future.