FFXI menu~> FFXIV please~

I just wanted this menu design in FFXI to be implemented in FFXIV~ i don't like the action bar way in FFXIV and i'm sure many of you would like that menu to come back in FFXIV , what i mean is just like this one on this picture link> check below plz

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I would rly like it if SE will consider it .

Thank You~~

No, I'd much, much rather have my action bar. If I were playing this on a console with a controller, sure, I'd like a menu. Seems to me a menu like that would be frustrating with a keyboard/mouse, though.

If it was implemented as in XI, where we also had access to 3 hotbars, I could care less if they added this.

But since I primarily use keyboard + mouse, I would much rather that they spend the resources on improving the current hotbar system, and gave us access to 3 (or 4) hotbars on screen and all with hotkeys as in most other modern (and very old) MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Loth

If it was implemented as in XI, where we also had access to 3 hotbars, I could care less if they added this.

But since I primarily use keyboard + mouse, I would much rather that they spend the resources on improving the current hotbar system, and gave us access to 3 (or 4) hotbars on screen and all with hotkeys as in most other modern (and very old) MMOs.

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i think the current system is ok for controller but for keyb and mouse it could be improved by just fixing the action bar and give US the option how many of the bars we would like to see 1-2 or 3. I don't think this would be a huge thing to do and already help a lot.

But they catering to pc, ps3 controller and mouse keyb. and so far both systems need a lot of polishing still.

Why do people want a hotbar like we have now when everyoe is using macros?

The old (ffxi) menu was much more pleasing to the eyes and simpler to use, not to mention we had a really good macro system as well.

Yes to bringing the old ffxi menu into 14!

I never use macros in combat, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about, there. >_>

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Originally Posted by Irana

Why do people want a hotbar like we have now when everyoe is using macros?

The old (ffxi) menu was much more pleasing to the eyes and simpler to use, not to mention we had a really good macro system as well.

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For me, I find it much easier and faster to click 1 or 2 (ctrl / alt) keys to activate an ability or macro, than navigating a menu.

Having hotbars does not mean you can not tie macros to each slot, we already do that.

What I, and quite a few others would like, is to have 3 (or more) hotbars visible, so cooldown and whatever else info might be relevant is easy to see.

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Originally Posted by Loth

For me, I find it much easier and faster to click 1 or 2 (ctrl / alt) keys to activate an ability or macro, than navigating a menu.

Having hotbars does not mean you can not tie macros to each slot, we already do that.



What I, and quite a few others would like, is to have 3 (or more) hotbars visible, so cooldown and whatever else info might be relevant is easy to see.

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You are aware that having 2 or 3 hotbars usually means using ctrl/alt+1/2/3/4/5/etc in order to use the skills of said hotbars...BUT ctrl/alt are tied to MACROS.

The old menu allowed us to easily see a timer for skills/magic, access weapon skills with ease AND allowed us to easily use macros without taking away the original menu (which ff14 does, as long as you hold a macro key your original hotbar disappears and gets replaced by the macro hotbar.)

Yes to bringing ff11 menu system, again.

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Originally Posted by Irana

You are aware that having 2 or 3 hotbars usually means using ctrl/alt+1/2/3/4/5/etc in order to use the skills of said hotbars...BUT ctrl/alt are tied to MACROS.

The old menu allowed us to easily see a timer for skills/magic, access weapon skills with ease AND allowed us to easily use macros without taking away the original menu (which ff14 does, as long as you hold a macro key your original hotbar disappears and gets replaced by the macro hotbar.)

Yes to bringing ff11 menu system, again.

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It doesn't have to. They could use shift, for instance. Or, they could even leave it as it is, so you have to push up/down to move to other rows, but at least you can see all the cooldowns at once.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

It doesn't have to. They could use shift, for instance. Or, they could even leave it as it is, so you have to push up/down to move to other rows, but at least you can see all the cooldowns at once.

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Because we NEED more keys to push XD

wasd ro move, jkli for camera, 1 to 9 for skills...more stuff to get into passive mode/aggresive mode... menu.. ctrl and alt for macros...ow we would need an extra key for arrow keys? XD

No.

The XI UI was terrible. PS3 / PC UI's need to be developed independently and not together. Multiple twitch action bars are far more efficient than a slow and cumbersome XI menu.

If you play on a pad, then play the PS3 version. The main development process for the game is on PC now, thus the UI should be developed for the keyboard and mouse which has about 20x the function and accessibility than a pad.

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Originally Posted by Irana

Because we NEED more keys to push XD

wasd ro move, jkli for camera, 1 to 9 for skills...more stuff to get into passive mode/aggresive mode... menu.. ctrl and alt for macros...ow we would need an extra key for arrow keys? XD

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Funny, I never had problems in other games using WASD to move, 1-9 for abilities, and shift, ctrl, alt, or a combination of the three to use other abilities. Honestly, though, I wish they'd just let us map our keyboard properly.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Funny, I never had problems in other games using WASD to move, 1-9 for abilities, and shift, ctrl, alt, or a combination of the three to use other abilities. Honestly, though, I wish they'd just let us map our keyboard properly.

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Thats because you could properly move the camera and move with the mouse too.

here you would need an extra hand for camera control (jkil) and options selection with the arrow keys.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

No.

The XI UI was terrible. PS3 / PC UI's need to be developed independently and not together. Multiple twitch action bars are far more efficient than a slow and cumbersome XI menu.

If you play on a pad, then play the PS3 version. The main development process for the game is on PC now, thus the UI should be developed for the keyboard and mouse which has about 20x the function and accessibility than a pad.

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xi's menu ui was horrible? you mean the really easy to use and understand ui and game that you could easily play with just one hand over the numpad section of your keyboard? xD

I think the problem here as I have said before is that FFXI took a traditional Final Fantasy UI which was made for consoles and made it work for a Final Fantasy MMO. With FFXIV they have taken a MMO UI which is made for PC players and tried to make it work for a controller.

While FFXIV's UI does work it isn't great for both a controller and a keyboard and mouse. They should put 2's UI's in, one for playing with Keyboard and mouse so a more traditional MMO setup and one for a controller which is a more traditional Final Fantasy UI setup.

should just make it an option ill take the ffxi menus i can navigate them faster

Yes, I agree with this thread but a lot of people love the action bar like all "oriented action-MMORPG"...

For myself, FF XI menu was my favorite and I know I will never see it again in another MMORPG... so sad. ;; But we can't do anything to that!

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I think the problem here as I have said before is that FFXI took a traditional Final Fantasy UI which was made for consoles and made it work for a Final Fantasy MMO. With FFXIV they have taken a MMO UI which is made for PC players and tried to make it work for a controller.

While FFXIV's UI does work it isn't great for both a controller and a keyboard and mouse. They should put 2's UI's in, one for playing with Keyboard and mouse so a more traditional MMO setup and one for a controller which is a more traditional Final Fantasy UI setup.

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Now this is a perfect solution!

Im guessing it would be an option kind of like Dissidia where you get to choose between real action and turn based combat menus.

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Now this is a perfect solution!

Im guessing it would be an option kind of like Dissidia where you get to choose between real action and turn based combat menus.

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For a controller based UI I would hope it would be something like FFXIII which was very similar to FFXI but a bit more modern and then still have macro's like FFXI so we can use those too.

Here is FFXIII's battle UI in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-pzptgE4a4

what made the UI in xi handy was its keyboard convenience, the fact that they are trying so hard to not be xi by changing the basic controls of 9key movement and just typing to chat system to one more complex. I don't give a sh*t about the action bar if they could fix the damn delay/lag in the UI. I hit the key and it still takes a good 1~2 sec to respond, it sounds minuscule but what made the UI system of command cues so good in xiii was you were still in control of the premeditated amount of 3~6 actions. Giving the user time toinput or cancel commands. Also it was single player which meant it had the luxury of allowing players to slow down or speed up the process in the config settings, where as xiv is a real-time multiplayer and must rely on a universal que input from thousands of individual users, making the the concept of qued commands rather weak since they must be executed individually and (currently) cannot be seen or cancelled effectively. I don't know if its the new UI, the increase in graphic detail, the use of a new/old game engine or a combination of the three but this delay has got to be fixed. It's appalling.

The only real problem with the UI right now is its speed. It's much better than it was at launch, but it still requires WAAAYYYY too much server coordination.

I hope they never take away jkliop and such for camera because i like it more than using my mouse, i'm not at a desk my desktop is in kinda jank place so those keyboard controls are better for me. I played xi completely on keyboard and I don't see the merit is using a mouse.

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I hope they never take away jkliop and such for camera because i like it more than using my mouse, i'm not at a desk my desktop is in kinda jank place so those keyboard controls are better for me. I played xi completely on keyboard and I don't see the merit is using a mouse.

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I'd much rather they make all the bindings much more open to changing. That way you can have what you want and I can have what I want, and we can all be happy.

I'd be all for having ffxi controls and menu instated in ffxiv. From the macro system to the keyboard layout everything was so much more comfortable to me. I recognize that everyone comes from a slightly different gaming background and everyone has their own preference but the current system feels to me like an awkward mix of several things rather than a solidly designed UI. So they either need to decide fully if they want to be keyboard and mouse layout or keyboard/controller layout.

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Originally Posted by Irana

Because we NEED more keys to push XD

wasd ro move, jkli for camera, 1 to 9 for skills...more stuff to get into passive mode/aggresive mode... menu.. ctrl and alt for macros...ow we would need an extra key for arrow keys? XD

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Currently we have WASD to move, IJKL to use the camera, and on the numpad 8426 to move as well. A simple solution would be to customise these three sets to have one as move, one for camera, and then the third to have LEFT + RIGHT Scroll through the list of targets (PCs and NPCs) and UP + DOWN to scroll through party members and menus. Also, the arrow keys could be set too.

What do you guys think?