Game development resource distribution should match players' activities.

Here's what I want to know: What do players in FFXIV spend time on?

It seems most reasonable to spend a corresponding amount of development resources creating content for each of the most popular activities.

Right now this is what I see:

Players spend 70% of their time playing PvE, while approximately 33% of resources are going into new PvE content.
Players spend 25% of their time crafting, while approximately 1% of the development is going into new crafting content.
Players spend 4% of their time playing PvP, while approximately 33% of resources are going into PvP balancing.
Players spend 1% of their time on housing, while approximately 33% of resources are going into this feature.

Feel free to post your idea of what percentages should be allocated to development of each of the in-game activities.

where did you get these number ?

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Originally Posted by lololink

where did you get these number ?

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probably pulled out of thin air.

100% of this thread is speculation.

Let me be clear. I have no idea what players actually do with their playtime, nor what resources are being allocated to what development.

Firstly, I am asking the question: What do players do with their playtime? Surely this data is available to SE.

Secondly, my guesses regarding content development resource allocation are based on the released Patch 2.1 content, and what issues the developers have stated they are currently working on, along with the descriptions of content that has been stated will be coming next.

Perhaps someone would like to use this thread to discuss the allocation of development resources?

If you do not feel that resource allocation should match players actual in-game activities, I'd like to hear why.

- Crafters, who absolutely make up more than 1% of the game, should be getting more than nothing.
- Do way more people play PvP than I know of? I know one FC member that plays PvP.

This post....wow.

Game devs use statistics A LOT when making new content and balancing old content. How do you think they decide when to nerf or buff something? No, the QQ on here doesn't actually work.

Also Dev teams are usually split up to take on different tasks. For example, there is a team working on PvP and a seperate team that works on PvE. No, it is not as simple as taking a person from one team and making that person work on another team.

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Originally Posted by cearka

probably pulled out of thin air.

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Like Square's housing prices.

very fallacious reasoning, since there could (most probably) be a causal relationship between development time and what people spend their time doing, and other external factors that affect people's activity (such as bogus housing prices)

kinda funny that this kind of post exists, since its pure speculation
second, the other content is there for ALTERNATIVES, so you dont spend ALL DAY just killing mobs to level or just get better gear, and gives you OTHER goals to shoot for......

this ISNT every other mmo game that exists, where u go from one spot to another and kill mobs ALL DAY and log, then come back tomorrow and do it again

I understand the conversion you would like to discuss, unfortunately the forums are full of people who cannot communicate constructively.

That being said right now I think square is split between pve pvp and the ps4 beta to be honest any more and they are over whelmed. And don't bring up well they are a big company because if that was the case a never server hub in Europe would be implemented by now. But judging by squares actions they are on a tight budget and trying to force out content to keep up. A lot of there business desicions reflect that.

At this moment they are doing fine I would say, but they could do better they need to hurry with the ps4 beta so in two years we can drop the ps3 and expand the game without old hardware holding us back. That should be a main target along with pve.

I feel the devs are playing catchup most of the time and are trying to implement their vision for FFXIV in spite of a lot of negative reviews, I think your estimates are pretty close to the mark and I don't think we are able to influence them at this time. They will listen to us only when people make enough noise or leave. Square have already profited to the extreme from FFXIV they went from millions in the red to millions in the black according to their September financials, they have absolutely no reason to listen to us.

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Originally Posted by Cid_Grim

100% of this thread is speculation.

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Your point?

The ease of pulling statistics out of the aether is why these forums have no intelligent conversation


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The developers have an obligation to listen to player feedback, but you as a player are not entitled to govern how they develop their game. You pay to play it, not to make it.

In other words, you may be right or wrong, but just because you don't like the allocation of content doesn't mean they should do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

The ease of pulling statistics out of the aether is why these forums have no intelligent conversation


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The developers have an obligation to listen to player feedback, but you as a player are not entitled to govern how they develop their game. You pay to play it, not to make it.

In other words, you may be right or wrong, but just because you don't like the allocation of content doesn't mean they should do anything about it.

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To opine using statistics and estimations in the forum precludes the possibility of intelligent conversation is ridiculous, to reason abstractly is fluid intelligence and deals with complex information such as statistical possibilities. It's a higher reasoning function.

And no, the developers do not have an obligation to listen to us, but if they are wise they will consider what we have to say, the future of the game depends upon keeping the player base happy.

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

silly words

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Making an argument more verbose dies not make any less incorrect. These "statistics and estimations" mean nothing as they're completely made up and do not reflect the player base at all. News flash, the forums themselves are not even a proper sampling of what the player base is.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

Making an argument more verbose dies not make any less incorrect. These "statistics and estimations" mean nothing as they're completely made up and do not reflect the player base at all. News flash, the forums themselves are not even a proper sampling of what the player base is.

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People who are intimidated by more than rudimentary English often hide behind the word verbose.

The points you seem to be missing are that 1. He specifically says, "I want to know what you spend time on," and 2. "right now this is what I see," and 3. "Feel free to post your idea of what percentages should be allocated to development of each of the in-game activities," He never proposed his estimates belonged to anyone but himself.

News flash! Your argument is fallacious.

You guys are aware that 76% of all statistics are made up, right?

I like how the patch is already on every player's hands, and yet OP thinks the same percentages still apply. Not only that - the division between his points is distorted to say the least.

Well, it's his statistics - but I surely wouldn't like to have a glance on what he thinks Squeeny's dev HQ is like.

What is wrong with people? The OP created a thread with his own Ideas (right or wrong) invited people to speculate with him and give an opinion to have 90% of people lambast him for even having a unique thought or a different point of view. No wonder this forum is such a waste of space.

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

Your point?

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I thought my point would be fairly obvious to anyone that has obtained a high school education, but allow me to elaborate.

When you pull statistics out of your butt, nobody is going to take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by Cid_Grim

I thought my point would be fairly obvious to anyone that has obtained a high school education, but allow me to elaborate.

When you pull statistics out of your butt, nobody is going to take you seriously.

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Well I suggest you get right on that high school education then because not only didn't I offer any statistics, speculations or estimations, the OP did, however most replied disdainfully and rudely. While your elaboration was meant to belittle and insult it fell short of the mark and showed only your inability to communicate on a social level. The OP deserves to be able to create a thread and have people respond appropriately, not have people take an obviously aggressive stance that they wouldn't dare to do face to face.

I won't be like everyone else and ignore the fact that OP clearly stated those percentages he used were of his opinion. Idk, maybe people see the % sign and just auto-assume those numbers derived from truth? No one can have an opinion on the forums?

Well, my opinion is that the PvP percentage you observe, is not what I observe. I don't know if it's because of smaller match sizing or what, but I DF into a lvl 50 PvP alone and have a match in 3-5 minutes as a DPS. I sure wish I could say the same when I use DR for a high-level dungeon. But...

this is just MY experience....

Felt like that needed to be emphasized...

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

People who are intimidated by more than rudimentary English often hide behind the word verbose.

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Just to throw this out there...

Expansive verbiage in place of an acceptable use of the common vernacular does not in truth provide evidence to the writers intelligence or exactitude in language, but is typically the refuge of the dullard how has apprised themselves of the ownership of a thesaurus.

In short...
"The soul of wit is brevity"

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

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It's interesting because the interpretation required for Cid_Grim's post is actually from kintergarden or earlier.

It's incredibly obvious that the "you" he used isn't YOU, but it's actually a placeholder for "anyone".

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

To opine using statistics and estimations in the forum precludes the possibility of intelligent conversation is ridiculous, to reason abstractly is fluid intelligence and deals with complex information such as statistical possibilities. It's a higher reasoning function.

And no, the developers do not have an obligation to listen to us, but if they are wise they will consider what we have to say, the future of the game depends upon keeping the player base happy.

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I assume that thesaurus rape had something to do with the way I worded that post...i didn't think it was any sort of advanced in sentence structure.

But any English professor would have definitely ripped that sentence to shreds. It took me so long to comprehend its direction that I still haven't finished reading it yet. It almost doesn't make sense.


But since it's become somewhat of a funny joke in this thread now...masterful use of a large vocabulary actually reduces the amount of words it takes to covey a point. Not increase.



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And this thread still is stupid because of asspull statistics.

Smashington,

I think there are too many variables to consider here. For example, with PvP and housing they may indeed have put forth considerable resources toward something that not many people are yet using. However, all that work has established a foundation and I think many more people will participate in them as time goes on.

With housing, they've designed mechanics that will be used in individual housing (and more people will use FC housing as they save up money/prices are reduced.) The same has happened in PvP, they now have the mechanics in place for Frontlines and whatever other PvP activities they choose to add later, which will certainly draw in more players. So at this time it might not seem like the effort is worth it, I think the future will change that.

I love your attempts at verbosity, they are very funny. I do not use, or need a thesaurus to write on these forums, people write and spell with little thought to being correct but with the intention to inflict wounds, bully and intimidate people. Which is what I wanted to make people aware of, and look how I succeeded.

Edellis, I could have said, "say," instead of opine, to be honest I like the word opine it sounds so much more weighty than say, say, the rest of the sentence is pretty solid however and refers to newer theory of cognitive psychology, I assume the people I am communicating with have a brain, is this wrong?

Cotti, You are so sweet, like a big cute puppy, pats on head.

Pandastirfry, Yes you most certainly did throw it out there didn't you, a most impressive adoption of misused Verboseness, to be more effective the words have not only to flow but also to make sense.

Your turn :D

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

Smashington,

I think there are too many variables to consider here. For example, with PvP and housing they may indeed have put forth considerable resources toward something that not many people are yet using. However, all that work has established a foundation and I think many more people will participate in them as time goes on.

With housing, they've designed mechanics that will be used in individual housing (and more people will use FC housing as they save up money/prices are reduced.) The same has happened in PvP, they now have the mechanics in place for Frontlines and whatever other PvP activities they choose to add later, which will certainly draw in more players. So at this time it might not seem like the effort is worth it, I think the future will change that.

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Thank you for bringing the thread back on track ;)

The reason devs allocate resources to things players aren't doing is, to get players to do those things. Not enough people PVP, so allocate a lot of resources to make it better. Now more people will want to do it. People seem content with PVE already so they can take a breather to make-better the things that need work. Like housing. Housing needs work.... PVP needs work. Crafting needs some love, but it's overall complete. PVP is very incomplete, and very unbalanced, and mostly poor. It's not that it's bad, it's that it's not good when compared to other games. Like SWTOR, or WoW. 4v4 in 1 arena gets old pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by Shadex

Like Square's housing prices.

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LMAO. THanks for that, hahahaha. Liked.

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

I assume the people I am communicating with have a brain, is this wrong?

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Oh, they have a brain. They just decide not to use it. Like a bunch of trained sheep.

Personally, I can't see how so many people refused to see what the OP wanted and just completely focused on his statistics that he said was his alone and asked for other peoples ideas.

Apparently reading comprehension isn't high on a lot of schools priority lists nowadays. OH well! You are just wasting your time scamperoo. :p Trust me on this.