I can't decide what rings to use for SCH (need inpu)

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2367076/

As you can tell with my SS I have an Astral Ring with 5 mend materia
Vit+8, Crit rate +12, Piety +4
and a hero ring

I believe if I swap out my Astral ring I gain about 4 mind? n some other stats ( I am bad with numbers) but I am not sure if losing all the other stuff like the crit n vit is worth it over 4 mind?

I recently got Garuda's EX ring of healing which is BiS for white mage( I believe)
http://xivdb.com/?item/4399/Vortex-Ring-of-Healing

I would love some imput! Thanks.

You really want the myth ring as SCH. I think the best in slot for the other ring is the vortex ring

This has been discussed in other posts. Theres alot of battle there, some ppl go full crit using ilv 70/80 gear and some use only ilv90 gear(more MIND).

I second the second post but I refuse to quote it or call that a name.

I personally advocate Hero ring and Allagan ring for best in slot. If you have the choice, you should only keep wearing Astral Ring if you do not have "enough" left side i90 (and consequently, VIT) for Turn 5 of Coil. Don't understand all the hype for Vortex Ring to be honest.

Myth Ring + Vortex Ring is the way to go.....don't be like many of us that fall in the "zomg crit" trap. I love crit more than I care to say BUT, its not worth losing our main stat, mnd, over. Although we tend to forget that too often ><

Not to hijack the topic but is the vortex ring favored over the allagan ring because it doesn't give piety but rather gives more det and spell speed?

Astral ring for deeps in T4 and T5. Miasma those dreads!

I see many of us are conflicted on this ahah

I use Hero's and Allagan's. Use Vortex in place of Allagan's if you want Spell Speed over Piety. It's going to depend on what you want. I personally find Spell Speed to be a trash stat so I don't care too much.

if the Vortex Ring of Healing ever dropped from Garuda, I'd pick it up, but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over not having it.

I am on the Hero's and Allagan as BIS team. Because we stack crit everywhere else the Spell Speed on the vortex will not do much (if anything) for you.

I personally go Astral because I really like adding Vit, it helps a ton. Plus you can meld in a bunch of crit, although it takes a bit of cash. We sort of got shafted with healing jewelry, and even CT gear. It all seems to have Spell Speed and no crit.

I don't have the Allagan ring yet.

Heros ring is BiS but the other ring is up in the air.

If you need Vit then go with 8 vit melded Astral ring(preferably penta melded). If your good on VIT but need some PIE and some added healing that go with Allagan. Don't need either and just want better heals over time go with Vortex. All 3 are solid choices and offer something the other doesn't. Can't really go wrong with any of them.

Hero's Ring of healing
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Allagan Ring of Healing /
Astral Ring w/ Crit+12, Vit+8, Pie+6

Vortex ring is trash. I would NEVER pick Spell speed over Piety.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

I would NEVER pick Spell speed piety over Piety spell speed.

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Yeah, I agree.

firstly, all three will suffice and will give you some sort of benefit albeit not always the best benefit for your job!

as a SCH you can play around with each of the three rings depending on what you want to spec towards for a fight vit, pie, det, as for me imo the allagan ring is not good on a SCH, the last thing we need is pie, our highest valued secondary stats are Crit and Det, never pie.

Hero's + allagan : 26 mind/ 20 pie/ 16 crit/ 8 det

Hero's + Ruda: 26 mind/ 8 pie/ 16 crit/ 11 det/ 11 SS

in this setup I have to say the ruda ring is the better, think of it this way you are losing a some pie (which you don't even need) and gaining a whole new stat in spell speed, also not big on a sch but any help to faster heals is a good thing! Plus you are adding more determination which also help our heals, while at the same time getting a moderate pie boost from your hero's ring alone. tbh there is no coil acc as of 2.1 that I feel is better for a SCH if its not myth or EX primal then go with crafted a prioritize the spec you want!

as a healer our priority is to have better heals! the hero's and ruda combo would be the ideal choice to "have better heals"

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Originally Posted by Ymbryne

if the Vortex Ring of Healing ever dropped from Garuda, I'd pick it up, but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over not having it.

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I'm beginning to think the Allagan Ring is a figment of someone's imagination: my group hasn't seen it yet. I got the Vortex ring on my 2nd or 3rd Garuda Ex clear, though, so I'm using that for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b

last thing we need is pie, our highest valued secondary stats are Crit and Det, never pie.

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The thing is, PIE is a primary stat, not a secondary. As such, it is it worth more, because it has a more direct effect on your overall stats. An extra 3 Determination will not even increase your heals by 1HP according to the formulas I've seen.

Your heals, no, but your fairy heals, yes.

Ratio is just not the same at all, people should be aware of this

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

The thing is, PIE is a primary stat, not a secondary. As such, it is it worth more, because it has a more direct effect on your overall stats. An extra 3 Determination will not even increase your heals by 1HP according to the formulas I've seen.

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yes pie is a main stat but it does not effect you overall stats aside from MP, fact is pie does not increase your healing at all (It increase's the amount of spells you can cast) and Det does, every little bit of hp healed can be the difference between a wipe and saving a player that's about to die! The secondary ring slot is meant to be a spec slot so that the player can choose what stats they wish to focus for a fight over another, as a SCH there is no fight atm that is so healing intensive as to push us to the brink of MP and necessitate us to spec towards pie. as for formula's most of them are wrong but what is certain about pie and det is: pie will increase max mp (and mp restoration in result) and det will increase healing potential.

no need to take a stat that doesn't boost healing at all as a healer over a stat that increase's healing by any amount, main or not.

The thing about pie is you only need it....if you need it. It's an endurance stat, even WHM ends up with enough of it that losing some for the Vortex ring is no big deal.
But yeah, it doesn't make much difference allagan vs. garuda. You just need the i90 so use whatever you have.

Vortex has the added benefit that you can farm for it in a small loot table.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

The thing is, PIE is a primary stat, not a secondary. As such, it is it worth more, because it has a more direct effect on your overall stats. An extra 3 Determination will not even increase your heals by 1HP according to the formulas I've seen.

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As everyone else has stated, as much visible benefit PIE gives an SCH, in reality it's actually pretty useless. I've never been in a fight thus far (even coil) where I've had to freak out about not enough MP to clear content. Aetherflow + energy drain and enough to ensure that I can get through the most MP intensive content. However, the truth is that I've never ever dipped that low without the fight being a wipe anyway. For my mp to dip low enough for it to be a concern, people had to be dying left and right and dps taking a ton of avoidable damage. This only happens in PUGs for me and in most cases, my mp is never a concern. The extra PIE would go wasted on most competent SCHs with good groups behind them.

Det and spell speed on the other hand, might not affect us directly but they do affect our fairies a little bit. Our fairies stats are based on our own stats so any increment to our stats increases theirs. I would stack spell speed after both crit and det and before PIE mainly because at the very least, it means our fairies can pull off heals a bit faster too.

I'm curious, what's everybody's thoughts on the Vortex Ring of Fending as BiS for Scholar? Some people I know were discussing this and at first I wasn"t convinced since it lacks mind an ss/piety, but after seeing some of the math it might be worth considering. The fending ring has 15Vit (about 200HP), 11CritC (around 1% gain) and 11 Det all of which are pretty useful gains for a Scholar. For the stats we lose the greatest loss comes from the 13mind which equates to about 20hp on every physick (15 for embrace). Spellspeed is absolutely pointless because it has pretty abysmal scaling and if you're using all the other BiS you'll only have 15SS from boots (26 with Vortex of Healing) so with the secondary stat that low it will have almost zero noticeable effect on scholars. Piety is useful but feels more like quality insurance than a necessity for scholars that manage their aether, don't spam adlo an micro their pets' heals.

TLDR; Is the loss of about 35hp restore on physick/embrace worth 200HP, 1% crit and 11 Det? Cause I'm kinda leaning towards the fending ring.

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Originally Posted by Manuka

TLDR; Is the loss of about 35hp restore on physick/embrace worth 200HP, 1% crit and 11 Det? Cause I'm kinda leaning towards the fending ring.

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My personal opinion on this is that if you need the HP, it's worth it. However, I don't think it comes into the BiS equation as it's not the Best in Slot (the Bests will all maximize MND as this is the stat that increases heal potency). It's merely another option you have to help compensate for deficiencies elsewhere (apparently if you can afford an Astral Ring with even just a single Vitality IV or 2 Vitality IIIs, that is the better option as far as MND goes).

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

I would stack spell speed after both crit and det and before PIE mainly because at the very least, it means our fairies can pull off heals a bit faster too.

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I think PIE is a bit underrated, but it's not as if we know everything about stat influences at this point in the game, anyway. Based on a cursory examination of screenshots of my stats (so scientific lol), PIE appears to have some effect on Spell Speed, but I could be totally wrong on this. Bah, let me go re-spec and take a look. Will edit soon. EDIT: Yep, I'm an idiot, no change. But I still think PIE is underrated. >.>

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Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros

Take this on consideration, crit will give u double shield effect with galvanize but determination will guve u more healing potency i belive, u will want all the mind u can so the myth accesories are great for sch

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Well, yes. But you have 2 ring slots and you can only equip one Hero's Ring of Healing. This whole thread is about what to put in that 2nd slot.

Take this on consideration, crit will give u double shield effect with galvanize but determination will guve u more healing potency i belive, u will want all the mind u can so the myth accesories are great for sch

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Originally Posted by Hitome

Yeah, I agree.

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Well, fine then. As a WHM, I'll take that piety and any more you can give. Thanks in advance!

11 spell speed out of context will knock off about .02 seconds from yours/fairy's (re)cast time. That's practically nothing. The extra 3 det? Also pointless. 12 PIE? Close to 100 MP, which also translates to ~+20 Aetherflow. Huge? Not really. I'd argue moreso than knocking off a hundredth of a second and half a point of MND worth of Det, but it doesn't really matter.

That's not to say spell speed for fairy is a stupid idea. You can actually make a spell speed build for just for Eos, summon her, and switch back to your (crit or det) focus build. Since Eos's stats will only be recalculated on a resummon or when using Fey Covenant. But just 1 piece? Pointless.

If you're even considering Fending ring for BiS, I don't know what to tell you.

I feel like there is no real right answer for this. I feel like the astral ring is middle ground for 2nd ring. ( I will prob end up using it for the hp at least) until I get
Allagan Tunic Of Healing over vanya, with full mend crit.

I feel like the Allagan ring of healing is a myth.

Don't get me wrong I love crit, but I also love more mind.

Even though crit gives such a huge benefit it also depends on chance for that crit heal to go off and how often Adloquium is used. I personally use it in a 1 to 3 ratio unless its a critical moment when huge damage is incoming and I need to negate as much as possible with soil, eye for eye etc etc.

The reason there is a conflict of opinions (other than because these are forums) is due to the fact that the stat difference is trivial at most.

Take your rings off and wear a bikini, that's what I suggest. Do this for a while and you'll realise that gear means very little when compared with ability. This ring choice means as much to an encounter as your hair colour.

Pretty much. Doing the math I found a MAX Crit build would theoretically provide the best Heal ratio. (20% Crit is pretty nice), but that requires T5 and you'll be using some expensive overmelded gear as well. My personal favorite BiS is the i90 full crit build, and that's what I'm sticking with. All other builds are equally viable, and really just boil down to what you want to do. the 5% crit over ~20 per heal from my crit build is valuable to me, but if 9% crit and 1k normal heals are enough for you then by all means go with it.

the only stats I consider really worthless are SS, and even that doesn't suck once you've got enough of it.

RE: "PIE is useless"

My gear: 391 PIE
Allagan Grimoire of Healing
Argute head/body/legs/feet
Royal Gloves (Allagan gloves don't exist)
Hero's belt/neck/ear/wrist/ring
Allagan ring

With this gear I have 898 Aetherflow (solo) and 89mp/tic regen in combat, 4490 max MP
Dropping the Allagan ring I have 879 Aetherflow and 87 mp/tic, 4399 max MP.

Assuming an approximately 5 minute fight (5 minutes of MP regen, 5 Aetherflows), dropping the 12 PIE from Allagan ring is a net loss of ~295 MP (possibly slightly more since I don't know if PIE party bonus improves MP regen, and it does improve Aetherflow slightly). Not a huge amount, almost 1 Adlo.

Aside: 243PIE naked, 673 Aetherflow, 63mp/tic, 3369 max MP

Edit: Forgot to list max MP values.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

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So would the vortex of healing be good enough until I manage to get enough myth pieces to do coil 4? Cause the main reason I wanted to pick fending was to cheese for the vit while still getting stats that are useful to me like Calya mentioned. Because I'm nowhere near doing turn 4 where the allagan ring drops for us and on my server the cost for the crafted ring + materia is about 150-200k gil, which is pretty steep for me since I just reached endgame not too long ago.

You're better off crafting the Astral/Rose Gold stuff if you need the VIT. Don't gimp your primary stat (MND) just to artificially raise your HP level.